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pm2000 08-12-2020 08:49 PM
covid cure
 
I am skeptical of the new russion cue for covid, what do you guys think?

Rochard 08-12-2020 09:01 PM
I am guessing Russia hacked into the what other countries were looking at for vaccines, copied the most likely candidate, and will be sending that out without being tested.

Good luck with that.

EddyTheDog 08-12-2020 09:20 PM
I'll take mine from the vial as Putin's dose if that's OK....

jamezon 08-13-2020 02:26 AM
if some smartass would put it on sale on the interwebs i sure it would sell better then viagra, even if its from russia

jamezon 08-13-2020 02:27 AM
i wonder why no affiliate program is pulling up shady covid cures anyway, herbal stuff
pills, tinctures... whatever, its anway mostly all fake in this medical affiliate biz

k0nr4d 08-13-2020 03:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pm2000 (Post 22716914)
I am skeptical of the new russion cue for covid, what do you guys think?
I'm guessing it's legit judging from the fact that the western media is slamming it as bullshit immediately after it was announced, without any actual proof but the second Moderna or someone has a candidate it's all over the news and their stocks skyrocket.

There's no money for pharma (and it's investors) in Russia having a vaccine first, therefor the Russian one mustbe untested garbage that will kill everyone that takes it. Much like hydroxychloroquine and zinc, it can't possibly work (despite doctors going on tv on capital hill saying it does), because there is 10s of billions at stake in creating a vaccine.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22716926)
I am guessing Russia hacked into the what other countries were looking at for vaccines, copied the most likely candidate, and will be sending that out without being tested.
Why do you think that? Does USA and UK have scientists but Russia doesn't or...? What exactly makes Russia capable only of stealing someone else's but not developing their own? There is 150 million people living there. They have laboratories. They are able to develop jet fighters, nuclear weapons, anti-rocket systems, spacecraft, cars, medical equipment, but for some reason they can't make a vaccine without stealing it from someone?

NewNick 08-13-2020 03:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22716984)
I'm guessing it's legit judging from the fact that the western media is slamming it as bullshit immediately after it was announced, without any actual proof but the second Moderna or someone has a candidate it's all over the news and their stocks skyrocket.

There's no money for pharma (and it's investors) in Russia having a vaccine first, therefor the Russian one mustbe untested garbage that will kill everyone that takes it. Much like hydroxychloroquine and zinc, it can't possibly work (despite doctors going on tv on capital hill saying it does), because there is 10s of billions at stake in creating a vaccine.



Why do you think that? Does USA and UK have scientists but Russia doesn't or...? What exactly makes Russia capable only of stealing someone else's but not developing their own? There is 150 million people living there. They have laboratories. They are able to develop jet fighters, nuclear weapons, anti-rocket systems, spacecraft, cars, medical equipment, but for some reason they can't make a vaccine without stealing it from someone?

The scepticism from the west is not about whether it works or not - it is about safety.

The reason that new medicines take years is because of the rigorous and lengthy test procedures.

You need to test on lots of different types of people, different blood groups, people with existing conditions etc. Then you have to study the test groups over time to ensure you are not giving them all manner of long term problems. You need to study what happens to pregnant women, what happens to asthmatics or diabetics etc etc etc.

This product has been tested on 80 people. Zero long term studies.




None.


That is why the west is sceptical.

:2 cents:

CaptainHowdy 08-13-2020 03:57 AM
Whatever works (?) . . .

adultchatpay 08-13-2020 05:05 AM
they won versus the USA, again...

k0nr4d 08-13-2020 05:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 22716991)
The scepticism from the west is not about whether it works or not - it is about safety.

The reason that new medicines take years is because of the rigorous and lengthy test procedures.

You need to test on lots of different types of people, different blood groups, people with existing conditions etc. Then you have to study the test groups over time to ensure you are not giving them all manner of long term problems. You need to study what happens to pregnant women, what happens to asthmatics or diabetics etc etc etc.

This product has been tested on 80 people. Zero long term studies.




None.


That is why the west is sceptical.

:2 cents:
But the ones made in the US are being rushed to market too, claiming that they will be available in bulk in 2021. That's not much time for long-term testing either... It will be the exact same shit, but one will be criticized the other will be praised.

just a punk 08-13-2020 06:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pm2000 (Post 22716914)
I am skeptical of the new russion cue for covid, what do you guys think?
I head about it months ago. It was available to the government only (for Putin etc). The people from there say it removes all symptoms of COVID-19 within 2 days.

Russia is very advanced about viruses and anti-viruses. That's related to the military industry (WMDs). The anti-Ebola vaccine was made here.

MaDalton 08-13-2020 07:22 AM
the main problem I see: if it doesn't work you will never hear about it cause there is no free press to write about it if it is a failure.

if it's supplied outside Russia, tested, proves that it works: Great. Honestly.


The funny thing I see:

The same people who claimed Bill Gates wants to poison us with vaccines are now writing thank you notes on Putins Facebook profile.

Truly amusing.

celandina 08-13-2020 07:55 AM
The vaccine is called Sputnik ... the first Sputnik in 1958 gave America " heebie jeebies", now Sputnik will eventually give them the same fright 62 years later...

How funny, an American company ordering the vaccine:" Please send us 20 million Sputniks" :thumbsup:1orglaugh

TheLegacy 08-13-2020 07:58 AM
I still believe that a cure won't be until 2021. Russians I have doubts on simply because their standards maybe lowered just to say they got it out first - the side effects aren't properly monitored.

sandman! 08-13-2020 07:59 AM
it probably works we will see im sure someone outside of Russia will buy it and test it.

just a punk 08-13-2020 08:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLegacy (Post 22717068)
I still believe that a cure won't be until 2021. Russians I have doubts on simply because their standards maybe lowered just to say they got it out first - the side effects aren't properly monitored.
Every military-related thing has high standards in Russia. Yet from Soviet times. As about side effects. Everything has it, even your morning cup of tea...

nikki99 08-13-2020 08:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamezon (Post 22716980)
i wonder why no affiliate program is pulling up shady covid cures anyway, herbal stuff
pills, tinctures... whatever, its anway mostly all fake in this medical affiliate biz
twitter remove tweets of herbal fake cures, happened to Nicolas Maduro

The Porn Nerd 08-13-2020 08:27 AM
Sure let's trust a vaccine from RUSSIA. Hahahahahahahahahaha!

All those Russian and East German athletes back in the day PROVES injecting yourself with some magic juice did wonders for the human body, right?

So if you want to play russian roulette with your own body (see what I did there?) then go ahead. LOL

just a punk 08-13-2020 09:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22717052)
the main problem I see: if it doesn't work you will never hear about it cause there is no free press to write about it if it is a failure.

if it's supplied outside Russia, tested, proves that it works: Great. Honestly.


The funny thing I see:

The same people who claimed Bill Gates wants to poison us with vaccines are now writing thank you notes on Putins Facebook profile.

Truly amusing.
The people confuse vaccine (before you caught a virus) and cure (when you already have it). Russia has both. Vaccine has been already tested on soldiers. The cure... nobody knows who it was tested at, but the people from the government privately say it works... on them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22717076)
Sure let's trust a vaccine from RUSSIA. Hahahahahahahahahaha!

All those Russian and East German athletes back in the day PROVES injecting yourself with some magic juice did wonders for the human body, right?

So if you want to play russian roulette with your own body (see what I did there?) then go ahead. LOL
Dude, Russia has a great history of making biological WMDs and antidotes to them (you can't even imagine which shit was injected in me, when I was a kid, because... when I grow up I'll go to army). Don't want to play Russian roulette? Play with this babe:

https://profile.ru/wp-content/upload...07-782x440.jpg

I believe it will be much nicer to you and your family than a Russian cure, if you catch a virus...

MaDalton 08-13-2020 09:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22717072)
Every military-related thing has high standards in Russia.

just a punk 08-13-2020 09:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22717098)
No dude, food has never been good in the army. You should understand: food is not a weapon, so nobody cares which shit you eat. When I was there I've ate a meat from 1940. For real, I'm not kidding. It tastes like rubber, but nobody has died of that.

As I said, only military things work here. During WWII we had best tanks, best missile systems etc. The best assault rifle. After that we had (and have) best ICBMs (e.g. Satan SS-18). Even the cars. You (as a German) will say that Russian cars suck. And course that's true, but... when you speak about civilian cars. Cars that made for war are different. Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakar_Rally#Trucks - Kamaz, Kamaz, Kamaz...

The Porn Nerd 08-13-2020 10:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22717088)
Dude, Russia has a great history of making biological WMDs and antidotes to them (you can't even imagine which shit was injected in me, when I was a kid, because... when I grow up I'll go to army). Don't want to play Russian roulette? Play with this babe:

https://profile.ru/wp-content/upload...07-782x440.jpg

I believe it will be much nicer to you and your family than a Russian cure, if you catch a virus...
First, thanks for explaining why your thoughts and values and overall mindset is so fucked up. I always wondered why so now we know it's because of all those wonderfully safe cocktails you were forcibly injected with as a child. Explains a lot really.

So you want people to trust the undocumented, unverified and secretive RUSSIAN STATE when it comes to drugs, vaccines, etc? From a country with a known history of communism, dictatorship and cruel Gulag-style concentration camps who has recently been known to fuck with America's elections via the Internet and social media thus further confusing the American population?

Sure broski, here's my ass. Inject away but kiss it first.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22717102)

As I said, only military things work here. During WWII we had best tanks, best missile systems etc. The best assault rifle. After that we had (and have) best ICBMs (e.g. Satan SS-18). Even the cars. You (as a German) will say that Russian cars suck. And course that's true, but... when you speak about civilian cars. Cars that made for war are different. Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakar_Rally#Trucks - Kamaz, Kamaz, Kamaz...
Says the FORMER Super Power. LOL Gee, your military wasn't working so hot during the Cold War when the West kicked your asses. LOL Get the fuck out of here with how everything works so great in Russia.

Rochard 08-13-2020 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22716984)
Why do you think that? Does USA and UK have scientists but Russia doesn't or...? What exactly makes Russia capable only of stealing someone else's but not developing their own? There is 150 million people living there. They have laboratories. They are able to develop jet fighters, nuclear weapons, anti-rocket systems, spacecraft, cars, medical equipment, but for some reason they can't make a vaccine without stealing it from someone?
Sorry, but you cannot compare the technology from Russia to the Western countries. China and Russia is well known for stealing techonoloy from the Western countries. You want to disagree on that?

https://www.buran.fr/bourane-buran/i...uran-grand.jpg

We already know that Russia is hacking our research.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...ccine-research

Again, my guess is that Russia stole research from the western countries, took our best guess, and rushed it into production without the proper safeguards.

I don't mean to bash Russia.... All of my friends in Russia are have cell phones and computers made by US companies using software created in the US.

just a punk 08-13-2020 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22717126)
The USA had 6 shuttles. 2 of them killed the crews. Well done :disgust

Your Nazi researches (the shuttles were designed by Wernher von Braun - the SS officer) suck.

SekobA 08-13-2020 12:22 PM
We shell see.I hope this works,im so tired of this Covid situation

CaptainHowdy 08-13-2020 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SekobA (Post 22717159)
We shell see.I hope this works,im so tired of this Covid situation
Vaccinate the hot girls first . . .

OneHungLo 08-13-2020 06:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22716984)
I'm guessing it's legit judging from the fact that the western media is slamming it as bullshit immediately after it was announced, without any actual proof but the second Moderna or someone has a candidate it's all over the news and their stocks skyrocket.

There's no money for pharma (and it's investors) in Russia having a vaccine first, therefor the Russian one mustbe untested garbage that will kill everyone that takes it. Much like hydroxychloroquine and zinc, it can't possibly work (despite doctors going on tv on capital hill saying it does), because there is 10s of billions at stake in creating a vaccine.



Why do you think that? Does USA and UK have scientists but Russia doesn't or...? What exactly makes Russia capable only of stealing someone else's but not developing their own? There is 150 million people living there. They have laboratories. They are able to develop jet fighters, nuclear weapons, anti-rocket systems, spacecraft, cars, medical equipment, but for some reason they can't make a vaccine without stealing it from someone?
Great analysis and I agree with you 100% but you really need to be careful with your business on here saying things that don't align with the left. They can and will try to destroy you.

pm2000 08-13-2020 07:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adultchatpay (Post 22717010)
they won versus the USA, again...
if this is true, you are right

BaldBastard 08-13-2020 08:01 PM
There's over 100 vaccines in stage 2-3 testing, Russia opted to forgo stage3 testing and announce a vaccine.

Good news is we have had a flu vaccine for 40 years and have truly mastered the making of that now, as you will note no one gets the flu any more..

Miracle cures these vaccines!

OneHungLo 08-13-2020 08:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22716926)
I am guessing Russia hacked into the what other countries were looking at for vaccines, copied the most likely candidate, and will be sending that out without being tested.

Good luck with that.
^ It's stunning how xenophobic the left has become.

BaldBastard 08-13-2020 08:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22717052)
The funny thing I see:

The same people who claimed Bill Gates wants to poison us with vaccines are now writing thank you notes on Putins Facebook profile.

Truly amusing.
Run through the names promoting it on this site ;) As stated, they don't even try and hide it any more...

pimpmaster9000 08-13-2020 09:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22717126)

Again, my guess is that Russia stole research from the western countries, took our best guess, and rushed it into production without the proper safeguards.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

americans truly believe they have some sort of monopoly on knowledge and free thought...russia beats them to space...china beats them to 5G...but everybody is stealing from the USA...

brain washed idiot :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

klinton 08-13-2020 10:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22717307)
There's over 100 vaccines in stage 2-3 testing, Russia opted to forgo stage3 testing and announce a vaccine.

Good news is we have had a flu vaccine for 40 years and have truly mastered the making of that now, as you will note no one gets the flu any more..

Miracle cures these vaccines!
:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

k0nr4d 08-13-2020 11:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22717266)
Great analysis and I agree with you 100% but you really need to be careful with your business on here saying things that don't align with the left. They can and will try to destroy you.
But what if my biggest competitors are Russian? :1orglaugh

Spunky 08-13-2020 11:21 PM
I'd rather wait until a North American company developes it first :2 cents:.

just a punk 08-14-2020 07:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22717373)
But what if my biggest competitors are Russian? :1orglaugh
I know who you are talking about. Yes, the KVS team are Russians ;)

Rochard 08-14-2020 07:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22717127)
The USA had 6 shuttles. 2 of them killed the crews. Well done :disgust
Correct, we built six of them. From scratch. Using our own technology. Russia built one... That was identical to ours.

I'm sorry, but Rusian technology has never compared to technology in the Western world. Telling us that you have a vaccine that you created from scratch and throughly tested tells us everything we need to know... It's impossible, by Western standards, to do this.

This vaccine that Russia has created has only been tested in 76 people.... Meaning... It hasn't been tested at all.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...-press-release

Screwed Up 08-14-2020 08:42 AM
The cure is already here: hydroxychloroquine + zinc + azythromycin

The pandemic has been over for a while now. Sure cases will continue to go up, but barely anyone is dying. Right now in the USA there are more daily deaths from smoking than from covid... :2 cents:

However most likely Sars-cov2 will follow a seasonal pattern, so there will be a new surge of deaths around the 3rd week of October.

k0nr4d 08-14-2020 09:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Screwed Up (Post 22717509)
The cure is already here: hydroxychloroquine + zinc + azythromycin

The pandemic has been over for a while now. Sure cases will continue to go up, but barely anyone is dying. Right now in the USA there are more daily deaths from smoking than from covid... :2 cents:

However most likely Sars-cov2 will follow a seasonal pattern, so there will be a new surge of deaths around the 3rd week of October.
In Poland the number of daily covid deaths and drownings are pretty close...

newB 08-14-2020 09:50 AM
Remember when Moscow claimed they had zero cases of Covid, but an unusually high number of deaths from the flu and respiratory infections?

They'll let people die before admitting they aren't 100% in control.

Not really a slam on Russia, we have people in power over here that are just as culpable.

Deny, deny, deny. What, we can't deny it anymore? OK, it's time to blame someone else then.

Rochard 08-14-2020 09:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by newB (Post 22717541)
Remember when Moscow claimed they had zero cases of Covid, but an unusually high number of deaths from the flu and respiratory infections?

They'll let people die before admitting they aren't 100% in control.

Not really a slam on Russia, we have people in power over here that are just as culpable.

Deny, deny, deny. What, we can't deny it anymore? OK, it's time to blame someone else then.
The United States isn't handling this too well either...

pm2000 08-14-2020 08:48 PM
russia thinks there gonna win, i disagree. the USA will allways prevail because we are the free and the free will allways win. Positive lives

just a punk 08-14-2020 11:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22717486)
Correct, we built six of them. From scratch. Using our own technology. Russia built one...
First of all, who "we" are? Nazis? All the shuttles were designed by a group of Nazi engineers... and killed lots of Americans. The second thing: there are no Russian shuttles. We still send your astronauts to the space by Soyuz rockets, and they are designed in the Soviet Union. And no, there was not one built. We had a few of them. I personally was in one of those (on the ground of course, LOL).

Quote:
Originally Posted by pm2000 (Post 22717731)
russia thinks there gonna win, i disagree. the USA will allways prevail because we are the free and the free will allways win. Positive lives
Yes of course. You won Nazis and took over Berlin, you were fist in the outer space, etc. You win everywhere :thumbsup

Quote:
Originally Posted by newB (Post 22717541)
Remember when Moscow claimed they had zero cases of Covid, but an unusually high number of deaths from the flu and respiratory infections?
When exactly that has happened? I mean can you give us a link to the Russian news that says we have no Covid-19 cases here? Any link. Please.

P.S. We're officially having the Covid-19 epidemic for almost a year.

newB 08-15-2020 08:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22717794)
When exactly that has happened? I mean can you give us a link to the Russian news that says we have no Covid-19 cases here? Any link. Please.

P.S. We're officially having the Covid-19 epidemic for almost a year.
Sorry, you caught me. It was claimed zero deaths and a remarkably low number of covid cases versus a staggering number of deaths from pneumonia. Sentiment is the same.

https://abcnews.go.com/International...ry?id=69717763

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia...ment-1.5500248

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN216305

just a punk 08-15-2020 11:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by newB (Post 22717898)
Sorry, you caught me. It was claimed zero deaths and a remarkably low number of covid cases versus a staggering number of deaths from pneumonia. Sentiment is the same.

https://abcnews.go.com/International...ry?id=69717763

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia...ment-1.5500248

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN216305
These are not Russian news. Yes, for sometime people (and doctors) here didn't know what was a cause of pneumonia, but they found out it very quickly.

Rochard 08-15-2020 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pimpmaster9000 (Post 22717340)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

americans truly believe they have some sort of monopoly on knowledge and free thought...russia beats them to space...china beats them to 5G...but everybody is stealing from the USA...

brain washed idiot :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
This isn't about America being better at anything than anyone else. I am only pointing out the very obvious - We know that Russia has been hacking mulitple studies in the Western World, and also pointing out that Russia's vaccine hasn't been tested...

OneHungLo 08-15-2020 02:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22717373)
But what if my biggest competitors are Russian? :1orglaugh
I guess your fucked! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

pm2000 08-16-2020 05:47 PM
we are all fucked

GFED 08-16-2020 07:38 PM
I heard his daughter just died from taking it.

just a punk 08-16-2020 08:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GFED (Post 22718584)
I heard his daughter just died from taking it.
He has no daughters... as he say :winkwink:

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/avma...6_original.jpg

^ There is written: "Continue escorting non-daughter of Putin".


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