Paysite Revenues
 

I'm curious to see what you guys think.

How many site do over 1M/year ?
How many over 5M/year ?

It's funny when I talk to people in the industry, everyone makes millions. But when you get in a deeper conversation, and actually see numbers, the reality is so different.

Looking forward in reading the answers

On GFY everyone thinks $10k/mo is a lot of money.

Very few paysties make that kind of coin my friend. The few that probably do - Blacked, Met-Art, the various Mind Geek properties - are either very established brands or are tied to one of the big tube sites so they have massive "in-house" traffic.

Otherwise I think if a paysite makes anywhere between $50,000-$250,000 a year you are doing solid business.

You've just realized that ? ?

i cunt a4d2 make nuffin... :(

i think posting Gamma's gross sales per site would give members great insights on the topic.

:winkwink:

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42 seems to be the answer.

VR is on the rise making millions per month

otherwise paysite business is dead. there is no #2 in tech business.

lol, nice try

Very realistic and truthful answer. After production costs, operating costs and taxes, we do usually high 5 figs only. In a good year we hit 6 figures, but low six figs. Covid is good for us. Unless something fucks up we should hit another " good year" in 2020. :2 cents:

lots of niches in the industry are making millions. foot fetish is making millions. tranny sites are making millions. escorting is making millions.

VR is just another niche.

of course, the Quest2 turned my head. i'm learning dev for it...(preordered)

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https://www.sexlikereal.com/blog/pos...he-porn-market

for $299 you get the best of VR. we expect it to be a huge sales driver. like expanding the whole operation

also PS5 + 2nd gen PSVR is coming, currently the most sold headset. Then Apple VR later this year

there's a huge opportunity coming. we are rolling out a bunch of new services to fit the gap

Are paysites really still work these days? I always thought there not many people out there doing that.
It feels like cams and subscribtion is the current way to get massive paying users.
Some numbers would be interesting...what do you think make a top brand?

ya good article.. the Q2 is definitely going to change things..

according to Zuck :1orglaugh

enjoy the growth!

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I know lots of companies that barely get by, and I know lots of companies that are making easily at least $1mil/year. It all depends on lots of things. :upsidedow
A small one-two guy operation took me to Vegas recently, all paid, MGM suite for me, kept handing me money, etc, another company paid like $xx,xxx to take me to Europe for a week. Then there are companies who can barely pay for a new banner.

Those who declare paysites "dead" do not realize just how many paysites are out there. There are tens of thousands.

Sure, lots are close to dead and make pennies, but there are many still active and making money.

I have historical data showing paysites are dropping at huge rate. More are closing their doors than new emerging. It's just data. The industry got greatly consolidated with indy paysites being something unthinkable.

And when it comes to VR industry it could be clearly seen that content proposition only is not enough to engage with the users.

There are like 50-100 VR paysites in total, and you own the biggest one. It's still a tiny niche market compared to 2D paysites.

You own the biggest and most successful VR paysite, of course you're very profitable. There are also tons of failed VR sites who gave up. Market leader is always doing great, no matter what sector.

Market leaders in the 2D paysite segment like Brazzers, Blacked, etc are also very profitable obviously. It's as if Blacked owner came here and started telling everyone that starting paysites is the best business ever.

It's clear that the paysite business is not thriving like 15 years ago, but it's still huge overall and it's not going anywhere. Especially if you count premium tubes as paysites too.

how many of those are still updating at least 1 a month (hint: not many Top VR porn studios | List of the best VR porn studios | SexLikeReal) and are owned by a separate companies?

by the end of the day it's like the whole VR porn industry is 20 companies with some 5 that are actually making some revenues.

Exactly, VR is a small niche. Its overall revenue is tiny if you compare it to all paysites' overall revenue.

I think that paying for premium content is not dead at all... Take a good look at mainstream VOD services. They are on the rise for years. And with the current situation in the world where everybody is bored, I think that paysites will become more popular than ever... And there is a whole generation that likes to show off that they CAN afford some luxury items.

with the only difference that VR makes money and paysites don't. PH and tubes make money, cams make money, paysites don't because only specific content is their only value proposition

I made $3.50 so I decided it was time to move on from paysites. :1orglaugh

There is still money in it but just not as big unless you're huge

42 is always the answer!

welcome back, Colmike!

fyi there's no money in porn :1orglaugh

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Hey man! where have you been lately? :thumbsup

That's wrong, top paysites make tons of money. Bad ones fail. Same as in VR.

Plus there's thousands of paysites inbetween the two, that make just enough money that they're worth operating, even if they're not going to make their owners rich.

Thanks! And I know, I'm still trying to find it :upsidedow

Covid made this year suck so I've been waiting things out, trying to get back into things now. I was going to be an accounts manager months ago, but travel restrictions ruined that lol.

....and it will stay that way since you cannot have sex or jerk off with that "bucket" over your head :2 cents:

Yeah, I think things will be a bit more popular once the headsets become smaller and wireless. It's a hassle to jerk off in VR currently.. Looks great, though, except for a few crappy VR sites with poor quality videos/no 3d. :winkwink:

But.. If the PS5 has better 3d VR support without having to get a subscription to Littlstar, then VR porn might pick up a little more I think.

Exactly this. I run many paysites and my metric is simple: If it makes a profit, even a small one, keep it. Every penny counts.

There are many ways to skin a cat in this business.

I disagree, indy paysites are where small operators can make more money because of less overhead :2 cents:

Zuzana Designs..$10,000 for a design!

Depends on lots of factors, not just site number.

I make 5M/y .... in rubles. :thumbsup

It would depend on the specs of the design and what needed to be done but we have certainly charged that for big builds. We have also built $500 tube sites. Have you ever gotten a quote from us before?

I obviously cannot speak for other paysites, but in terms of my paysite, it's working out absolutely great. I've been running it for nearly 16 years now and it has always generated enough revenue for me to be able to do it full time and for me to be able to pay my mortgage, cover shooting expenses, pay all of my other bills and to have a decent amount of money left over for other things. I think it entirely depends on each and every individual paysite. There are some that do very well and there are some that do absolutely horrible. The content that you shoot obviously matters a lot and keeping the site updated on a regular basis so that you can retain the existing members that have already signed up is equally important.

Acquiring and using successful marketing skills so that the site is able to generate new signups is also very important. There are so many different aspects to making a paysite generate a nice amount of income, and if you're knowledgeable regarding how to implement them into your business, and you shoot content that people want to see and are willing to slide their debit card out of their wallet in order to gain immediate access to the entire collection of content that you've produced over the years, as well as continue to produce on a regular basis, it should do well for you. Establishing your websites name over the years by hitting up the review sites, releasing promo content, advertising, and updating the site on a regular basis are all very important factors, as well as many other things that can be done to generate signups and to keep as many existing members as possible.

Great post!! I remember you from when I started way back when. You were a veteran even then. LOL Glad it's still going strong for you. :)

Living the dream baby!! :thumbsup

This is some great information :thumbsup:thumbsup

I think the most interesting take away is how people project their own failures (or successes) onto the rest of a fairly large industry.

VR guy thinks it's the only profitable thing ever, but there's many pay sites making way more than him in a very profitable fashion. Guys barely making 6 figures thinking it's impossible that others are making 9 figures, etc.

Most of us live in a bubble of our own creation so it's best not to play the Comparison Game (unless you know how to play so you win every time).

This is why I focus on MY definition of success, not what other companies or other individuals are doing. That's a loser mentality and you set yourself up for failure because there will always be someone who has more than you do. So best to focus on what you have and need and what makes you happy rather than comparing yourself to others. :thumbsup

Everyone I know has moved to onlyfans :2 cents:
https://nichepornsites.com/directory...liate-program/

As long as my wife and the IRS aren't mad at me, I'm sleeping like a baby. :winkwink::1orglaugh

In that order? LOL :)

Yessir. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

JOEL are you on a hunting trip again? :P

Of anybody in this thread, Joel, you have probably the juiciest info... Spill the beans! Haha.

Yes Joel should have opened with some numbers :pimp