Real query: Is Trump imploding?
 

You know me - I'm respectful of differing opinions. I don't attack unless attacked. I'm sane, logical, and reasonable. Or at least I try to be.

But I said that the Trump presidency would be effectively over if the House was lost, which I thought would happen.

I said 36 seats gain by Democrats, it looks like the net gain is 40.

I can already tell Trump will not be removed; that's clear, though he may be impeached. But as I speculated, his presidency is on the rocks.

His statements about members of his cabinet and the recent actions seem, and I say this very cautiously, unhinged.

Tucker Carlson? That is a big one. What explains it?

I know on both sides you are filled with anger and distrust. But can you discuss without that? No personal attacks, etc?

Are we seeing "crazy like a fox" or are we seeing the decline of an American president?

I think we are seeing 2 straight years of the media, the Democrat opposition, and the establishment bureaucracy in Washington D.C. piling on with unrelenting attacks every day.

I'm pretty sure that no other President would have lasted through this.

I'm also of the opinion that Trump enjoys the battle. Far from being "unhinged" or even "crazy like a fox"...I think he's enjoying himself immensely as President.
In every live appearance he looks great and is constantly joking and cutting up and making the crowd laugh.

With the incredible GDP growth of the economy I think he is been very, very successful and accomplishing what he set out to do. The recent downturn in the stock market is mostly due to him standing up to China. Which is something that should have been done a long time ago.
When that dust clears, we should see another surge in both the economy and stocks.

Unless China "wins" the negotiations (which I don't think is going to happen), the economy is roaring like it hasn't in decades.

That's the way I see it. :)

I appreciate your opinion. So you are saying the apparent malaise is a construction of the media and other parties that have an interest in Trump's defeat?

I must tell you, it appears to be working so far where centrists are concerned. And what would you say explains Tucker Carlson's recent comments?

I disagree. I think he has fun at the rallies but, to me, he seems like he is miserable the rest of the time. When I see him doing a press conference he looks and acts like he would rather be anywhere but there. His meetings with other leaders tend to seem awkward (although those things can be that way in general) and he is constantly attacking people on Twitter.

In all honesty we have a hate troll as POTUS.

A day hasn't gone by where Trump hasn't hatefully attacked someone online. This isn't healthy and it isn't normal. It's getting worse.

I think Trump is extremely short sighted and this adds to his stress as he's putting out fires daily.

Trump seems to have never factored in being held accountable for his actions, this is adding to his stress.

Innocent people don't lash out and attack like Trump does. Trump knows the FBI can't publicly defend themselves on open investigations, which makes Trump's attacks on them all the more condemning.

Trump almost came unhinged at his last press conference with Jim Acosta. Trump was pacing back and forth, huffing & puffing, etc.

I think when Trump does come unhinged it will closely look like it did at his last press conference but worse, if we get to see it televised, which we likely won't.

Nope, his patience IS wearing thin though.. He's allowed you libs to have your cake.. I think he will be shoving it down your throat soon.

These aren't "attacks". The ONLY news coming out of the White House is bad news. It's constant. It's daily. Monday it was Trump announcing a deal with China that didn't exist, causing the stock market to drop like a rock. Today we are finding out Trump and his chief of staff are no longer on speaking terms. The negativity coming out of this White House is so bad and so constant that the Sarah Huckabee Sanders can no longer put any spin on it, so they stopped having press conferences.

Nothing has been accomplished other than pushing through a tax break for the rich that shot our deficit through the roof.

Didn't you tell us Trump was going to be good for America? Why is Trump giving billions in aid to farmers? Why are car companies closing plants? Why is North Korea building more missile sites? Why haven't we heard a report about progress in the middle east? Opioids? The VA computer system that has failed to pay our vets?

The only good news we have is the economy, which was handed to Trump.

I've noticed you have stopped posting. It's because there is no good news coming out of the White House. The first year you and the Republican base had hope, but now reality is settling in.

That's the impression I'm getting. But mostly his staff and the people around him. To Robbie's point, is this just because we're getting bad information?

Well, he is a person who is very proud of himself, and he sees himself being attacked. He may feel he needs to defend himself. Perhaps if he had proper support networks, but the lack of them is telling to me. Again I could be wrong.

Moving from him to the people around him, do you see confirmation of your ideas reflected in their behavior?

So you're saying that the issue is endemic to his presidency, rather than an effect of the newly empowered Democrats. If that is so, has it worsened recently? Has the House victory merely exposed what was already there?

But what does this mean? Are you suggesting he'll declare martial law? I know you don't literally mean what you said but tell us what you mean in plain language please.

Not to post too much in my own thread but the Tillerson exchange seems to be another example of this difficulty with advisers

I suppose it could just be bad information, but it seems like he is lashing out at everyone and constantly fighting with people. Maybe, like Robbie says, he enjoys it but I think he is angry and unhappy and I think it is only going to get worse.

I also think he is under incredible pressure. That job in general is impossible, his constant boasting makes his job (and those of his staff) even harder and I feel like after two years and not much to show for it, the things he likes about the job are now far outweighed by the things he hates.

Of course, this is all just speculation.

Exactly.

The first two years of Trump's term the Republicans were in charge. What did Trump accomplish? Not a god damn thing. Not a god damn single thing.

Republicans have a standard list of what Trump has accomplished. It's pure bullshit. "Trump put two Justices on the Supreme Court". This is not an accomplishment; It's a basic requirement - a seat on the Supreme Court opens up and you fill it. (And Trump filled it with the least popular candidate of all time too.)

Trump promised us he would make our country stronger. Instead, he's weakened it. He thinks spending more on our military has made us stronger. Our military isn't stronger because of a extra billion dollars. At the same time, Trump has weakened every military allegiance we have.

Trump's entire administration is taking credit for the economy when the reality is our economy is unchanged since he took office. Obama cut employment by half while Trump - who walked into office with a perfect economy - has barely cut it by half a percent in two years.

The ONLY news coming out of the White House on a daily basis is bad news while nothing gets done.

A few days ago Trump tweeted "I have a gut, and my gut tells me more sometimes than anybody else's brain can ever tell me."

Trump is emotionally unstable and follows his "gut" instead of sound advice.

So many of Trump's rats have jumped Trump's ship.

If you were Trump's advisor and you kept giving him great advice and he just followed his gut and did his own thing anyway fucking up the country you might be tempted to leave as well lol

Can we say delusional....

Trump has lived in a world where he could get away with anything he wanted by paying people off. He's a criminal who has done whatever he wainted his entire life using money to buy his way out..

His problem is is ego is the size of the titanic and just like the titanic snuck like a rock so is Trump. Trump has convinced himself he can do anything he wants as POTUS because he don't understand our laws or our ballence of powers.

He has gotten away with a bunch of shit because that check and ballenced is slow moving and he was helped by a do nothing Congress which conspired to allow him to continue to break Consitutional law after law and enabled him in obstruction of justice..

It's taken time, but justice will be served and Trump's day will come.. I think he actually believes he has a future past al this because he has convinced himself he can get away with anything.. His son's life is now fucked, Kushners life is now fucked his daughter's life may also be fucked.

One thing is certian.. Trump is fucked and he fucked everyone around him because of his ego..

This is all just the tip of the iceberg because they can also all be charged at the state levels for crimes Muller doesn't hit them on..

He's not released the FISA warrants because AU and UK have "begged" him not too for one.. Releasing those would show what anyone paying any attention already knows.. That those 2 countries along with the Obama Admin concocted this entire "Russia collusion" BS to sabotage him and propel Hillary into the Presidency.


Mueller is ending his "investigation" Dems will get nothing more than they already have..

I don't see the "malaise" that you are seeing. I see CNN and MSNBC hoping & wishing he was depressed and angry, etc. They say it all the time: "A source close to the President says he is angry and depressed"

I just don't believe that kind of crappy "reporting" of unnamed sources being able to read the mind of the President and tell us how he is thinking and feeling.

As for Tucker...I read what he actually said (the headline was that he "Ripped" Pres. Trump and called him "Not capable")...and what he actually said was that he didn't think Trump was "capable" of navigating the bureaucracy of Washington D.C. effectively.

I think that's a fair assessment. Trump doesn't have much patience for the bullshit backdoor thievery of Washington D.C. And that's part of why people voted for him in the first place.
Many of us are tired of the "business as usual" crap in Washington. We WANTED a Disruptor. Somebody to stop that nonsense.

Anyway, I can't even accurately tell you how my own wife is feeling from one minute to the next (and neither can any of us men)...so I don't put much credence in to media outlets that hate Trump (CNN) doing long distance "diagnosis" and claiming "unnamed sources" and telling us how Trump "feels".

I honestly think Trump is having the time of his life.
And I think that your question is just going to get the expected answers. People like me see it one way. The anti-Trump people will react to your question negatively towards the President.

So don't expect any anti-Trump people to jump to his defense. Or any pro-Trump people to degrade him. :pimp

Trump is a dirty little fuck, plain and simple. He screwed people at every opportunity. He got away with it because he was a rich businessman and had attorneys like Cohen. Want to sue Trump? No problem. His legal team will tie you up in court for the next decade.

He doesn't even pay his contractors. Why bother when he doesn't have to.

He was a business man and no one gave a crap. Now.... He is under the biggest microscope in the world. And everyone can see the truth.

Wait until January when the Democrats start demanding investigation after investigation. All they need to say is "Gee, we find it odd Trump refused to release his taxes so let's have an investigation" and boom, all of his dirty shit comes out. Decades worth.

The kids will just do deals with shady people.

Ivanka is already Tangled in multiple lawsuits because of her shoe designs blatantly stealing from other designers.

They'll probably start a trump short-term high-interest loan company or title loan company or something to really fuck people over. Just watch.

Understood. I agree there are people here who will bring preconceived ideas about their support into this thread.

I actually agree with your last statement, but for different reasons. I have stated many times here that all this will end in nothing, similar to what this author lays out in

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...ler-skepticism

but it is the vote that counts. Ditto the fantasies of everyone in Trump's family going to jail. The country is, seemingly, much more aligned against the republicans now than it was in 2016. The point is, does Trump win in 2020. I see that as less likely.

But the question is, is the president hurting himself with his recent behavior?

Remember, let's try not to do this. He's a valued member of this community and he has a right to his opinion. Engage, don't attack, please.

What I bolded above is the critical part of your paragraph. Trump now has a clear defeat, and a House set against him. They have subpoena power - they can literally subpoena anything. Further, I don't think they'll be hesitant to use contempt, which won't affect the president but can affect every other citizen.

That's the heart of it. We're seeing that. What does it mean? Is it benign, as Robbie posits, or is it a sign of something problematic either appearing or being uncovered. Tucker Carlson: “I don’t think he’s capable,” Carlson explained. “I don’t think he’s capable of sustained focus. I don’t think he understands the system. I don’t think the Congress is on his side. I don’t think his own agencies support him. He’s not going to do that.”

Carlson said it was “mostly” Trump’s fault that he hadn’t been able to deliver on his pledges, because “you really have to understand how” the legislative process works and “be very focused on getting it done.”

Trump “knows very little about the legislative process, hasn’t learned anything, hasn’t surrounded himself with people that can get it done, hasn’t done all the things you need to do so. It’s mostly his fault that he hasn’t achieved those things. I’m not in charge of Trump,” he added."

Rex Tillerson: "Former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson sharply criticized his former boss in a wide-ranging interview at the MD Anderson Cancer Center on Thursday night, admitting publicly that President Trump was a “pretty undisciplined” man who “doesn’t like to read” and often had to be reminded about the law.

In the rare public appearance since his ouster from Trump’s cabinet, Tillerson told CBS News reporter Bob Schieffer at the Houston event that he had never met Trump until the day he was asked to be secretary of state.

According to Tillerson, he repeatedly had to stop Trump from engaging in illegal activity.

“So often, the president would say here’s what I want to do and here’s how I want to do it, and I would have to say to him, ‘Mr. President I understand what you want to do but you can’t do it that way. It violates the law. It violates treaty,’’ Tillerson said"

Agreed. No president can do this incredibly difficult alone. It is worrisome to see his close advisers abandoning him, or rather, leaving their posts. It may not be malign, but from here it looks like it is a sign of a person who is unhappy.

So your saying those two countries released what they had before the election?

Maybe Trumps daily deflection and media hype have deluded you... take a step back a hot cup of coffee, then read and recall how Trump got to election day..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...ates_elections

Yes, it's called the dossier. But it's not just "what they had" it's what they did to participate.. You already know... They used 5 eyes to spy on Trump's campaign and your boy Downer was used to try and set traps...

I think these people got some passive income sources and need not to do much work.

Trump has zero experience in politics or law, hasn't bothered to learn, and has surrounded himself with utter morons. He doesn't read briefings, doesn't trust the advice of any of the experts in the United States government, and doesn't prep for anything. He just "wings it" on his "gut feelings".... If this isn't bad enough, he carried a absolute minimum daily work schedule, and spends more time on vacation than any other President.

Trump won the election with a little bit of luck and a lot of help from the Russian government.

This is going to come crashing down, it will bring the economy down with it, and it will be two or three years of damage to the United States that will take a decade to fix. At the same time it will only widen the divide between Americans.

They didn't "use" 5 eyes to spy on Trump, its a core directive of the program put in place by Regan ... He would of been "monitored " since the day he announced his run for president. I guess Trump didn't read that part? so that's the excuse?? or he and his team some special kind of dumb fucks?

you really want to read up on:

The ECHELON program
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

Executive order 12333
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12333

Project Rhyolite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquacade_(satellite)

Project Rainfall, Pine gap
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap

Executive Order 13470
https://fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13470.htm

and then browse

Project Prism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_...llance_program)

BTW I in no way favour Wiki, its just for a brief outline, do your own research cos it leads down some serious rabbit holes. Also and most important, realize NSA is monitoring the international bank transfer system Swift. ;)
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If your an American businessman and you and your children and business associates have been going back and forth to Russia, trying to make deals in Russia, getting money from Russia, associating with political powers in Russia, and your accommodating known Russian Government operatives on American soil

The NSA is most certainly watching every time you fart, and I doubt there's a patriotic American that would disagree with that monitoring!

So read this again,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...ates_elections

But this time forget its your god Trump, and just call it : Individual 1

Don't you think your Government should of thrown every resource they had at.. Individual 1 ?

Wow @ 2011

I wasn't much into politics at that time so I missed all that.

Looks like pooty got revenge on Hillary... Makes sense now why the pootybots keep diverting attention to her from trump being the traitor.

America, looks like we might have got #pown3d by Russian gangsters. Lulz.

Um, Blade? Um, has a day gone by when you haven't hatefully attacked someone online? :upsidedow

It just amazes me the conspiracy theory heads skip over this, nothing is more a sign that the population has been brainwashed on a mass scale.

Individual "1" a billionaire and his family, his business associates and employees made numerous trips to Russia, trying to make deals in Russia, getting money from Russia, associating with political powers in Russia, and accommodating known Russian Government operatives on American soil. And then this Individual "1" teamed up with Billionaire Rupert Murdoch a known and charged international political hack, whose been directly responsible via his media companies of over throwing leaders and Government's in MULTIPLE countries.

And the conspiracy theorist all sit back and go " yep but that's ok cos its M A G N A "

Who really gives a fuck who Individual "1" is ? They're EXACTLY the sort of people you want your Government watching 24x7

You just quoted GFY's king of preconceived ideas... are you even trying to be serious? :1orglaugh

Absolutely - preconceived or not that is the truth. If you read above, I'm serious.

Unfortunately I agree with this. In that way I agree with the conservatives here, that we are headed toward a civil war. Who knows though, people may come to their senses.

You clearly believe in the Russia theory, and there is evidence in that direction, though I'm not able to evaluate it to my satisfaction.

I try to look at the result of it, and because of the supreme court and the makeup of the Senate, I am already fairly certain what will happen. The democrats WILL impeach, and Trump WILL NOT be removed. However, I don't see him winning in 2020 (but not by much, perhaps a maximum of 4-5% of popular).

This has nothing to do with my feelings, just my knowledge of the procedures of impeachment. We went through this with Bill Clinton.

A lot of great info there :thumbsup

And the first attack in what had so far been a respectful discussion comes from this guy. Congrats
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You think? This man just called the ex CEO of EXXON (who he had previously hired and hailed as a business genius) dumb as a rock. Why? Simply because he spoke his mind.

Democrats were "given" the house back before Trump dumps what they did in 2016 on the American people.. If you look back at all of the "flipped" elections and no one in Gov really screaming foul.. Look back at all of the Dem House seats that went unchallenged by a Rep.. They were given the House to save face... To keep the 2 party system alive...

Notice that now, after the elections, is when it's all ramping up.. Clinton foundation is back in the news.. Mueller is closing down his "investigation." They've been Potomac two-stepping all along.. Giving each side just enough to keep the two sides attacking each other rather than attacking those in Washington... Mueller would throw out some crumbs, then news from the other side immediately followed.. They cut a deal long ago I think... Trump gets to expose the Dems.. But first they were "allowed" to "steal" back the house.. Some got too greedy > Brenda "election sniper" Snipes.. Notice that they've buried that with the 100 or so vote ordeal in NC.. Don't look over here, look over there... Don't let them know we do this in mass.. Trump has been playing along, all along.... Allowing Washington to do their thing... Because he knows in the end that he's safe and he will be proven right...

How can you tell, right now, that Trump has given Washington back to Washington? Look no further than his AG appointment.. Certified Swamp Monster...

I see Tillerson's comments like this: He basically is saying that all he ever did was tell Trump that shit couldn't get done.
I hate working with people like that.
And now?
Magically Mike Pompeo is able to GET shit done instead of doing nothing as Tillerson did.

Think about it for a minute... I am sure you've all had the displeasure of working with someone like Tillerson who does nothing but make excuses. And if you are lucky you have also had the pleasure of working with a "can do" person like Pompeo.

Uh no. His comment was that Trump is ‘Undisciplined, doesn’t like to read’ and tries to do illegal things.

You interpret that to mean all he did was tell Trump he couldn't get shit done?

:1orglaugh

He didn't tell him "things can't get done," he told him most of what he wanted to do was AGAINST THE LAW. You see the difference?

Not to mention a bunch of other stuff about his lack of work ethic.

It's amazing how you're able to spin this unprecedented behavior to try and make it sound perfectly fine.

I don't understand if these people are dumb (as rocks), delusional or just plain trolling.

I don't appreciate his opinion. He's another dumb motherfucker who can only wonder "why is the media reporting all the fucked up shit my golden boy tries to get away with?" As Rochard said, the reason only bad things are reported is that it's all bad shit happening in this administration. It's a giant fucking trainwreck.

Fuck him and all the other Trump supporters. They're a good indication we need IQ tests for voting rights.

Today Trump administrations' EPA is rolling back clean water protections. Is that the media's fault?

Why are you reporting only the bad news?! I'm sure Trump worked a miracle today that the big bad media isn't reporting on. Like maybe these tweets?

"Watched Da Nang Dick Blumenthal on television spewing facts almost as accurate as his bravery in Vietnam (which he never saw). As the bullets whizzed by Da Nang Dicks head, as he was saving soldiers...."

"....left and right, he then woke up from his dream screaming that HE LIED. Next time I go to Vietnam I will ask “the Dick” to travel with me!"

Trump tweets

We are blessed to have a morbidly obese geriatric hate troll as POTUS

LOL. It couldn't be that Trump has no idea what he is doing, no goals, and no plans.