hey rockhard
 

as an ex marine if there is such a thing, marine for life is my understanding... please explain me why you do NOT want the southern border of the united states protected? am I missing something?

He's going to tell you he does. He's going to tell you he's all for protecting the border and wants illegals out... yet he votes for Democrats that love illegals, keep and maintain sanctuary cities and would vote against any measure to secure our border.

where I come from we call that mental jumping jacks :2 cents:

rockhard is like a russian.... one night an angel comes to earth, telling 3 guys the world ends tonight. bladewire, an italian and a russian. the italian rushes off have dinner with his mistress, then home with his family... bladewire goes to a glory hole and the russian rushes off to burn down his neighbors barn.

rockhard does not give 1 fuck about the USA and would gladly see the whole country go down the tube if it fucked up trump ... :2 cents:

Dude you live in Southern California.

Unless you have no access to news you know what our problem is with illegal immigration and what the solution is.

We already have 700 miles of wall covering California's bordering it hasn't done shit.

We need to increase border patrol threefold.

We need more detention facilities.

We need more immigration judges to get these people cycled out as quickly as possible.

We need advanced electronic surveillance.

That's what we need

Some of you people your mind is just stuck on "a wall" because that's one thing and you can remember it and it's simple that is not the solution it's not simple like "a wall" .

how about this: we pull the troops out of the middle east and put some on the boarder? shoot to kill.

So you want to stop killing Muslims?

Can't we do both?

Ah yes, the standard Republican thought process of "Democrats don't want the border protected".

Of course I want the border protected. However, I do not see the need to spend hundreds of billions of dollars needlessly.

The Border Patrol doesn't want walls. They want fences. They want to see what is happening on the other side of the border. We don't need walls. We also don't need a wall (or a fence) all through California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. We do not need to be building fences where there is no illegal activity; That's just a waste of money. The Democrats already did this - they passed a wall which built fences where fences were needed. If we decide we need to build additional fences in other areas, come up with a bill that does this. However, the current administration is incapable of doing this... The Trump administration needs to go to Congress and say "We have identified thirty-two areas where we believe fences need to be built due to illegal crossings and we need $X to build this". Instead the Trump administration says "We want $500 billion to build a wall" without any details and the Border Patrol rejects this because they don't want a wall, they want fences.

We also need to work on the Border Patrol itself - more agents, better pay for the agents, and more and better equipment. Right now it's difficult to even recruit Border Patrol agents - crappy pay, crappy job, and crappy job locations. I've given this a lot of thought really, and there is a good solution to this.... Make the Border Patrol into a military force similar to the Army. Then make "Board Patrol" bases similar to the military bases we have here in the United States. Military bases are beautiful - they have all of the conveniences of a small town (schools, movie theaters, pools, stores, gyms, recreation facilities, etc), are very clean and have low crime. (When I was stationed at Camp Lejeune we had a place on base where we could rent jet skis.) The downside here is the cost to this would be astronomical.

The other problem is now illegal immigrants have found a massive loophole.... They claim asylum. All of our fences and all of our walls no longer matter - all they need to do is stand in front of that fence or wall - which is American soil - and claim asylum. At this point the Border Patrol is legally required to get them, transport them to where ever, and start the asylum process. While we process them we house them, feed them, and give them medical care - and then release them into the United States. The immigration process is completely and utterly overwhelmed, and the process can take years during which asylum claimants start the process of becoming United States citizens. This is madness; This is a massive abuse of the asylum process.

It's really important to note that we didn't have this issue until Trump took office. We didn't have this problem under Obama; Obama deported more illegal immigrants than any other President. Trump and his administration caused this situation through their incompetence, and because of their incompetence they are unable to find a solution to the process. In fact, I don't even see this being discussed by the White House. (Although it's really hard to tell because the White House hasn't had a press conference in over two months.)

I am a Marine and to this very day I believe in how Marines think, starting with "KISS" - Keep It Simple Stupid. There are very simple solutions to all of these problems...

1) Asylum Laws
We need to change the asylum laws. Change the law so that in order to claim asylum someone can only do so through a United States Embassy in their home country. This stops them from coming to the United States. If they come to the United States, they should be treated as a illegal immigrant and be quickly deported.

2) Border Patrol
We need to beef up the Border Patrol - in a huge way. We should consider using the military to secure our borders. This should be part of their mission statement. Instead of closing up military bases like we have been doing, we should be building military bases along our borders - small bases capable of air support (helicopters). I was in the military; If we weren't on deployment or actually training we did.... nothing. This would be constant training. Currently the United States Border Patrol is 21k agents.... I am sure the US Military can free up 20k troops quickly. And they would be better trained and better equipped too.

3) Fences
We do not need to build walls; We need fences. Identify areas where fences are needed and build fences. We've done this before - the Secure Fence Act of 2006. Let's take another look and see if we need to do something similar again and allocate more money for to maintain current fences, and beef up fences already built if needed.

The problem is the Trump administration is incapable of doing any of this.

The Trump administration routinely ignores the advice of it's own government. (Right now Trump wants to build a $20 billion aircraft carrier, while the Secretary of the Navy says we need to invest that money into Cybersecurity.) Then factor in the mean rhetoric against immigrants in general by this administration, the lies, the lack of trust, the refusal to work with Democrats at any level, and the way the Trump Administration attacks pretty much everyone an anyone.... The White House is unable to hold a press conference no less accomplish anything meaningful.

Sorry about the length of my post.... I was up early and had my first Red Bull in six months.

Please note... I am not a "ex Marine". The only "ex Marine" is Lee Harvey Oswald.

This is not true at all. We didn't have this immigration problem until Trump took office. Trump created the problem, made it worse, and is unable to to solve the problem.

This right here.

Not all libs are this way but you know without a doubt people like bladewire, redfred, crockett would love to see famine and breadlines here because "their guy" didn't win.

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Is rochard this dumb or is he just trolling all of us?

Walls (and fences) are not a solution. Anyone can go over, under, or through a wall or fence. We've seen this live on TV when groups of shoeless people dug holes under a fence while the Border Patrol tried to detain them.

^^ Claims to have access to news.. Seems to be completely oblivious to facts.

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All I can say is that Rochard has a great sense of irony . . .

https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...39&oe=5D6AB088

that's a lot of rationalization.. wall yes or no?

????? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I spit coffee on my keyboard :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh @ lesbian haircut

No. We do not need a wall.

Where it is needed, we need a fence. The Border Patrol does not want walls, they want fences. They want to be able to see what is happening on the other side. We also do not need walls or fences where we do not need them.

Good because I like lesbians.

What immigration problem did we have before Trump took office?

Immigration was at a twenty year low under Obama, and he deported more illegal immigrants than any other President. Our immigration system wasn't completely overwhelmed.

We need a wall all right OP.. We need a wall to put you deranged Trump nuts behind and throw away the key...


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2040's... or maybe we decide to speed it up when we get "triggered"

OP, protecting a border and spending billions of billions on a wall that will not have any effect on protecting a border, it´s a completely different question!

This is what Republicans don't seem to understand... We can spent a trillion dollars on a huge wall from California to Texas and.... They will still come.

We need a full solution. Not a wall.

Republicans voted not to fund the wall

Trump had to lie and declare a state of emergency to get money for the wall, and then cut personnel at our ports of entry and immigration judges to try and create a false emergency.

Wow, you truly have no clue.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/12/se...at-the-border/

So why then did they have to use tear gas at the border under Obama if as you say the problems didn't start till trump took office, or are you just full of shit?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...p-nbpc/580237/
Then there is the other bullshit where you say border patrol doesn't want a wall in favor of a fence. Seems you are full of shit there as well.

Notice how neither graipefruit or vendilldo will ever answer any questions asked of them or comment on anything. They instead just post more bull shit and demand you answer their questions..

It's also funny that grapefruit doesn't bring up the fact that Vendilldo a former Navy guy was trying to scam people out of their money with a 501 scam pac this last election.

Grape do you think vendilldo violated his oath?

graipefruit and vendilldo :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Have you paid "ANY" attention AT ALL to what they are building? It is definitely more a fence than wall. You can even see who is on the other side.

I have cricket blocked after he insulted my daughter

You are utterly retarded. From your link:

Walls and fences are only a speed bump. People who want to come to the United States to obtain employment will continue to go over, under, and around the walls and fences that are constructed.

This is what we have been trying to tell you.

You said the border patrol didn't support a wall, where in the fuck am I wrong? Your answering the voices in your head because what you said has zero to do with my post

All they are doing is replacing existing fencing. They aren't building Trump's wall.

Still.

https://qz.com/1520651/border-patrol...all-wont-work/
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/u...democrats.html
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...fences-1081250
https://news.gallup.com/poll/246455/...rder-wall.aspx

This is a waste of tax payer money. You can build a wall from California to Texas, and they will still come and still get in. We need to fix the problem, not put up speed bumps.

Then why are you not happy? Fence or wall, potato or grapefruit, he's working on deterring illegal immigration. I vote for land mines!

There you go again, are you so fucking stupid that you can't answer then post? You said the border patrol didn't support it and I showed you that you were full of shit and there you go again changing the subject

Plain and simple, you said the border patrol didn't support it and you are a fucking liar!

OMG. Read your links before you put them up.

From your article:


Uses of Tear Gas by
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
Fiscal Year Number of Incidents
2012 26
2013 27
2014 15
2015 8
2016 3
2017 18
2018 29
Source: U.S. Customs and Border Protection

Do you see how uses of tear gas at the border was dropping... Right until Trump opened up his mouth in the run up to the election. The moment Trump came and said "We need to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" was when everything changed.

So you agree that you were fucking lying when you said the problem was created by Trump

Crockett is now advocating murdering whites. Very subtle there snowflake.

That we had this problem before Trump. The only reason we have more trying to cross the border is a better economy, is that what you are trying to say, that we have more border crossings because since Trump took office we have a better economy?

Vendildo lives in a fantasy world where everything is about him. I hope at least your daughter got her moms brains because it's clear you have none...

If you want to blame Trump for a better economy, I can accept that.

You know how I know you are racist? Because everything to you has to be about blacks or whites...

Oh damn :helpme

Did you guys see the new jobs numbers? Better than expected and lowered the unemployment rate even lower, but people like cricket hate that the country is doing so good and is yelling off with his head, what a fucking loser!

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/03/b...ort-april.html damn impressive and you guys still hate the president?