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Dead 06-26-2018 06:05 PM

Do we still smash hard drives with hammers?
 
I've entered my information in over a hundred boxes......got me thinking? Anyone can revive these old drives and wreak havoc on all past information, so do you kill old boxes or just stack them in the garage like gladiator weapons like i do?

Goethe 06-26-2018 06:07 PM

smash 'n' burn

PornDiscounts-V 06-26-2018 06:08 PM

Run a good wiper. Donate. I usually donate or sell on Craiglist if it's worth my time. As a full system.

Dead 06-26-2018 06:09 PM

Well hundreds was a bit of a stretch....more like 25 i can count, still scary as fuck

Dead 06-26-2018 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-V (Post 22294486)
Run a good wiper. Donate. I usually donate or sell on Craiglist if it's worth my time. As a full system.

Thing is I usually hand me down the good ones,...still auto fill is a complete info locker that can not be fuked unless its a full re-install. Just got me thinking of the next wave of identity theft, shits going to be real!

GFED 06-26-2018 06:14 PM

Disassemble the drives and separate the platters to dispose of in different locations.

onwebcam 06-26-2018 06:16 PM

Just asked Hillary, she said bleachbit and then smash..

Dead 06-26-2018 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GFED (Post 22294493)
Disassemble the drives and separate the platters to dispose of in different locations.

That bit made me chuckle
,. it almost like hiding a dead body:1orglaugh

GFED 06-26-2018 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead (Post 22294495)
That bit made me chuckle
,. it almost like hiding a dead body:1orglaugh

Exactly. :thumbsup

Bladewire 06-26-2018 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GFED (Post 22294497)
Exactly. :thumbsup

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

kane 06-26-2018 06:27 PM

I do. A handful of years ago I had my identity stolen. Since then I have paid more attention to some things. Hard drives are double checked to make sure there is nothing on them I need and haven't backed up then I smash them. My brother's job has one of those machines that shreds metal so when I get a bucket of smashed hard drives I take it there and have the machine shred it all into little bits.

Dead 06-26-2018 06:30 PM

Right on, Fed Shred, i saw this place when i was picking up stones the other weekend

Dead 06-26-2018 06:34 PM

One step furthur....my son will get search results from amazon recommendations based on hardware i was searching? Fukin insane ...yes we have sent him gifts, but have never coupoled our accounts.

directfiesta 06-26-2018 06:40 PM

Dban will do the job ...

bronco67 06-26-2018 07:22 PM

Only if that hard drive had really pissed me off.

bronco67 06-26-2018 07:32 PM

Have you ever seen what actually goes on inside a mechanical hard drive to meticulously grab data at mind-blowing speeds? It's amazing they work longer than 10 seconds without flying apart. We can make hard drives that are pretty reliable but the printers are still a pain in the ass.

RyuLion 06-26-2018 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GFED (Post 22294493)
Disassemble the drives and separate the platters to dispose of in different locations.

yeah, you can definitely get at least beer $$ with recycling..:2 cents: :)

Mr Pheer 06-26-2018 07:53 PM

Oxy/Acetylene torch or my favorite way, target practice for your .308 (or higher caliber) sniper rifle

rowan 06-26-2018 09:29 PM

Do it Mr. Robot style, drill through the top of the HD then stick your RAM chips in the microwave!

I don't usually go that far.

For a standard mechanical drive, a single pass zero fill is usually sufficient.

For SSD (including mechanical drives with onboard SSD cache) it gets a whole lot more complicated, because what your computer sees versus what is stored in the flash memory can be quite different:

- Controller chips use fancy wear levelling algorithms that spread writes evenly over the flash, so two writes to sector #1234 could be stored at two different points within the flash memory.
- A zero fill is not sufficient because the controller chip will be smart enough to compress that, and it will leave the large majority of the sectors intact internally.
- The SATA standard has a special "secure erase" command, which is supposed to clear absolutely everything. Some SSD firmware messes this up, not erasing everything, so it appears to be a zero filled drive even though the data is intact.
- Truly random data cannot be compressed (since it's random) so an overwrite with random data should clear every sector. But for mech+SSD drives there's no guarantee that data will ever be written to the cache SSD, so there could still be remnants of the original data sitting in that flash memory.

And what happens if you don't have physical access to the drives? ALWAYS do a random data fill when you leave a web host...

$5 submissions 06-26-2018 09:38 PM

Use powerful magnets

Any tips on SSD Drives?

rowan 06-26-2018 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by $5 submissions (Post 22294568)
Any tips on SSD Drives?

See above. Overwrite with random data should do the trick in most case. Do not rely on secure erase.

Obviously if the data is important enough then you need to physically destroy the drive (after overwriting it...)

Mr Pheer 06-26-2018 10:47 PM


Phoenix 06-27-2018 12:25 AM

just put a spike through them or a pick axe

adultchatpay 06-27-2018 12:51 AM

pour gasoline and let it burn!!!

Paul&John 06-27-2018 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 22294577)

badass...

CurrentlySober 06-27-2018 01:38 AM

Do a poo on them :2 cents:


This wont protect any data from being stolen or recovered, but would make them a lot more attractive to me!

geirlur 06-27-2018 03:40 AM

I threw my last one in a waterfall

Tim 06-27-2018 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 22294606)
Do a poo on them :2 cents:


This wont protect any data from being stolen or recovered, but would make them a lot more attractive to me!

I admire your consistency, so to speak.

OldJeff 06-27-2018 04:27 AM

I drill holes

Dead 06-27-2018 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul&John (Post 22294595)
badass...

That should do just fine:thumbsup

Dead 06-27-2018 04:43 AM

I wonder if a small EMP device like this could wipe a bunch of them at one time?
https://hackaday.com/2016/10/12/beco...emp-generator/

Dead 06-27-2018 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan (Post 22294567)
Do it Mr. Robot style, drill through the top of the HD then stick your RAM chips in the microwave!

I don't usually go that far.

For a standard mechanical drive, a single pass zero fill is usually sufficient.

For SSD (including mechanical drives with onboard SSD cache) it gets a whole lot more complicated, because what your computer sees versus what is stored in the flash memory can be quite different:

- Controller chips use fancy wear levelling algorithms that spread writes evenly over the flash, so two writes to sector #1234 could be stored at two different points within the flash memory.
- A zero fill is not sufficient because the controller chip will be smart enough to compress that, and it will leave the large majority of the sectors intact internally.
- The SATA standard has a special "secure erase" command, which is supposed to clear absolutely everything. Some SSD firmware messes this up, not erasing everything, so it appears to be a zero filled drive even though the data is intact.
- Truly random data cannot be compressed (since it's random) so an overwrite with random data should clear every sector. But for mech+SSD drives there's no guarantee that data will ever be written to the cache SSD, so there could still be remnants of the original data sitting in that flash memory.

And what happens if you don't have physical access to the drives? ALWAYS do a random data fill when you leave a web host...

Great info in there for the one powered box, but I am better at smashing or shooting like mentioned above :BangBang:

Look Chang 06-27-2018 05:23 AM

Drill a few holes in the box and immerge it in liquid toilet cleaner for 30 minutes, job done. :stoned

SpicyM 06-27-2018 07:22 AM

If you have SSD, encrypt the whole drive with VeraCrypt. Then in case you want to replace the drive, you just need to format or wipe the drive, ideally with the tools provided by each manufacturer - those always contain Secure Erase function. It takes seconds.

For HDDs, rewriting with Dban is the best option, though it can take hours or even days for large drives.

Rochard 06-27-2018 07:49 AM

I used to....I used to pull the drives out and physically snatch them with a hammer. Now I just uninstall certain programs and then wipe the drive clean.

thirdworldxxx 06-27-2018 12:08 PM

https://media.giphy.com/media/HhTXt43pk1I1W/200.gif

tobedeleted 06-27-2018 02:21 PM

I mounted mine to a tree and we used it for target practice with a .45. Seemed to do the trick, and was fun.

Klen 06-27-2018 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead (Post 22294495)
That bit made me chuckle
,. it almost like hiding a dead body:1orglaugh

I actually do this sometime for fun :upsidedow

Cyber Fucker 06-27-2018 02:54 PM

drill and acid bath

Dead 06-27-2018 05:25 PM

should have made this a poll, but as it stands the hammer(and drill and gun and shredder all of which are tried and true) is mightier then the erase programs. And bonus fun smashing shit! Thanks :thumbsup

dillfly2000 06-27-2018 06:38 PM

I yell at them

rowan 06-27-2018 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 22294704)
[...]you just need to format or wipe the drive, ideally with the tools provided by each manufacturer - those always contain Secure Erase function. It takes seconds.

Don't rely on secure erase. It often does not work.

OneHungLo 06-27-2018 11:35 PM

I take mine out with me when i go fishing and dump them in the lake.

ErectMedia 06-28-2018 12:10 AM

I've got 2 old ones saved. Haven't destroyed them yet but someday I will. :2 cents:

SpicyM 06-28-2018 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan (Post 22295101)
Don't rely on secure erase. It often does not work.

That's why I said to first encrypt the drive.. read again.

If it's encrypted, all you need to do is simply reset the drive / delete the partition which is fast.

captain.g 06-28-2018 09:47 AM

I save them and when I have a few dead ones I melt them with thermite after shooting them.

ruff 06-28-2018 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sincats (Post 22294920)
I mounted mine to a tree and we used it for target practice with a .45. Seemed to do the trick, and was fun.


Another tree. Dead.

PR_Glen 06-28-2018 12:04 PM

hammers are a good way to hurt yourself with debris or with the hammer itself...

a few holes with a drill takes like 10 seconds and makes the whole thing worthless. Just not as dramatic so not as popular.

Klen 06-28-2018 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan (Post 22295101)
Don't rely on secure erase. It often does not work.

There is program called "DBAN", which is best program for secure delete, but safest method is also slow as fuck. It's been a years since i used it, and then hard drive sizes was much smaller so i guess now using deepest method could take even longer. Tho, once i tried program which coming with linux, which basicly is "filling hard drive sectors with zeroes", took 1 days to finish 1 tb drive, and after i tested it with undelete program nothing was found on it, not a single file and it was full before.

SpicyM 06-28-2018 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 22295463)
There is program called "DBAN", which is best program for secure delete, but safest method is also slow as fuck. It's been a years since i used it, and then hard drive sizes was much smaller so i guess now using deepest method could take even longer. Tho, once i tried program which coming with linux, which basicly is "filling hard drive sectors with zeroes", took 1 days to finish 1 tb drive, and after i tested it with undelete program nothing was found on it, not a single file and it was full before.

Dban is for HDDs, not SSDs. Since SSDs use a different technology for writing data (it writes to a new block each time), it can keep some data on the disk even if you fully rewrite it.

Secure Erase is officially supported by manufacturers and works most of the time since it resets the memory and takes seconds. No reason to spend hours filling SSD with zeroes.

If you encrypt your SSD, all you need to do is perform Secure Erase (ideally) or at least remove the partition. If there was still someone to retrieve the data, he would have to guess the password, which should be over 20 characters long (recommended by VeraCrypt).


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