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CurrentlySober 05-05-2019 05:18 AM

Question about a recent "Young Sheldon' episode to the Americans here...
 
So, in a recent episode, Sheldon makes a remark on TV that suggests he is a Communist. It's all a big error of course, and Sheldon doesn't understand what he said, but the family go into meltdown. The Grandma is outside her house waving the American Flag and Singing Star Spangled Banner all day and the rest of them are terrified...

Now I know its a TV show, and it's supposed to be stupid, but why would they have been so worried about it?

Free Speech is something that the Americans are proud to state that they have, yet this episode really seemed to contradict that. Please explain it to me, because despite living Stateside and loving it for nearly ten years, it made no sense to me at all?

EDIT TO SAY : Although I describe it as a recent episode, I think it aired over there on February 21st. It was the one where they have made a change to the ingredients and taste of his favourite bread...

notinmybackyard 05-05-2019 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 22464135)
So, in a recent episode, Sheldon makes a remark on TV that suggests he is a Communist. It's all a big error of course, and Sheldon doesn't understand what he said, but the family go into meltdown. The Grandma is outside her house waving the American Flag and Singing Star Spangled Banner all day and the rest of them are terrified...

Now I know its a TV show, and it's supposed to be stupid, but why would they have been so worried about it?

Free Speech is something that the Americans are proud to state that they have, yet this episode really seemed to contradict that. Please explain it to me, because despite living Stateside and loving it for nearly ten years, it made no sense to me at all?

EDIT TO SAY : Although I describe it as a recent episode, I think it aired over there on February 21st. It was the one where they have made a change to the ingredients and taste of his favourite bread...

I'll take a shot at this.

Today's "mainstream entertainment industry" is producing absolute assinine shows and movies because it's cheap and it sells.

Kind of like what my company has been doing for the last little while and that's filming the ugliest women that we can find.

What we're producing is garbage...
I'll never stroke off watching one of our current videos. (In fact I don't even what to look at it)
But the stuff is cheap and it appears to be resistant to piracy and it earns decent money.

So today's mainstream media is doing similarly by producing trash for people with an IQ of 50. But what amazes me is how many relatively intelligent people will also watch that bullshit.

Almost no one seems to want anything of quality these days.

Bosa 05-05-2019 05:39 AM

[QUOTE=CurrentlySober;22464135]So, in a recent episode, Sheldon makes a remark on TV that suggests he is a Communist. It's all a big error of course, and Sheldon doesn't understand what he said, but the family go into meltdown. The Grandma is outside her house waving the American Flag and Singing Star Spangled Banner all day and the rest of them are terrified...

Now I know its a TV show, and it's supposed to be stupid, but why would they have been so worried about it?



McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence.[1] The term refers to U.S. senator Joseph McCarthy (R-Wisconsin) and has its origins in the period in the United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting from the late 1940s through the 1950s.[2] It was characterized by heightened political repression and a campaign spreading fear of Communist influence on American institutions and of espionage by Soviet agents.[2]

What would become known as the McCarthy era began before McCarthy's term in 1953. Following the First Red Scare, in 1947, President Truman signed an executive order to screen federal employees for association with organizations deemed "Totalitarian, Fascist, Communist, or subversive", or advocating "to alter the form of Government of the United States by unconstitutional means." In 1949, a high-level State Department official was convicted of perjury in a case of espionage, and the Soviet Union tested an atomic bomb. The Korean War started the next year, raising tensions in the United States. In a speech in February 1950, Senator McCarthy presented an alleged list of members of the Communist Party working in the State Department, which attracted press attention. The term "McCarthyism" was published for the first time in late March of that year in the Christian Science Monitor, and in a political cartoon by Herblock in the Washington Post. The term has since taken on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. In the early 21st century, the term is used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, and demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

During the McCarthy era, hundreds of Americans were accused of being Communists or Communist sympathizers; they became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private industry panels, committees, and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, academicians, and labor-union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed leftist associations or beliefs were sometimes exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment or destruction of their careers; some were imprisoned. Most of these punishments came about through trial verdicts that were later overturned,[3] laws that were later declared unconstitutional,[4] dismissals for reasons later declared illegal[5] or actionable,[6] or extra-legal procedures, such as informal blacklists, that would come into general disrepute.

President Harry S. Truman's Executive Order 9835 of March 21, 1947, required that all federal civil-service employees be screened for "loyalty". The order said that one basis for determining disloyalty would be a finding of "membership in, affiliation with or sympathetic association" with any organization determined by the attorney general to be "totalitarian, Fascist, Communist or subversive" or advocating or approving the forceful denial of constitutional rights to other persons or seeking "to alter the form of Government of the United States by unconstitutional means."[7]

Loyalty-security reviews

In the federal government, President Truman's Executive Order 9835 initiated a program of loyalty reviews for federal employees in 1947. It called for dismissal if there were "reasonable grounds ... for belief that the person involved is disloyal to the Government of the United States."[15] Truman, a Democrat, was probably reacting in part to the Republican sweep in the 1946 Congressional election and felt a need to counter growing criticism from conservatives and anti-communists.[16]

When President Dwight Eisenhower took office in 1953, he strengthened and extended Truman's loyalty review program, while decreasing the avenues of appeal available to dismissed employees. Hiram Bingham, chairman of the Civil Service Commission Loyalty Review Board, referred to the new rules he was obliged to enforce as "just not the American way of doing things."[17] The following year, J. Robert Oppenheimer, scientific director of the Manhattan Project that built the first atomic bomb, then working as a consultant to the Atomic Energy Commission, was stripped of his security clearance after a four-week hearing. Oppenheimer had received a top-secret clearance in 1947, but was denied clearance in the harsher climate of 1954.

Similar loyalty reviews were established in many state and local government offices and some private industries across the nation. In 1958, an estimated one of every five employees in the United States was required to pass some sort of loyalty review.[18] Once a person lost a job due to an unfavorable loyalty review, finding other employment could be very difficult. "A man is ruined everywhere and forever," in the words of the chairman of President Truman's Loyalty Review Board. "No responsible employer would be likely to take a chance in giving him a job."[19]

The Department of Justice started keeping a list of organizations that it deemed subversive beginning in 1942. This list was first made public in 1948, when it included 78 groups. At its longest, it comprised 154 organizations, 110 of them identified as Communist. In the context of a loyalty review, membership in a listed organization was meant to raise a question, but not to be considered proof of disloyalty. One of the most common causes of suspicion was membership in the Washington Bookshop Association, a left-leaning organization that offered lectures on literature, classical music concerts, and discounts on books.[20]

J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI

J. Edgar Hoover in 1961
FBI director J. Edgar Hoover designed President Truman's loyalty-security program, and its background investigations of employees were carried out by FBI agents. This was a major assignment that led to the number of agents in the bureau being increased from 3,559 in 1946 to 7,029 in 1952. Hoover's sense of the Communist threat and the standards of evidence applied by his bureau resulted in thousands of government workers losing their jobs. Due to Hoover's insistence upon keeping the identity of his informers secret, most subjects of loyalty-security reviews were not allowed to cross-examine or know the identities of those who accused them. In many cases, they were not even told of what they were accused.[21]

Hoover's influence extended beyond federal government employees and beyond the loyalty-security programs. The records of loyalty review hearings and investigations were supposed to be confidential, but Hoover routinely gave evidence from them to congressional committees such as HUAC.[22]

From 1951 to 1955, the FBI operated a secret "Responsibilities Program" that distributed anonymous documents with evidence from FBI files of Communist affiliations on the part of teachers, lawyers, and others. Many people accused in these "blind memoranda" were fired without any further process.[23]

The FBI engaged in a number of illegal practices in its pursuit of information on Communists, including burglaries, opening mail, and illegal wiretaps.[24] The members of the left-wing National Lawyers Guild were among the few attorneys who were willing to defend clients in communist-related cases, and this made the NLG a particular target of Hoover's. The office of this organization was burgled by the FBI at least 14 times between 1947 and 1951.[25] Among other purposes, the FBI used its illegally obtained information to alert prosecuting attorneys about the planned legal strategies of NLG defense lawyers.[citation needed][26]

The FBI also used illegal undercover operations to disrupt Communist and other dissident political groups. In 1956, Hoover was becoming increasingly frustrated by Supreme Court decisions that limited the Justice Department's ability to prosecute Communists. At this time, he formalized a covert "dirty tricks" program under the name COINTELPRO.[24] COINTELPRO actions included planting forged documents to create the suspicion that a key person was an FBI informer, spreading rumors through anonymous letters, leaking information to the press, calling for IRS audits, and the like. The COINTELPRO program remained in operation until 1971.

Historian Ellen Schrecker calls the FBI "the single most important component of the anti-communist crusade" and writes: "Had observers known in the 1950s what they have learned since the 1970s, when the Freedom of Information Act opened the Bureau's files, 'McCarthyism' would probably be called 'Hooverism'."[27]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

Paul Markham 05-05-2019 06:14 AM

Freedom of speech only covers certain topics in different countries.

CurrentlySober 05-05-2019 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22464155)
Freedom of speech only covers certain topics in different countries.

Yes. After reading Bosa's long reply (Cheers Bosa) I've come to the same conclusion. Free speech is only as long as it isn't about certain subjects, so free speech isn't really free speech at all.

OneHungLo 05-05-2019 06:48 AM

Commies don’t get attacked, but put a red hat on and you’re guaranteed to get it from a crazy lib.


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