Question for affiliates and program owners
 

Tell me if I’m out of line here. Duke Dollars takes on affiliates but they need to be manually approved before sending traffic. So I get this guy who signed up, and I noticed the site he listed isn’t indexed in google, and it seems to promote gay and cuckhold stuff—niches which I do not have. So I ask him 3 simple questions

1. Do you have any references
2. A list of all the pages he will be promoting from
3. 3 programs that he currently promotes.

The guy replies “nah, you’re kidding right? You’re a fraud.”

I’d like to hear your opinions on this from both sides of the ball.

Thanks ladies and gents

Duke

Man your post is shady as fuck, not to mention you're posting on a forum where almost nobody lists their websites or tell anyone their name :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Not to mention the fact that you don't see the connection between cuckolding and your shitty stale content; with all the years you've been in business shows you haven't been paying attention at all and don't know your customer base. If you weren't such a closeted homophobic piece of shit I'd explain it to you but you're on your own, and you won't get it. The amount of money you've left on the table is obscene.

That affiliate's unhinged level is probably on par with you know who ^^^^^

We decided to open our affiliate program to everyone from the beginning in 2006, no approval. When we open a new site, some webmasters would like to start promoting right away and receiving a message saying your account will be approved within 24 hours is no go for them.

We have some webmasters that register 2 or 3 years before starting promoting us!

On the other side, some Affiliate programs start to request KYC for affiliates which mean passport copy, utility bills or company information (I would say mainly in Europe for now) and I think its a good thing. Media buying companies already do it for years.

For my point of view, we have to regulate the industry on this part. As long as you are handling money, you should be able to know who will receive it in case of Money Laundering

Thismguy must be stuck in last decade when Affiliates were in charge. LOL

I'm not an affiliate to any sites. I make my money on my own content on my own sites. As usual you just lie because that's all you have.

Bladey, I’m one of the oldest cash programs in business in the entire porn industry. Don’t tell me what I’m doing wrong

It's like he woke up out of a 10-year hard drug binge and is grasping at trying to get ahold of his failed "business".

The fact that he doesn't see the correlation between cuckold and his content is astounding.

And you're asking a new affiliate to give you 3 referrals to other programs he promotes before your grace hymn with a possibility of promoting you :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I didn't tell you what you're doing wrong before.

Do you have a reading comprehension disability?

You already know what you're doing wrong you can't figure out how to do it right you dip shit.

Saying you're the oldest one at doing something is like Paul Markham saying he knows everything about porn because he's been doing it for 30 years give me a fucking break. The fact that you don't know better says a lot about where you actually are.

Excellent points 👍:thumbsup

I see your point. I’m in a kush position where I don’t need affiliates but with PPS you need due diligence.

Categorical proof you derail business threads

Ya.. those days are looooooooooong gone

Did you read the part where his site wasn’t listed in google. 1st red flag.

Have never (since parting with MaxCash) had "open promotion" of anything, all I have ever seen is chatters and fraudsters, keep verifying everything!

Yes! Pretty much the same. I’m at the point where I haven’t needed new affiliates in a long while and do a lot of b2b. I’ll take them on if they pass the sniff test.

I remember being asked some of this stuff when I first got into it. I remember being a bit intimidated by it though, because I didn't know anybody and was just making a sale here and there. However, since he balked so quickly, and immediately accused you of being the fraud (dishonest people tend to suspect others of dishonesty) my guess is your instinct was correct.

No programs still in business require a new affiliate to provide 3 other programs they promote as referrals

Your "instinct" doesn't take into account common sense or statistics.

Any program that requires a new affiliate to provide three other programs they promote as referrals, excludes any affiliates new to the industry, affiliates that only promote two programs or less, or affiliates that are private about who else they do business with.

I hope Dukeskywalker keeps doing this :thumbsup

And the guy could have just as easily come back with one of those reasons why he couldn't as opposed to the "you're a fraud."

Keep in mind, this is one applicant that Duke took the time to respond to personally. These are not required fields on the signup application.

Not sure why you're being such a dick.

Citing logic, statistics and facts is "being a dick" to you. Lovely. You literally can't have a business conversation without personally attacking me. Fuck off loser. Like I care what you think my anonymous :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Occam's razor; Dukeskywalkers sites weren't important enough for the potential affiliate to jump through all those hoops.

"Dukes" affiliate sign up page is clickbait.

Evidently after an affiliate signs up they are ask more questions personally via an email by "Duke"

1. Do you have any references
2. A list of all the pages he will be promoting from
3. 3 programs that he currently promotes.

I truly hope "Duke" keeps doing this; the fewer homophobic, bigoted hateful assholes we have in this business to better :thumbsup

You're on quite a roll today.
1. "being a dick" is because you're being a dick.

2. What other business conversations have we had? As a rule, I try not to engage with you at all. As to "personally attacking" you - see point 1. I don't like bullies.

3. You're one to talk about being anonymous. My site is right there in my sig. Where's yours?

I don't care what you think you anonymoys hateful asshole :1orglaugh:1orglaugh You're latching onto me like some needy married closet case fuck off :321GFY

"Duke" brags about being in business for years and is asking the most basic misdirected questions about affiliates showing us a clear lack of basic understanding.

I hope "Duke" keeps filtering affiliates the same way he is doing currently :thumbsup

We keep it closed. And if any questions, email and ask follow up questions to be sure its valid. With PPS, you gotta definitely do it, but we still have guys for revshare as we pay 10 days after the end of the period.

I always screened new affiliates before accepting them, it really is needed sometimes.

That would really explain your post then... There is nothing wrong with screening new affiliates and asking for some added credentials. If you had any experience with fraud screening you would understand why.

I've had my own sites on my own merchant accounts for decades and you say I have no experience with fraud screening :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Dukeskywalker doesn't post his real name on GFY , nor any of the people he does business with, but he wants new affiliates to give him all sorts of proprietary data.

I feel like I must reiterate again, I want "Duke" to keep screening the way he is :thumbsup

If you can't personally research & screen new affiliates yourself based on the information they submit on the affiliate form you provide them you shouldn't be in this business.

Having an inadequate affiliate sign up form and then asking for additional information, because your form was inadequate, is amateurish at best if not negligent, after being in the industry for decades.

I've had affiliates for YEARS and I still research new affiliates without needing to ask them for new info. I also research new customers when I think the fraud scrub is too loose.

Well, we all know Duke Dollars isn't a fraud.

You have to remember there are a lot of people out there who have no idea what they are doing. They want to be a part of our industry, but actually doing any work or actually doing it right.... Is difficult for some people.

You have to admit his additional three requirements from affiliates are comical

1. Do you have any references
2. A list of all the pages he will be promoting from
3. 3 programs that he currently promotes.

Just the list of all the pages on a single legal tube site or TGP someone could promote him on could be in the hundreds.

I hope "Duke" keeps doing what's he's doing :thumbsup

SpookyCash keeps signups open, but we look at them and will email similar questions to yours if the site they list seems odd or unmatched or nonexistent or unknown to Google or otherwise off or whatever and cut them off if the answers do not seem legit. If someone wants to know every page, I don't know when I start promoting something what every page will be, so I wouldn't expect someone else to, but they should have something to show they are not just going to run stolen credit cards through or other dishonest stuff. Them jumping to call you, of all people, a fraud ... well, I think your sense that they are fraudulent is on the money.

I am pretty sure you already know this, but it was probably BladeLiar. And no, there is no reason to accept that person as an affiliate, BladeLiar or not.

Notice how he never says what sites he has, but accuses others for not advertising their sites?

Those days were the times that nobodies wanted it all their way. Affiliates demanding sites bend over backwards if they merely joined with a Gmail or Hotmail address. Demanding access to tons of content with no proof they will send a sign up, people using your banners and linking it to their sites, etc.

Exclusive shooters who no one knew demanding 50% up front off well established programs with no record of fraud.

Nowadays one person can generate all the traffic needed pairing up with the big Tube sites.

Rather than suspect others of dishonesty, I think it's more accurate to say that fraudsters try to shift the blame, putting the burden of defense on the potential victim.

Duke, there's nothing wrong trying to qualify who you may be doing business with.

Yes, i'm saying you have no experience with fraud screening. Because if you did? You would understand what I said and you would also understand Dukes question and why he brought it up.

The only reason you are challenging him on this has nothing to do with business and everything how you feel about him personally and his specific political views. I can tell you right now me and Duke probably have very little in common politically, despite us both being conservatives. However that has ZERO to do with this discussion or topic and what I said stands...

If you aren't doing some form of screening of affiliates coming in, and the sales they are bringing in you are leaving yourself wide open to fraud.

I don't see any issue with you asking him those questions. I've signed up for a number of sites that have required me to submit a screenshot of traffic I have sent to sites or a sample of websites I promote from and I'm totally fine with that. It takes less then a minute for me to e-mail that stuff off and I get an acceptance e-mail shortly after.

I'm all mainstream now, but I cut off all affiliates. Unnecessary headache for me.

Without reading the thread but just the OP question, I think it is fine to do due diligence but sometimes a dude doing one niche may want to start working on another. Maybe if you would have just told you that all would have been good.

Yes. The thing is his site wasnt listed in google. That’s why i asked

yup, I totally think it's your right and should be done by more people. :thumbsup

I never did it but I had a ccbill program. I would get a guy signing up and sending sales right away on first clicks. I would just refund and close their accounts. I hate fraud!

Ya, and at 35pps it’s like reading a bladewire post

I only take on affiliates who do different methods of promo than i do. Otherwise, and eventually, you are paying him for something you could have done on your own

As a veteran affiliate, all I can tell is that you've made the right steps and the affiliate is the problem child here. :2 cents:

If I am serious about adding a new affiliate program to my promotion portfolio, I am well-prepared for such questions. :2 cents::pimp

Amen. Thank you

PLUS 1 :2 cents::thumbsup
OP should be on guard about the new aff.

Plus 2

Your ball, your rules and you that gets shafted at the end of the day.

What's the downside to having an "open" AP? Everyone can signup and promote, why not?

If there is fraud involved then it will be caught on the Biller's end. People who signup to APs to run cc scams are usually caught on Day One. Once approved they try to send 500 joins in a day or something. It is the rare (especially these days) "wise" scammer who only sends a sale or two a day or week. But even then, if the CBs hit and they are all tied to that affiliate, they get blocked.

I understand a good offense is a good defense but honestly, 99% of ANY affiliate who joins an AP these days is a tiny, tiny fish. All the important affiliates are already sending traffic.

In other words, don't sweat the small stuff - and it's ALL small stuff these days when it comes to new affiliates.

I wouldn't have a problem answering those questions. I have had to for many different programs.

In the beginning I would have (and did):
1. Do you have any references
A. Not many. I noticed the same people are posting to sites like AL4A and noticed they also have the same "affiliate codes" on their listings. I want to get into this and have developed some domains and galleries.

2. A list of all the pages he will be promoting from
A. (Here I would have listed some of my galleries)

3. 3 programs that he currently promotes.
A. I am signing up to several. I have been approved at TCG, Silver Dollars and Payserve.

Then I would have added some kind of personal note like:

I realize I am brand new to affiliate marketing. I am reading all I can on Ynot and similar sites about the subject. I hope to make a good chunk of change with you over the years and I am sure not many who are this new have turned in this complete of an application. Thanks for your time!

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I had absolutely no issues with getting accepted. I made my first $35 PPS with RK on a MILF Hunter sale a week later. I gave them the wrong address and they were so nice that they FedEx'ed me a re-issued $35 check with next day air. Many years later I have done close to a million in sales commissions with them through various ventures and companies.

That applicant sounded like somebody who feels entitled.

* And I have done tens of thousands with Duke Dollars as well. Looking forward to making it hundreds of thousands.

I agree with you, this guy is just a complete asshole that loves to shit on people for no good reason, except his delusion that everybody is just a homophobe and a racist.