Trump Has Acquired ALL The Land Along Border! Fence Construction Continues!
 

May 27th, 1907: Theodore Roosevelt signs the following:


By the President of the United States of America.
A PROCLAMATION.

Whereas, it is necessary for the public welfare that a strip of land lying along the boundary line between the United States and the Republic of Mexico be reserved from the operation of the public land laws and kept free from obstruction as a protection against the smuggling of goods between the United States and said Republic;

Now, therefore, I, Theodore Roosevelt, President of the United States, do hereby declare, proclaim and make known that there are hereby reserved from entry, settlement or other form of appropriation under the public land laws and set apart as a public reservation, all public lands within sixty feet of the international boundary between the United States and the Republic of Mexico, within the State of California and the Territories of Arizona and New Mexico; and where any river or stream forms any part of said international boundary line, this reservation shall be construed and taken as extending to and including all public lands belonging to the United States which lie within sixty feet of the margin of such river or stream.

Excepting from the force and effect of this proclamation all lands which are at this date embraced in any level entry or covered by any lawful filing, selection or rights of way duly of record in the proper United States Land Office, or upon which any valid settlement has been made pursuant to law, an the statutory period within which to make entry or filing of record has not expired; and also excepting all lands which at this date are embraced within any withdrawal or reservation for any use or purpose to which this reservation for customs purposes is repugnant; Provided, that these exceptions shall not continue to apply to any particular tract of land unless the entryman, settler or claimant continues to comply with the law under which the entry, filing or settlement was made, or unless the reservation or withdrawal to which this reservation is inconsistent continues in force; Provided Further, that the said strips, tracts, or parcels of land, reserved as aforesaid, may be used for public highways but for no other purpose whatever, so long as the reservation of same under this proclamation shall continue in force.

In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my band and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington this 27th day of May, in the year of our Lord one thousand nine hundred and seven, and of the Independence of the United States the one hundred and thirty-first.

Signature of Theodore Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt

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A 60 foot strip of land along the border under control of the Federal Government? Sounds like Teddy ensured the right of way for the wall.. :thumbsup

https://i.imgur.com/AppRktQ.jpg

DemoRats hate America. It's very sad.

I actually didn't know that people think that landowners own the land right up to the nations border. Why would any idiot think that someones ranch is part of the nations border??

yawl gonna helicopter in this fence pole by pole?... better add another trillion to the cost.

Some farmers won't care, and give them access, others won't and for no other reason than it can fuck their farms, by scaring the live stock, altering the native habitat, like every weed that likes to grow in the shade.. get's a new home. There's a million reasons these farmers may not want federal contractors all over their land.

And for those places you end up in a legal fight that can take years. And from what I understand.. 3/4 of the land wanted is like that.

So good luck with it!

Lol, that shit only applies to public land and doesn't include Texas. When's the last time y'all looked at a map? Guess what state has most of that border? Guess who owns most of that land... All the way to the border lol. Who raised you people?

asspimple is seriously a stupid fuck.. The guy has a bottomless well of stupid.

Funniest part is ThePorker burying himself for trying to act like he knew something. That's some grade A self ownage right there.

already? that was quick

because the actual border i just realized is the center of the river for texas. not that it even occurred to you for a second... or that you'd every once stopped to ponder the legalities or why the border in Texas must be built well inside the US as the river itself, though is the border, it's also changing constantly - which means you can't build a fence down the middle of it as the border could move away from the fence in either direction.

no one here has ever accused you of being highly intelligent. no one here has even accused you of being smart.

Did I post something that's untrue???? :1orglaugh

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So how did previous Presidents build fences?

because some parts they have access too, some parts farmers don't mind or there's public infrastructure to get near enough to get equipment in. Borders 3,145 km long, 1000k is already fenced or more likely been fenced and needs refencing. But to build a barrier along the whole border, is basically an impossibility.

And then you have to think what it achieves.. certainly in NO way stops drugs, vast majority of illegal immigrants have flown in and out stayed visas, so those numbers won't be effected

And all your really left with is the small minority of people that walk over the border and apart from the most weak, that wall won't stop them at all.

It's a sales gimmick to a low IQ audience from a conman.

no but you posted something that you did not understand again.

dead eye already told you facts:

1. the so called roosevelt reservation is talking about PUBLIC land and not about private land. that means that ALL land that was not private in 1907 can not go into private hands.

so this land was never the point of this discussion.

2. it covers only california, arizona and new mexico. it has no power in texas.

what you also forget is, that seizing the land from the legal owners will take decades.

and if he thinks that he can undermine one of the very highest US laws, guaranteed by several chapters of the constitution by simply using the "eminent domain," he declared
you should also see the reason why the federal court can not allow that.
I am not sure if you know what "eminent domain" really means and if you are aware that it makes a governments able to take ALL your civil rights away.

Thats not how arguments work. You can't post anything you want and then ask everybody else to prove you wrong. YOU need to bring the burden of proof to back up your claims.

Otherwise, what we get are retards like you posting bullshit all day long and then everyone has to scramble to prove you wrong? Yeah...no thank you :action-sm :action-sm :action-sm :action-sm :action-sm

he outdoes himself ... post after post ...:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I posted an executive order issued by a previous administration.

Prove me wrong! HAHAHAHA!!!! :1orglaugh

Your thread title: Trump Has Acquired ALL the Land Along Border! Fence Construction Continues!


Reality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_Reservation
The Roosevelt Reservation is a 60-foot (18 m) strip of land on the United States side of the United States–Mexico Border under the jurisdiction of the United States Federal Government. It was established in a 1907 Presidential Proclamation (35 Stat. 2136) by Theodore Roosevelt in order to keep public lands in California, Arizona, and New Mexico "free from obstruction as a protection against the smuggling of goods between the United States and Mexico".[1][2][3] Texas is not mentioned, due to the details of the Texas annexation, where Texas retained all public lands upon annexation and admittance as a state.[4][5] Not all land on the border with Mexico in California, Arizona, and New Mexico is public.[6]

Conclusion: no, not all land has been acquired. Your claim is false.

Exactly!

In debate terms what he did is called an Argument from ignorance and it's used to shift the burden of proof on everyone else to prove him wrong. It's a lazy way to purposely make your oponent do all the work & waste energy.

He also uses the Gish Gallop technique.

"During a Gish gallop, a debater confronts an opponent with a rapid series of many specious arguments, half-truths, and misrepresentations in a short space of time"

It's another shift of burdon technique where you exert almost no effort to make your half truth, untrue claims, etc and your opponent has to spend massive time & energy going point-by-point disproving you.

Basically, he uses techniques to purposely waste our time & energy.

This is why I blocked him and his "TheSqueeler" nic almost 2 years ago now.

Then you have Paul Markham.

Paul's time wasting method is to ask a question, with a complex answer, that he could have easily Googled. You go through effort to explain, then he moves the goal posts, another underhanded nefarious debate technique that wastes everyone's time. Then the next day, or a week later, he'll ask the same question or falsely attribute that you have a certain viewpoint that you already explained to him before you didn't have (i.e. "You're just another far left extreme liberal" when the day before you told him you're fiscally conservative, pro gun ownership, pro death penalty, against late term abortion, pro border security & against sanctuary cities) :1orglaugh

Democrats are definitely for border security and keeping out illegal Mexicans and Central Americans...oh yeah 100%

https://i.imgur.com/ZgPGv1N.gif

I've known this for awhile. Glad to see I'm not the only one aware of it. Its the same way Paul Markham makes his arguments. I'm just making sure other people reading these threads understand what is truly going on and don't fall for the traps set by these trolls.

Aren't you late for a KKK rally?

Be pretty fucking impressive to see them build it inside a 60 foot stretch of land

Are you calling those previous Presidents con men?

Building fences and walls isn't something Trump started.

Border security isn't a brand new Trump idea, it happens all over the world and works. But nothing is 100% they are all measures to lessen the problem. Except in the EU where once in people are free to roam.

The opposition to Trump's idea is that the Wall has to stop all illegal immigrants and drug trafficker. Well that's Stupid and we know other means will still remain. This one is to lessen the flow, keep out all those who are or would be refused a visa on the basis of what your laws apply.

We all recognise there may be places where a Wall is impracticable and unneeded. But there are lots of places where it would work. Hence all the signs warning drivers to be careful of running over illegals.

It's really about whether you want better border security or to pay more in taxes to pay for the huge cost illegal immigration.

Actually, what it's REALLY about is establishing a barrier to keep Americans from fleeing the country. The entire "debate" is misdirection. The US debt and unfunded liabilities can never be repaid. Interest on the debt and upcoming costs of the unfunded liabilities will cause the US dollar to devalue and result in very high inflation that will impoverish the US population.

High-worth people will want to escape from this circumstance, but when it becomes apparent, it will be too late to build a wall to keep them in. The walls have to be built now in order for that to happen.

If you investigate, you will find that all sorts of measures are being implemented "under the radar" right now to ensure that movement of people inside the US can be tracked. New citizenship documents and biometric identification check points are being rapidly deployed and tested. Measures are already being taken to ensure that passports can be revoked for anyone with an outstanding tax bill.

Watch what happens over the next 15-20 years and you will see what this wall is really all about. If you're on the wrong side, you're going to be stuck there (and the wrong side isn't in Mexico...)

Oh how absurd...so in 15 years there's going to be a mass exodus out of the US?

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OK OK, you got me. I may have slightly exaggerated the thread title- Just like Crockette and BladeLiar do EVERY SINGLE TIME.

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Last year Trumps IRS enacted a law that if you owe back taxes you are denied being issued a passport, passport renewal and they can cancel your passport.

For the first time in history if you owe back taxes you lose your freedom to travel freely. No due process. No court. No judge.

It's almost as if you're oblivious to the changes happening right in front of your face.

https://www.irs.gov/irb/2018-03_IRB#NOT-2018-01

Considering the 2040s will be knocking by then, might be another white flight type situation.

Lying little bitch :1orglaugh

haha you may be right. Can you image a USA that's totally brown and black? It would be like Africa meets Central America. Probably would rank right up in the top 5 worldwide for homicide and AIDS cases in a decade....It would crumble then you'd still blame whites :1orglaugh

You keep comparing America to other places, yet facts prove as America becomes more melanated, it becomes safer.

Yeah but how come if you removed all the black and brown people from NYC you could fire 90% of the police force since rape murder and shootings would fall between 87-97%? Doesn't make much sense from your perspective.

And I wasn't comparing America to anywhere. Black / brown / white / asians all have very distinct societies they build. If you have a country full of black and brown people it will be poor and crime ridden. That's a fact. If it was all asian it would be safe and most likely prosperous.

Lol what? Have you ever lived outside of the US? What you’re saying is so incredibly ignorant

Tell us lily white Canadian guy who has never seen another black or brown in person, if you couldn't live in Canada the next country you would pic would be an African or Central American country? Riiiiiiiiiight.

Costa Rica and Panama were amazing places to live. I wouldnt mind bringing my family there one day.

"If" means nothing to me when reality says:

Our numbers are up
http://www.pewresearch.org/wp-conten...ispanicpop.png

http://www.pewresearch.org/wp-conten...nts_US_pop.png

Crime is down
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Statistic/19...-blank-355.png

And this:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013...46_634x601.jpg

...is happening with or without a wall, with or without mass incarceration, with or without mass deportation, with or without https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining, with or without https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight etc, etc etc.

Deflecting to zamunda and mars to justify your blind racism to ignore concrete American facts is foolish. I don't know if you've heard, but whites are now a minority in the nyc area... That's how NYC became the safest big city in America. Think about that next time you want to use my city for your nonsense lol.

I suggest if you don't want to live around melanated people, go back to Europe. The scare tactic propaganda shenanigans and population control tricks can't save you weirdos anymore from what's about to happen. America WILL be great again, but not in the way racists think it will lol.

Only 20 years left. #2040s here we come!

See but the nonsense here is you saying otherwise. I'm posting verified crime statistics from NYC that prove that if you removed black and brown people from NY you wouldn't need 90% of the police force. Black and brown people together are only 50% but are responsible for 85-97% of the rape, murders and shootings. Whites are 44% but only make up 3-12% of the rape, murders and shootings.

This is fact. Do you even understand what you're saying?

Follow the yellow brick road? Or in this case the 60ft path?

Bro, you either retarded or stupid.

You post hypothetical nonsense. The reality is, as soon as white became a minority in NYC it became the safest big city in America.

All verifiable fact. Not some hypothetical "what if" lol. It actually happened.

#2040s

And before the rest of you come in here for your intellectual spanking trying to defend unhung: no I'm not against white people. I'm against racist people. Especially the ones that are full of shit and hype off hypothetical "what ifs" when reality already proved you wrong.

The only way to be racist in 2019 is to be willfully ignorant.

High-worth people will fly out in their private jets. The longest walk they take is from limousine to the plane.

Then where will all the jobs for black and brown people come from?

The examples of countries who turn their industries over to "the people" go tits up, should be enough for you to be scared of a flight of the best.

Comparing culture with culture. The culture of white people is superior to that of other races. If that were not true, we wouldn't of been able to conquer so much of the world. Today all you have to do is compare the West with the Rest to see who comes out on top.

Then why for fucks sake did you become a Muslim?

The very fact that you want to identify yourself with a religion that kills others of a different persuasion is abhorrent. Sunni killing Shia or visa versa is a form of racism. Muslims banning non Muslims from holy sites is racism.

Trumps failing economy continues to unravel the lives of millions of Americans.

"Credit card debt hits record high of $4 Trillion and another signal of weaker demand, the closing of credit cards and other accounts, jumped to its highest level since 2010, while flows into serious delinquency for credit cards rose 5 percent, up from 4.8 percent in the third quarter."

Red flags emerge as Americans' debt load hits another record | Reuters

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Some red flags emerged for the U.S. economy late last year as credit card inquiries fell, student-loan delinquencies remained high and riskier borrowers drove home automobiles, according to a report that could signal a downturn is on the horizon.

The U.S. household debt and credit report, published Tuesday by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, showed that the overall debt shouldered by Americans edged up to a record $13.5 trillion in the fourth quarter of 2018. It has risen consistently since 2013, when debt bottomed out after the last recession.

While mortgage debt, by far the largest slice, slipped for the first time in two years, other forms of borrowing rose including that of credit cards, which at $870 billion matched its pre-crisis peak in 2008.

Consumer spending accounts for two-thirds of growth in the world’s largest economy and it is expected to hold strong this year even as the overall expansion cools after a hot 2018.

However one sign of consumer demand, credit inquiries, slipped in the second half of 2018 to the lowest level recorded by the New York Fed.

Another signal of weaker demand, the closing of credit cards and other accounts, jumped to its highest level since 2010, while flows into serious delinquency for credit cards rose 5 percent, up from 4.8 percent in the third quarter.

Serious-delinquency flows, a warning bell for economists because they can prelude defaults, spiked in the third quarter for student debt and remained there in the fourth quarter, with 9.1 percent of the $1.5-trillion total debt seriously delinquent.