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slapass 10-21-2018 09:38 AM

Selling my last house bought in the crisis
 
Bought 15 houses during the crisis in 2008. Flipped about 15 more. Bought some lots and a bed and breakfast. Lost on the BnB only. Yeah stay away from dumb stuff lol. The land doubled and the last house is going for more than triple. Pretty amazing way to get out of adult. The last few houses sold within hours and this one has had one showing in three days. Oops. Let’s hope the last one goes.

Pretty fun ride though. Totally curious if we are topping or I am early or if it just keeps going.

pimpmaster9000 10-21-2018 09:42 AM

taking profits is never a mistake...100$ safe dollars are worth more than 200 unsafe ones :2 cents:

Sly 10-21-2018 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22353355)
taking profits is never a mistake...100$ safe dollars are worth more than 200 unsafe ones :2 cents:

A bird in the hand...

Bladewire 10-21-2018 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 22353353)
Pretty fun ride though. Totally curious if we are topping or I am early or if it just keeps going.

U.S. Recession Chances in Next Two Years Top 60%, JPMorgan Says - Bloomberg

80% chance by 2021 they say

28% chance it will happen in the next year

OneHungLo 10-21-2018 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22353365)
U.S. Recession Chances in Next Two Years Top 60%, JPMorgan Says - Bloomberg

80% chance by 2021 they say

28% chance it will happen in the next year

The article says 14.5 percent chance of a recession a year from now and a 50-50 in 2 years. Do you ever not lie? Look, we know you want the economy to crash because you don't own a damn thing - no house , no stocks, zero investments, but come on dude just stop lying.

Bladewire 10-21-2018 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22353380)
The article says 14.5 percent chance of a recession a year from now and a 50-50 in 2 years. Do you ever not lie? Look, we know you want the economy to crash because you don't own a damn thing - no house , no stocks, zero investments, but come on dude just stop lying.

From the second paragraph in the article

"The probability of a U.S. recession within one year is almost 28 percent, and rises to more than 60 percent over the next two years"

"Over the next three years, the odds are higher than 80 percent, according to the note."

dyna mo 10-21-2018 10:48 AM

home prices have grown, what, ~3.5% per year since 2008.......

Rochard 10-21-2018 10:54 AM

We spent $600k on a model home just before everything crashed. We still owe more on our house than it's worth.

Luckily we love our house - this is our "forever" house. It was much more than we needed for the three of us, and now it's just the two of us. We will hold onto this house until we are unable to climb the stairs.

slapass 10-21-2018 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22353398)
home prices have grown, what, ~3.5% per year since 2008.......

51k to 165k 12/2007 to let’s say 12/2018. Rented for $1200/ month which I took home about $600/month after expenses.

300% increase in value. With 14% annual cash return waiting to get there. Being the last one, this has the largest gain. I started selling when prices doubled. Stock market probably did close to this. Not saying I picked the absolute best vehicle but I did take adsvsntsge of the downturn.

RedFred 10-21-2018 11:55 AM

Good timing. The market is already starting to decline nationwide.

#ThanksTrump!

dyna mo 10-21-2018 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 22353412)
51k to 165k 12/2007 to let’s say 12/2018. Rented for $1200/ month which I took home about $600/month after expenses.

300% increase in value. With 14% annual cash return waiting to get there. Being the last one, this has the largest gain. I started selling when prices doubled. Stock market probably did close to this. Not saying I picked the absolute best vehicle but I did take adsvsntsge of the downturn.

right on, not criticizing at all, I couldn't do what you did, manage all those properties. As I understand it, housing gains over the last ~10 years have been 30%, with the average holding period being ~ 8 years thus the ~3.5% annual growth. I know here in Los Angeles we've only had ~ 50% gain. except in luxury homes, which never really went down in price here anyway.

but certainly, congrats. I don't have experience flipping homes so I can't really say when's the right time to get out, other than before the crash.

slapass 10-21-2018 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22353424)
right on, not criticizing at all, I couldn't do what you did, manage all those properties. As I understand it, housing gains over the last ~10 years have been 30%, with the average holding period being ~ 8 years thus the ~3.5% annual growth. I know here in Los Angeles we've only had ~ 50% gain. except in luxury homes, which never really went down in price here anyway.

but certainly, congrats. I don't have experience flipping homes so I can't really say when's the right time to get out, other than before the crash.

Minneapolis has gone 160k to 260k on average from 2009 to now. I am old enough to remember the crash in the 80’s so I knew low price houses have bigger swings.

I am not sure we are going to see big appreciation going forward in that are population has topped out here.

crockett 10-21-2018 02:40 PM

Get ready to buy again..

7k USD 10-21-2018 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapass (Post 22353412)
51k to 165k 12/2007 to let’s say 12/2018. Rented for $1200/ month which I took home about $600/month after expenses.

300% increase in value. With 14% annual cash return waiting to get there. Being the last one, this has the largest gain. I started selling when prices doubled. Stock market probably did close to this. Not saying I picked the absolute best vehicle but I did take adsvsntsge of the downturn.

so what's next for you, what are you going to invest in?

slapass 10-21-2018 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 7k USD (Post 22353463)
so what's next for you, what are you going to invest in?

I bought a bunch of apartments 3 years ago. I have been deleveraging them as we moved money around here. Trying to sell some of those too.

Cash is the answer. I think we see a pull back and being in a tougher part of town, we tend to get killed when everyone just pulls back or stalls.

Second plan is Brazil. Their crisis has shaved 40% off their prices. Then add in our strong dollar. So looking into some apartments in nice areas.

directfiesta 10-21-2018 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22353398)
home prices have grown, what, ~3.5% per year since 2008.......

2011:paid 170k ( 166k canadian)
2018 :325k (475k canadien) similar unit sale in building

Yep. 3.5%

dyna mo 10-21-2018 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 22353503)
2011:paid 170k ( 166k canadian)
2018 :325k (475k canadien) similar unit sale in building

Yep. 3.5%


prove it.

My numbers come straight from realtytrac

https://www.realtytrac.com/statsandt...closuretrends/

directfiesta 10-21-2018 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22353518)
prove it.

My numbers come straight from realtytrac

https://www.realtytrac.com/statsandt...closuretrends/

prove what .,.. That I own a 1200 sq 2bd/2bt condo in Pompano beach on the intracostal , 1000 feet from the beach ...

As Stickyfingerz to post his sale act ....

dyna mo 10-21-2018 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 22353503)
2011:paid 170k ( 166k canadian)
2018 :325k (475k canadien) similar unit sale in building

Yep. 3.5%

here's a graphic to help you. the average across these markets is 30%

the average hold period for these markets is 8 years


= 3.75% YoY

https://i.imgur.com/gzHWfT9.jpg

Any questions?

dyna mo 10-21-2018 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 22353520)
prove what .,.. That I own a 1200 sq 2bd/2bt condo in Pompano beach on the intracostal , 1000 feet from the beach ...

As Stickyfingerz to post his sale act ....

am I supposed to be impressed?

directfiesta 10-21-2018 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22353521)
here's a graphic to help you. the average across these markets is 30%

the average hold period for these markets is 8 years


= 3.75% YoY

https://i.imgur.com/gzHWfT9.jpg

Any questions?

Difference is I own a property, you don"t ....

Here , same unit ....

https://www.redfin.com/FL/Pompano-Be.../home/41527257

Nov 2013 : 296K
Oct 2018 : 380K ( seems I am too low ... )

Now from recession/crash :
April 2011 till Nov 2013 : easy 70 K

And I paid cheaper as the owner was going back north for ever ( Husband died ) and I paid CASH !!!!

I have other properties in Montreal as well, not as many as the housing mogul onehanglow .... and as you ....

Your country was bankrupted, pages and pages of bank owned properties, americans with no money and no mortgages ... why do you think it wazs CASH ...

dyna mo 10-21-2018 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 22353525)
Difference is I own a property, you don"t ....

..



dafuq you talking about? you think I don't own my homes?


:1orglaugh

jtfc this fucking place.

directfiesta 10-21-2018 05:44 PM

perfect example: Marty Kiar - Broward County Property Appraiser

smaller unit ( 1000 sf ) :

Date Type Price Book/Page or CIN
9/26/2018 WD-Q $315,000 115378014
10/26/2011 SWD-Q-DS $197,000 48276 / 706
8/30/2011 QCD-T $100 48276 / 705
7/20/2011 CET-D $124,400 48115 / 1086
9/23/2004 WD $298,000 38283 / 698

BTW, basements in mom's house don't count as " homes " :1orglaugh

directfiesta 10-21-2018 05:47 PM

BTW, I am selling it in april , as I don't feel at home anymore in Florida.

Looking at Guatemala ( lol ) : Apartamentos El Muelle - Monterrico Guatemala

already stated that before this thread :

https://gfy.com/22353159-post9.html

dyna mo 10-21-2018 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 22353529)


BTW, basements in mom's house don't count as " homes " :1orglaugh

what the fuck did i do to you? I'm in here casually talking about real estate, backed up with facts and you're attacking me.

what the fuck for? seriously what the fuck are you attacking me in here for?

dyna mo 10-21-2018 05:57 PM

so no reason why you're attacking me in this real estate thread.

got it.

this fucking shithole.

King Mark 10-21-2018 06:06 PM

Dyna... Stop being so sensitive.

OneHungLo 10-21-2018 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22353532)
what the fuck did i do to you? I'm in here casually talking about real estate, backed up with facts and you're attacking me.

what the fuck for? seriously what the fuck are you attacking me in here for?

Another gfy muslim. He's selling his property because some white guy pulled a gun on him.

slapass 10-21-2018 06:34 PM

The key to doing better would have been leverage. Say buy a house for 500k with 50k down. I could have done that 15 times and netted out way more in the long run. It was hard enough pulling the trigger for all cash. The rents were so high it seemed dumb not to. But if you guys remember, the market was not looking good.

slapass 10-21-2018 06:35 PM

And I lowered the sale price to reflect the more normal 3.5% or about 50% up compounded.

https://www.spice-indices.com/idpfil..._download=true

slapass 10-21-2018 06:41 PM

Case Shiller index says we are abóut 50% up from the lows. So a 3.5% seems about right. Weird how somes area don’t move. My downtown condo is up about 25% if that.

Forest 10-21-2018 07:11 PM

I just sold 3 houses I bought during the down turn. I have kept a few as they are good rental income. I think this is the peak and we will see a significant pull back in the market in the next 12-18 months.

slapass 10-21-2018 07:15 PM

They are building apartments here like crazy. It is a mini boom.


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