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sarettah 11-23-2018 06:33 PM
Federal Climate Report - Fake News?
 
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...climate-change

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More than 300 federal and nonfederal experts participated in creating the assessment, which is based on scientific research and on-the-ground discussions with those impacted by climate change.
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The Global Change Research Act of 1990 mandates that the federal government release a report about global warming and climate change every four years. This report, the Fourth National Climate Assessment (NCA4), is the latest fulfillment of that mandate. It is the counterpart to the Climate Science Special Report, which was released last year.
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The report states emphatically: Global warming exists and it is a threat to humankind's survival.

"Global average temperature has increased by about 1.8 [degrees] from 1901 to 2016, and observational evidence does not support any credible natural explanations for this amount of warming," the report reads. "Instead, the evidence consistently points to human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse or heat-trapping gases, as the dominant cause."

"The warming trend observed over the past century can only be explained by the effects that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, have had on the climate," the Fourth National Climate Assessment reads.
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GAMEFINEST 11-23-2018 06:37 PM
Fossil fuel is the future, for all of you and your lovely kids.

Good luck!

beerptrol 11-23-2018 06:37 PM
Chump says it's fake news, so his cultist believe him over facts. Northeast are seeing some cold temperatures so that backs up what he is saying in their eyes .

King Mark 11-23-2018 07:01 PM
https://imgur.com/UIHegfp

onwebcam 11-23-2018 07:56 PM
A group of people who live off tax money got together and came to the conclusion there needs to be more taxes? hmmmm. Surprising?

RedFred 11-23-2018 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22371502)
A group of people who live off tax money got together and came to the conclusion there needs to be more taxes? hmmmm. Surprising?
Yo momma lives off tax money and you live in the backroom of her trailer.

crockett 11-23-2018 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22371502)
A group of people who live off tax money got together and came to the conclusion there needs to be more taxes? hmmmm. Surprising?
You mean like all those Republicans who get paid to deny global warming?? Who is the magic boogeyman paying everyone to lie about Global Warming?

We can damn sure tell you who is paying Republicans to deny it.. Its Koch Brothers lobbyists, big oil, coal and all those big factories who pollute and dont want to be restricted or responsible for cleaning up their messes..


So tell us mr onewebcam.. who are these mysterious big spenders who are paying everyone to lie about GW?

Rochard 11-23-2018 09:32 PM
Fake news. Lock her up.

onwebcam 11-23-2018 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22371505)
Yo momma lives off tax money and you live in the backroom of her trailer.
My mom is a retired computer programmer analyst who went to school on a Al Gore scholarship.. She put solar panels on our house when you were still in diapers (even if you are older than me there's no doubt you probably still wear them) she got sold on his earlier scam "global cooling" I'm sure if I did some research I'd find that the Gore family was intimately involved in the solar business even way back when.

Those solar panels never paid for themselves.. They hadn't worked in decades and were eventually removed during a reroof and are now collecting dust in her garage.. I'm sure eventually I'll have to haul them to the dump where they belong

sarettah 11-23-2018 11:20 PM
There was a great interview in Mother Earth News back in 1976 describing what was then known about global cooling and global warming. The person being interviewed is Reid Bryson, who died back in 2008, and he describes the whole mess very well.

If you read it you will understand why they though they were seeing global cooling in the 70s and now the trend is global warming.

https://www.motherearthnews.com/natu...n-zmaz76mazraw

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Darn right. Which brings us to Step Three of the points you outlined a few minutes ago: Do you know of any logical reason for such a change to take place?

Oh yes. And so do you, because I've already given you that reason. Just think of the whole Northern Hemisphere as a gigantic heat engine that absorbs an excess of solar radiation in the tropics and a deficit of the same radiation in the Arctic. This difference sets up a circulation of the atmosphere which transports heat from the tropics to the polar region. Right? And as those masses of warmed air from the tropics move north, they radiate their heat energy out into space until—by the time they've reached the Arctic — they've cooled and begun to flow back to the tropics.

This is what the circulation of the atmosphere is all about. Transporting heat from the tropics to the polar regions and getting rid of it there. And if you pump enough particulate matter into the air to reduce the amount of sunlight that strikes the earth's surface in the first place or if you reduce the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere so that the heat energy which does get in can immediately radiate right back out into space, then you have less warmth to haul from the tropics to the polar regions. And, as we've already documented in the Northern Hemisphere, those polar regions — in this case, the Arctic — get colder.

Is this what's happening?

Yes and no. Actually the amounts of both particulate matter and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are increasing. It's just that the cooling effect caused by the first is increasing faster than the warming effect caused by the second. And, as a result, the Arctic has gotten colder.

Where does the particulate matter and the carbon dioxide come from?

Volcanoes used to be the primary source of particulate matter found in the atmosphere. When you go back over the last century and chart out the hemisphere's temperature, you find that periods of heavy volcanic eruption show up on the graph as cold times and stretches of quiet volcano activity are warmer. We've tabulated some 5,000 volcanic events and there's a very definite correlation. Massive eruptions during the 1880's, for instance, made the Northern Hemisphere colder. Then there was a quiet period and then, from about 1904 until 1920, a fair amount of activity. After that, volcanoes really died down until around 1955, then they tapered off again until — from 1963 on — we see a lot of eruptions. The important point is that, when you chart this activity out, you immediately notice that the hemisphere warms up during periods of few volcano eruptions and cools following heavy eruptions.

And that's all there is to it?

Oh no. A completely wild card got shuffled into the deck back about 1930 or so, when the Industrial Revolution became a worldwide phenomenon and we began spewing both man-created particulate matter and man-created carbon dioxide into the air at an increased rate. This new source of atmospheric pollutants really started to influence the earth's climate significantly around 1945.

Why then?

Because by 1945, as a by-product of the Industrial Revolution, we had learned to use antibiotics and pesticides. By 1945 we were beginning to control malaria on a massive scale and we were beginning to save tens of millions of other lives that ordinarily would have been lost to diseases and accidents. Thanks to antibiotics and pesticides, the planet's human population suddenly had a much higher survival rate without a corresponding reduction in its birth rate.

The Industrial Revolution, in effect, fed upon itself. It made it possible for many more of us to live and reproduce at the same time it allowed each of us to farm more marginal land, build and operate bigger machines, construct larger foundries and factories, and so on. All of this increased activity by a burgeoning population, for the first time, pumped tons upon tons of man-created particulate matter into the air. And that's a major reason why our climate began to cool around 1945, and has been cooling more or less ever since.

Well it's certainly obvious that, thanks to the Industrial Revolution, our consumption of fossil fuels has increased an incredible amount. And it's just as obvious that, as we burn that oil and coal and gas in our factories, we're spewing a great amount of both carbon dioxide and black glop into the air.

Yes. Thanks to today's environmental awareness, most of us now recognize at least part of what you've just pointed out. Dozens of scientific papers, in fact, have been published about industry's consumption of fossil fuels, its creation of carbon dioxide, and how the resultant "greenhouse effect" will cause a rise in the temperature of the atmosphere.

I find it interesting, however, that the same people who write those papers generally seem to overlook the even greater amounts of particulate matter which those same factories and foundries pump into the air. Not to mention the tremendous quantities of particulates now kicked into the atmosphere by poor farmers in primitive agricultural and marginal semi-arid regions all over the world.
Now, during the 70's there was also a tremendous effort to clean up the air. The smog around our major cities has pretty much disappeared in most places. This is less particulate matter going into the atmosphere so the cooling effect is nullified somewhat.

But we are still spewing all sorts of CO2 so now the warming effect takes precedent.

We know a lot more about climate science now then we did 40 years ago so while it was still being debated back then as to whether man had enough influence it has now been more or less determined to be fact.

The interview covers lots of ground and if you read it you will discover that he blames the situation more on over population rather than industry and he makes a good argument in that direction.

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AdultKing 11-23-2018 11:27 PM
Global warming will reach a tipping point at some stage and then it will be too late to address it. A runaway global warming event isn't pretty. Look at Venus.

crockett 11-24-2018 06:32 AM
Notice onwebcam cant answer my simple question.. because he knows my simple question makes him look like a idiot..

If all these scientist are getting paid to make up fake info on global warming which includes creating massive studies with lots of technical info that would be fucking impossible to fake with out others calling them on it...

Well who is paying these tens of thousands of scientic9to say these things?


Meanwhile on the nay sayers side its very easy to see who pays them.. They also never offer any scientific proof we are simple supposed to belive Republicans in Congress over science because "they say so"....


Onwebcam you fail at logic...and brains..


Meanwhile Trump's communications director is getting paid $7 million from Fox news while he hold his position at the WH...


https://thinkprogress.org/bill-shine...-e24734b145c0/


Yet none of this matters to onwebcam because... liberal baaaad..

Paul&John 11-24-2018 08:10 AM
There was a great Vice episode on climate change a few months ago, in case anyone is interested :)

King Mark 11-24-2018 08:37 AM
Vice is so fucking left it can seem like an act at times. But their documentaries are always amazing and they do seem to stick to facts.

King Mark 11-24-2018 08:54 AM
I'm mad I didn't realize my pic didn't post till now. What a fail.

VRPdommy 11-24-2018 11:43 AM
While most of you are arguing for finding political fault,
The fact is that it is warming. And that pace is not linear.
And it's not the temperature you need to worry about directly, but what that means to climate pattern change.

I would put more energy into hedging the ramifications of my home and biz.
You need to 'un-think' that safe secure feeling you have enjoyed for the most part.

You are unlikely to even slow the progression in your lifetime.

The first folks to tell you it's all but over will be the insurance co's.
You simply will not be able to afford the rates. If you live in a area they will still insure.
The banks will not likely lend money unless it can be insured. So good luck building anything new that is not much more expensive from requirements of more hardened building codes.
When this is happening, are you going to be concerned with the cause ?

Start thinking on how you are going to deal with the results. No matter the cause.

The area I have made home is likely to be much hotter and colder in the respective seasons and precip rivaling a rain forest. I figure this is safe until many are forced to flee here. Perhaps I will be dead before that happens, but I'm ready. Good luck where you are.


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