death penalty question
 

the main issue I always read and hear about the death penalty is 'what if the guy is innocent' and naturally I agree with that...

however where there is positive DNA association, with no doubts... what then?

and when a person is proved 100% guilty of murder with no doubt via DNA, cameras etc... AND the convicted murder will not reveal the location of the bodies... is enhanced questioning acceptable to retrieve the 'remains' for the family?

to me this is an interesting question. personally i do not think 1 person can make this decision and the questions must be voted on. your thoughts please... ?

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter, Except for those who return repenting before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

— Qur'an, Sura 5, ayat 33 & 34"

https://quran.com/5/33?translations=20

okay, you don't have thoughts. not much I can do to help :2 cents:

I agree. All your alt-right friends that admitted to murdering innocent people, and some who videotaped their murders, should get an instant bullet to the head and save government resources.

I'm not radio shack

I've seen those videos of cutting starving kids hands off in the Middle East for stealing a piece of bread or orange to eat.

Most of the Muslim world is not at all like that but some parts of the middle East are hard core and need to be exterminated.

Radicalized Christians are just as evil.

I'm not sure what thread your in lol.. I have like 3 friends, maybe. and you're one of them :1orglaugh

never gonna watch any of that

I agree...

I think the death penalty should be done away with. If there is undeniable evidence, then the process should move pretty quickly as they go through court and are sent to prison. If there are questions and perhaps the person is innocent, they will still end up in jail while they make their way through the system, but at least they aren't put to death.

As for using torture, I don't think that is something worth doing. Experts around the world say it doesn't really work all that well and it just makes us look bad. It sucks if there are remains or things that the person won't divulge, maybe we can come up with a better way to get that information but I don't think torturing is the way to go.

I respect your opinion.

I don't condone giving the gift of life to a man that murdered 50 people, and injured dozens of others, in cold blood at church.

He doesn't deserve a warm place to sleep, he doesn't deserve food, he doesn't deserve to breathe.

I do understand & respect the stance against capital punishment and it's philosophy.

I'd give them eternal life so they can die forever . . .

For me it isn't about mercy. It is about money. It costs a lot more to put someone to death than it does to put them away for life. From a moral standpoint, I would rather a few people who most certainly deserve to be put to death not be than have innocent people put to death.

The death penalty is the ultimate penalty from which there is no coming back from.

The problem with the death penalty for a crime is that it cannot be evenly applied.

Someone with $5,000,000.00 to spend on their defense will have an infinitely better chance of either reducing the sentence or beating the case than a poor guy with a public defender.

Oh please, do you want to live in an islamic country? Shut the fuck up.


And where (besides in your mind) are these radicalized Christians blowing people up ?

I do not believe in the death penalty.... It's not punishment. Death is something that happens to everyone in their life eventually. Some people die when they are young, some people die when they are older. When you apply the death penalty you actually remove the punishment away from them.

When someone does something bad, I want them to be punished. I want them to suffer. I honestly want such people to be confined to a cold, dark, damp cell and be feed bread and water for the rest of their lives. No human contact, no television, no books. Just darkness. Once a week they get a shower. That's it. That's punishment.

So true. If you are poor, you are often screwed, not to mention if you can't afford bail you may have to sit in jail for months waiting for a trial so even if you are found innocent you will have lost your job, potentially your home, and had your life all fucked up.

The government should never have legal authority to kill its own people.

In theory, I agree with the death penalty.

In practice, I'm opposed.

Even with DNA evidence, it is not a sure thing to stone cold know somebody did a particular crime. By the very nature of death penalty level offenses, these are incredibly emotional cases where everyone wants *somebody* to pay and a rush to inaccurate judgment is more likely.

A Trump supporter against the death penalty.

Stop watching reruns of Papillon or Midnight Express.

Obviously you've not seen the conditions inside of a modern North American prison these days.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

normally I would have no input on prisons in America as I've never been arrested nor been put in prison.

However, last week I went on a binge watch of 60 days in.

Sure! How a government can pretends to have the legitimacy to fight crime if it allows himself to kill people?

And yet we'll sit in a movie theatre and cheer while the 'good guy' gets revenge/vengeance against the 'bad guys' in the most gruesome way possible. i.e. - in recent times, Liam Neeson in the Taken movies...back in the day it was Charles Bronson in the Death Wish movies. Hundreds upon hundreds of examples - and yet you don't commonly hear people sayin', "Geez, couldn't the good guy just have locked him up instead?"

No, people cheer the body count. The pound of flesh. The eye for an eye.

I'd support life sentences if the fucking prisons were stripped down to what they should be - hell holes devoid of all the comforts they currently enjoy. I have several friends and former co-workers who work for Corrections Canada and I often hear of the conditions inmates enjoy at various prisons. It's enough to sicken the average taxpayer - moreso the families and victims of crime.

I used to know this lady who was a corrections officer in a max security prison near Houston. When they were inspecting mail, they saw one guy had a check sent to him for $30,000.00. Later, another got one for $20,000.00.

These guys were both convicted murderers with life sentences.

Turns out the money was paid to them as advances because they were writing children's books.

I have had family members that were also corrections officers as well as friends and i've heard some fucked up stories, but that one right there was the only one that i found to be deeply disturbing.

I have no idea what Papillon or Midnight Express is.

I've never been inside of a courthouse no less a prison. I did have the opportunity to meet with the local police department. I have seen a few tv shows - you know the kind I am taking about - and it seems they all just hang out and goof off all day.

Both are the archetypical hellhole prisons you wish existed for criminals. And both are classic prison movies based on true stories - you should look them up and watch'em. Dustin Hoffman and Steve McQueen are in Papillon (French Guyana)...Brad Davis and John Hurt are in Midnight Express (a Turkish prison).

Example of Islam the religion of peace.

What is war against Islam defined as? Speaking out and saying it's all a crock of shit.

A good answer.

I'm a big fan of it.

Say what you want, you're not changing my mind. I just wish they didn't use lethal injection.

why the double standard? you cheer your own paid thugs who kill millions abroad and give them medals...you need to decide if murder is good or bad and act accordingly...

:2 cents::2 cents::thumbsup

drugs and suggestion is all they need

i know many many convicts, 30 years of narcotics anonymous :2 cents:

in the old days the gov would put your head on a stake and drop other body parts around town in buckets.. didn't even care if you were guilty, did what king told them to do

The Christchurch terrorist seems to be enjoying prison..

https://www.mamamia.com.au/christchurch-gunman-prison/

“At this time he has no access to television, radio or newspapers and no approved visitors, He's allowed outside into a small concrete yard the same size as his cell for one hour a day.”

I think the dickhead thought he was going to get a laptop and be on probation as long as he lived in moms basement.

Thanks for reminding me of why not to be religious.. That shit you just quoted is fucking stupid as hell. Anyone who believes in dumb shit like this needs to do the World a favor and cut their own fucking head off.

I say NO to death penalty.

There should be way better ways to resolve the issues, for example:

- tie criminal to a chair
- make him/her consume high dosage of LSD or Iboga or Ayahuasca
- force him/her to watch a 6 hour long compilation movie of violent acts [murders, beatings, etc, anything, but it has to be real thing, not fake - all this "eyes wide shut stlye" --> This Is Format c:/ for the personality
- take him/her into a 100% dark room, and block all the other perceptions --> time for post-processing
- Enjoy the brand new person :pimp

Actually, there was a fantastic episode of Black Mirror about punishing people with serious crimes

It doesn work (at least in the movie version) . . .

https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-s.../5/1135340.jpg

Look at the list of countries that still have death penalty and there's your answer.

more pls......

don't blame religion, blame the fucking arabs. you would be living in a hole in the ground eating fucking worms And mud with out religion. 'religion' is the core of civilization. it don't mater if you don't like it, the truth is the truth

clock work orange

ii'l take this time to point this out. if america were like other countries you would be goose stepping around the fatherland burning jews (pls stop saying stupid shit) :2 cents:

I have gone back and forth on this one myself in my lifetime. but the simple answer is killing someone is almost never the best solution, other than in self defence of course.. It is an act of revenge, nothing more. Punishment can come with imprisonment.

Tax dollars is always the argument against that, but when it comes to life and death that should never matter. Further, death row costs a LOT of money in court costs and time and security not to mention the time that is used with appeals to elected officials etc. so at the end of the day the costs are probably a lot less to keep them imprisoned.

Well, I’m not a fan of revenge/punishment concept, and the only justification for such drastic measure as death penalty I recognize could be preventing someone from hurting others. But someone who is sentenced to life in imprisonment is already stripped from such ability.
I think Making A Murderer Netflix series is something one should watch before being too judgmental.

“Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”

But I know that for many blind hatred is easier than taking time to think and choosing other ways...

Thank god for that bible for providing instructions on the physics of electrical current, indoor plumbing, aerodynamics, and of course how to create the internet.

I'm not one to go against religion myself but I think you need to go over your history books again as that is patently false.

Civilization began in egypt, many parts of the middle east and in greece and religion had nothing to do with it. If you look into your own nations history your forefathers believed the same thing, unless separation of church and state doesn't sound familiar to you.

Stop taking drugs.