Why buy if free?
 

Guys explain how sites like https://iwantclips.com make money if millions of clips are free.
on top, if you pay 9-29$ per site you get a membership with many clips rather then buy 1 clip for 12$. Where are the logic and sense?

Why buy porn if it's free?

Why get up to use the toilet, when your pants are perfectly adequate?

it´s just how it is...


like Fraser Crane and his brother Niles, they´re both in the gold room of this luxury spa, however, they want more, they move up to the platinum. You can get more if you take up the membership to the models pages, more than you can for the free content. & obviously free content never shows everything, especially usually no cumshot :thumbsup :2 cents:

Paysite membership rebills, while buying a clip does not.

The problem isn't that porn is free.

The free option is very often better than the paid option. A larger selection. If you don't find it on one porn tube go to another. No chance of getting conned. More updates. No giving them your card details and email. No chance of your wife finding the billing on your card.

In fact the only thing lost is image quality which obviously isn't important enough to millions to make them pay $1 a day for porn.

Clip stores thrive primarily on:
1) Very unique, fresh content - the odder the better in most cases
and
2) Connection to the model - follow her to twitter or instagram, and here you can get his/her sexy videos.

People will pay for quality for multiple reasons. Some people will be contempt using the free stuff. Others will want all of their favorite content in one place, and will want updates as quickly they can get them. Also, sometimes paysites have other added features like interviews, bloopers, and pictures.

How many clip store models move up to owning their own site?

The problem is the percentage of people who are willing to pay for quality, the time a member stays, the cost of producing quality content, etc.

Much better when they couldn't get it for free.

another used feature of clip stores is they can make custom videos for one person ($50-$150 on average) and if they don't use the client's name they can sell it over and over at a reduced price.

I use to be friends with a girl that cammed on CB and she was top 100 at manyvids when she worked hard and was making like $1,200 per month from MV along with her $200-$400 she would make daily when she cammed. This was in the last 2 years. People will still pay but I think they pay more to the cam/clip girls themselves not paysites

Then there is Indigo White and she just started making customs for 2-3 people per month and charges $100 per min and sold out her spots the last 2 mos since she started making them. She also sells them from her site so she gets more of the money. (I don't think any custom is worth $100 per min haha. As a joke, I thought about asking her if she could rap and how many dirty words could you fit in 30 seconds cause $50 is my budget. LOL)

They don't NEED their own site anymore. If they really want one, then theres model cento etc, but if they are already doing their camming at one place, selling clips at another, selling pics somewhere else, talking direct to fan on Twitter etc, it's not hard to tell people who buy clips - "Chat to me live HERE' or to tell people following their twitter - Hey, Ive got a new clip up HERE' etc etc...

Why would they NEED to do a 50/50 split when they already have Chat / Images / Clips / Camming sorted out WITHOUT a site?

Paul is too old to understand how the game has changed :1orglaugh

Glad you quoted me, as Paul has me on ignore.

But if Paul does read this, what Im trying to say was a site USED to be a place to chat with fans, sell pics, sell videos and do cam appearances... Because you NEEDED a place with a suitable infrastructure in place TO BE ABLE to do this...

Now there are MANY other places, with their own built in traffic sources. So sites are not needed...

oh so he will have to see it if I quote you? haha bet.

But you are right a solo girl can make so much money from many sources like Snapchat and there are websites where you can pay to sext or even call girls (not her real phone or number)

You even see paysites setting up clips stores cause it's the new biz model. People would rather pay for the scene they want to see not memberships.

Amazing how this question keeps popping up on GFY, year after year.

I am tired of stating this obvious example but once more for old time's sake: water is free too but how many people buy bottled water?

I buy Ice Mountain bottled water and also have a water filter for my ice cubes cause I don't like the tap water. Haha but ya some people even go so far as to buy premium water like fiji water or smart water.

But why if it's FREE-E-E-E-E? LOL

To see tiddies!

i wait for the first pornnetflix membership

porn hub already has premium and a lot of people pay for it.

Most do it for thymotic reasons . . .

So are you saying this income has replaced the old way of making money is additional to the old way or the only alternative now that a billion people are on tubes getting free porn?

I have always said that there was a good way for models to make money and keep most of it themselves. The main benefit is doing their own promotion and cutting out the affiliate. Cutting out a good content producer is harder as their boyfriends or a camera on a tripod hasn't got the skills an experienced producer has.

Yes there were sites that had girls chatting to members, exchanging photos, videos, etc. Gspot had one before Snapchat, etc. The problem was paying the girls enough to keep them exclusive. They earned more working as a freelance model, weren't paid enough to answer emails, chat to members, etc. I know girls who were offered these deals and they weren't good enough.

How many girls earn what they could earn in the days before a billion surfers were on Tubes getting everything for free?

Would they be running their own sites if there was no free porn?

The biggest change today is models no longer need affiliates who want 50% +, free content, hosting, support, etc and do little more than submit samples to the sites with all the traffic. That's a huge chunk of their income.

Imagine how much would be sold if there was no taps.

No one is saying no one buys porn. What they are saying is there's nothing to replace the billion surfer getting free porn everyday on tubes.

you still don't get it besides the biggest paysites that are owned by tubes I'd say amateur porn sells better than pro-porn theses days.

CB is my biggest affiliate program these days with a few member sales from time to time. I'd say 60-70% of cam girls sell other things besides just camming.

Clip sites are huge these days. And the people that pay for clips are fans of the girls and want to support them while they still jerk off at tube sites.. Did you see where one girl I follow on twitter Indigo White is able to get guys to pay her $100 per min for customs and people actually pay that much?

Oh look, the literal shitposting account is here schooling Paul too. Just wait until the old man finds Twitch. :1orglaugh

And to answer OP, a lot of good answers are here but another one for you.

I sold 10 cans of tomatoes on eBay for $100 shipped. 10 boxes of $3 popcorn for $130. A $2 pack of gum for $10. Sometimes people don't give a shit about the price and buy what is in front of them, or they are high on Ambien. Who cares?

So the girls working on their own make more money than Met Art, Brazzers, etc. If what you say is true for a few and today with so few pro-porn sites booking models I'm sure they do. Would they make even more money if porn wasn't free? Do they all make great money or a few?

As for 60-70% cam girls selling other things, the ones who work independently may do, not the majority working in studios. No doubt change has happened and the emergence of sites where girls can make a decent living is a great thing. But don't try to tell me it's as big as the porn industry back in the days before everyone gave away so much it is better to take the free option. https://www.pornhub.com/pornstar/indigo-white would she earn more or less if her content wasn't free of tubes?

Don't tell me amateur sells better than pro-porn because pro-porn can also include amateurs. The reason for the decline in pro-porn is the cost of production and ROI.

Porn industry is far bigger than whatever decade you are referring to.

Paul will prove you wrong in a sec . . .

Here's where you can get all the Indigo White porn you need. https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...CA qUQ4dUDCAs

Spo don't tell me the industry is better because of free porn and every girl with her own site is making what porn models made before the online guys decided giving it away was for the best.

But I do agree that girls working on their own make a good income, because cutting out the webmasters taking 50% of the turnover and then demanding everything for free is now going to them. The problem will always be can they move up and shoot something more pro than with the boyfriend or a camera on a tripod? They can definitely do what affiliates told everyone for over a decade that they were indispensable.

There you go :1orglaugh . . .

And guess what? Every single one of those sites linking to that content is making money doing so.

Lil goof. :1orglaugh

Someone that continually cries about how much webmasters make has zero understanding of the industry, marketing, ad buys or anything else related. None.

you don't get it that Indigo makes money off of views at porn hub. When I brought it up like a month ago she had 112 million video views on porn hub and today she has over 120 million views to her videos. I'm not going to try to get into the math like last time but she makes good money for those 8 million views in the last month or so.

Also you miss quoted me in another quote. I never said amatuer makes more than Brazzers. I said besides the top 3 programs that own tubes, amatuer out sells other programs. Also while there is amatuer porn programs I mean the solo girls that make their own videos and sell them on clip stores or off other sites.

What's the obsession with the cumshot? Everyone always goes on about this and some programs used to ban you for using it in promo...

I've never believed that the guys are there to watch another guy jerk off and cum.

it's not about the guy jerking off. It's about getting the girl covered in cum. Also, some sponsors if they show the cumshot they will just show the start of the cumshot then break away to the promo ending so you don't see the big load or the girls smiling as they clean up the cum off her face.

Last thing I want to see is a pretty girl covered in cum while jerking off. Guys are stupid but sponsors are stupider. :1orglaugh

Interesting idea

I'm not saying she doesn't make money from views on Pornhub, would she make more if porn wasn't free? does she get paid for all the views on Tubes?

Indigo White isn't amateur so that idea is blown out of the water. Because she's clearly one of the top earners in the single model self shot category and the real amateurs are a long way behind her.

No doubt she's making money and adapting to the circumstances of today. As are a lot of girls. But as someone who has said free porn loses sales from 1999 you can't deny, now, that I was right. As for amateur outselling pro productions. Search most popular on any Tube to see what's the most popular. Also you won't find solo girl, Indigo White would make a lot more if she was fucked by other girls or guys or a combination.

Would she make more money if she was professionally shot and not shot by a camera on a tripod?

If I'm ever this clueless someone please just put me out of my misery.

Probably not. What you are getting is stuff of her that SHE has chosen to take, in the location SHE has CHOSEN to take it in, wearing the clothing that SHE has CHOSEN and doing whatever she wants to do in the style that SHE has CHOSEN to do it in... You are getting a personal glimpse into HER LIFE.

Why do you think that she needs someone to DIRECT her, to do the stuff that a DIRECTOR wants to see her do, in a sterile studio setting the DIRECTOR has chosen, wearing the clothing the DIRECTOR has chosen, and performing in the way that the DIRECTOR has DIRECTED her to perform in?

That's like telling her that you know better, and instead of the viewers getting a glimpse into HER mind and life, instead we are getting a glimpse into the directors mnd, to see what HE feels he should be doing... The personal connection, which makes her style different to studio stuff, is broken instantly.

Id take her choice of photo everytime over someone else's.

Why do you think she wouldn't control the shoot if she was paying the cameraman?

Why do you think professionals can only work in a studio?

Why do you think she can't direct herself?

Why do you think a camera of a tripod does a better job?

The entire angle of your POV is wrong.

A better argument would be it allows the viewer to believe it's just him and her without anyone else involved. Which for solo girl is an interesting approach but solo girls do just as well with complete control of the content.

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h5d5d77f4308b4 It looks like she is least shot by someone who is changing the angles or a camera on a tripod and she's getting the close ups wrong?

As for amateur, she's a 100 miles away from amateur.

Why does Amazon use affiliates?

eBay?

Nearly every legitimate site on the planet.

"They can just hire professionals. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

No idea. I didnt even click the link to see who we were talking about.

Im really replying to a quote you made in another thread a week or so ago, where you claimed that girls needed to be 'directed' by you, in order for them to fulfil their potential...

Women are also free so why paying for a hooker.

We get it Paul, you're a blue collar, company man. Whether it's the magazine publishers of yesteryear, or the 3-4 large paysite companies left, all you care about is how much those guys make.

The rest of us are the opposite, we all want to make a lot of money and don't give a fuck if there's some huge company that dominates.

I just threw up in my mouth a bit, what a gross visual :1orglaugh Girls smiling with cum on their face is just a niche, and does not represent the majority of hardcore porn viewers. I think producers are too stuck in their own world to realize that.

Just find it funny that 15 minutes of a 30 minute scene is fine, but OMG DON'T SHOW THE POP SHOT

You don't love those gangbang videos where they just continuously creampie the girl one after the other with no cleanup I take it? :1orglaugh