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ilnjscb 11-22-2020 10:55 AM

Do invisible links work for SEO?
 
So I, as an SEO amateur, imagine that if I stick an invisible link to one property "A" on every page of another "B", where there are roughly 20,000 pages that get 500 pageviews/month each (this is all rough math because I'm lazy) that it will somehow help my SEO for website "A".

Literally, a link, that the user can't see. Does this help at all? If not, are there any automated things that require no user interaction that can?

Thanks peoples :thumbsup:thumbsup

And I'm not talking about invisible join links either

King Mark 11-22-2020 10:58 AM

Def not for google. I suggest not doing it.

ilnjscb 11-22-2020 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Mark (Post 22777507)
Def not for google. I suggest not doing it.

Thanks - should I make them visible? What is the minimum that works?

King Mark 11-22-2020 11:08 AM

Im far from a "seo expert" and don't even deal with that stuff anymore, I focus on social media.

I couldn't tell you about minimums and all that. I'm inclined to believe that these days the seo game is about relevance, "new content", user experience and being mobile ready more than minimum amount of links.

ilnjscb 11-22-2020 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Mark (Post 22777512)
Im far from a "seo expert" and don't even deal with that stuff anymore, I focus on social media.

I couldn't tell you about minimums and all that. I'm inclined to believe that these days the seo game is about relevance, "new content", user experience and being mobile ready more than minimum amount of links.

Very appreciated. Hopefully some others will chime in.

WiredGuy 11-22-2020 02:18 PM

No chance this works in 2020, this would fall under the color-contrast ratio, it needs to be 3:1 for small text or 4.5:1 for everything else or you can expect those links to be disregarded. See this page for reference: https://web.dev/color-contrast/

And if you're wondering if they actually do use this, yes, right from their API that I just ran (in my case I passed their test):

'color-contrast' => {
'id' => 'color-contrast',
'score' => 1,
'weight' => 3,
'description' => 'Low-contrast text is difficult or impossible for many users to read. [Learn more](https://web.dev/color-contrast/).',
'title' => 'Background and foreground colors have a sufficient contrast ratio',
'details' => {
'type' => 'table',
'headings' => [],
'items' => []
},
},

There's about 200 other factors to consider, but in this case, hidden links will no longer work.
WG

TurboB 11-22-2020 02:22 PM

How about invisible content ?

I am running 1 site with <div style="visibility: hidden"> in <body>, correctly formatted 1000 words.

ilnjscb 11-22-2020 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 22777638)
No chance this works in 2020, this would fall under the color-contrast ratio, it needs to be 3:1 for small text or 4.5:1 for everything else or you can expect those links to be disregarded. See this page for reference: https://web.dev/color-contrast/

And if you're wondering if they actually do use this, yes, right from their API that I just ran (in my case I passed their test):

'color-contrast' => {
'id' => 'color-contrast',
'score' => 1,
'weight' => 3,
'description' => 'Low-contrast text is difficult or impossible for many users to read. [Learn more](https://web.dev/color-contrast/).',
'title' => 'Background and foreground colors have a sufficient contrast ratio',
'details' => {
'type' => 'table',
'headings' => [],
'items' => []
},
},

There's about 200 other factors to consider, but in this case, hidden links will no longer work.
WG

That's it, then, as König Marke has pointed out. So I have to make them visible and macro the text in somehow automatically. Perhaps I auto URL every mention of a certain word, or maybe the first one. Thanks for posting this.

baddog 11-22-2020 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smeklinis (Post 22777639)
How about invisible content ?

I am running 1 site with <div style="visibility: hidden"> in <body>, correctly formatted 1000 words.

:1orglaugh

redwhiteandblue 11-22-2020 03:29 PM

Is this thread for real? Maybe I'm back in 1999 and 2020 was all a bad dream!

Pink24 11-22-2020 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue (Post 22777680)
Is this thread for real? Maybe I'm back in 1999 and 2020 was all a bad dream!

No, GFY did not post a thread from user ilnjscb asking if invisible links work in 2020.

Relentless 11-22-2020 04:45 PM

They work really well.... in 1998

Colmike9 11-22-2020 05:01 PM

Remember back in the day when no matter what you searched for, you'd get some porn results that made no sense? That was invisible links/text doing their magic. That stopped long ago. :upsidedow

The Porn Nerd 11-22-2020 05:17 PM

Paul Markham needs to way in on this issue.
Wasn't he the king of the magic join links?

Pink24 11-22-2020 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22777724)
Paul Markham needs to way in on this issue.
Wasn't he the king of the magic join links?

i used to love the 1px x 1px iframe.

Mr Pheer 11-22-2020 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smeklinis (Post 22777639)
How about invisible content ?

I am running 1 site with <div style="visibility: hidden"> in <body>, correctly formatted 1000 words.

Oh yeah that works. Google can't read hidden content, not at all. Put this on all your pages and watch your SEO have quick results.

ilnjscb 11-22-2020 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue (Post 22777680)
Is this thread for real? Maybe I'm back in 1999 and 2020 was all a bad dream!

Sadly, yes, as they say in Gilbert & Sullivan my knowledge on this subject has "only been brought down to the beginning of the century"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pink24 (Post 22777696)
No, GFY did not post a thread from user ilnjscb asking if invisible links work in 2020.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 22777702)
They work really well.... in 1998

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 22777709)
Remember back in the day when no matter what you searched for, you'd get some porn results that made no sense? That was invisible links/text doing their magic. That stopped long ago. :upsidedow

Got it, Got it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22777724)
Paul Markham needs to way in on this issue.
Wasn't he the king of the magic join links?

I already mentioned him - I'm actually worried about him I hope he does pop in

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pink24 (Post 22777741)
i used to love the 1px x 1px iframe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 22777773)
Oh yeah that works. Google can't read hidden content, not at all. Put this on all your pages and watch your SEO have quick results.

Yes, even I have dumb questions sometimes. But I don't use SEO tricks and thought I'd ask. No thoughts on my solution, to add the URL to the first few instances of keywords? Or is that 2003?

Mr Pheer 11-22-2020 11:41 PM

When you build sites for google, build for a good user experience and you'll do ok. Even link out to other sites that people commonly link to without a ref link. Post pics with real meta data. Link to things that google owns, like youtube videos and Google docs. Google loves itself and pages that link to it.

When linking from almost any social media, build a good page that is SFW. No nudity, no adult descriptions, but link that page to the dirty shit. Then you're 2 clicks from porn, and that's pretty safe.

There's a lot more but I don't give it away.

NatalieK 11-23-2020 06:55 AM

Back in 2005, listed across the top of the header, above the image, the same color font as the header backgound color, listed, dogging, outdoors, Natalie K , porn blabla bla...

seemed to work back then, but hey, 2020, would google still pick up these words for seo, i´d have said yes, i don´t see why seo shouldn´t :2 cents:

ilnjscb 11-23-2020 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 22777912)
When you build sites for google, build for a good user experience and you'll do ok. Even link out to other sites that people commonly link to without a ref link. Post pics with real meta data. Link to things that google owns, like youtube videos and Google docs. Google loves itself and pages that link to it.

Good guiding principle

Thanks man - I have pretty good traffic, I'm just trying to optimize, ineptly, if the comments here are any guide.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 22777912)
There's a lot more but I don't give it away.

Of course not, I appreciate the advice.

ilnjscb 11-23-2020 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NatalieK (Post 22778037)
Back in 2005, listed across the top of the header, above the image, the same color font as the header backgound color, listed, dogging, outdoors, Natalie K , porn blabla bla...

seemed to work back then, but hey, 2020, would google still pick up these words for seo, i´d have said yes, i don´t see why seo shouldn´t :2 cents:

Apparently not to hear these gents tell it in their inimitable fashion

CurrentlySober 11-23-2020 08:23 AM

I made a good chunk of change with a similar method to 'hidden text' back in about 06 / 07. Here's how it worked.

I signed up at the 'meatcash' affiliate program, which if you remember were very 'extreme' sites for the time - 'Meat Holes' and 'Piss Mops' etc... I then downloaded the page that was 'Sites you can promote' which was graphically showing the sites in a pre made professional way. I then replaced all the links with my affiliate links, (cloaked) and stripped all the other metadata out of the screen. As it sood, there was no reference to anything at all, no text, no image names, nothing. Just the grid of sites with my links in it... For all intents and purposes an empty page with no descriptive text at all.

Then I googled 'Extreme Porn' - 'Banned Porn' - 'Illegal Porn' - Corrupting Pornography' - etc etc... You get the idea, then took large chunks of text out of the top three results that google gave me. These results were not stes promoting this type of pornography, but complaining about it, rallying against it, and trying to get it banned in the UK etc etc...

I saved all this text and mixed it up a bit and then added it below the images with my links. I left a bit of space first, then posted my text, nicely formatted using paragraphs and indents and all spelled correctly etc, including all the relevant anti porn links to government entities and national newspapers etc, under the images and links in a slightly different shade of blood red than my actual blood red background.

It seemed to work, because google did not seem to see my images, but did read the text that was underneath, so to google, I was a site that was actively campaigning against extreme pornography. I was an 'anti-porn' site, in google's eyes...

As such, after a while, when someone typed one of my originally searched phrases, I was right up there at the top, sometimes above the legitimate antoi porn sites that I had swiped and manipulated the text of, and I started getting A LOT of traffic !

Naturally, when you search 'extreme brutal porn' that's what you are looking for, and these days, its what google will give you, with page after page of pornhub links, but back then, it assumed that you wanted to be against it, so it served my site instead !

All my text was on the graphics so unreadable to google and all it saw was my 'anti porn' text that went on for ages and ages, but the real people just say a girl getting 'Fished Hooked' while some dude took a piss into her gaping asshole...

I made a pretty penny back then... Thus ends my trip down memory lane to 'The Good Old Days...' :1orglaugh

sandman! 11-23-2020 11:01 AM

Not for years

baddog 11-23-2020 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 22778065)
Apparently not to hear these gents tell it in their inimitable fashion

Listening to her doesn't seem like the brightest idea.

ilnjscb 11-23-2020 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 22778070)

I made a pretty penny back then... Thus ends my trip down memory lane to 'The Good Old Days...' :1orglaugh

So this idea came and went before I ever got on GFY, 13 years ago.

LOL nice, I'm actually worse than the guy who came on here a few days ago wanting to copy OnlyFans. At least he was apropos.

Colmike9 11-23-2020 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 22778186)
So this idea came and went before I ever got on GFY, 13 years ago.

LOL nice, I'm actually worse than the guy who came on here a few days ago wanting to copy OnlyFans. At least he was apropos.

Don't feel bad, everyone thinks about doing it at some point. :upsidedow

ilnjscb 11-23-2020 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 22778214)
Don't feel bad, everyone thinks about doing it at some point. :upsidedow

We don't deserve Colmike7, do we?

Now I'm trying to figure out how to write a dynamic URL under the first instance of a dynamic keyword

OneHungLo 11-23-2020 05:56 PM

There's no such thing as a stupid question.

EddyTheDog 11-23-2020 06:55 PM

Just to be sure I have this correct - Invisible links are a no go?..

:helpme.....

InfoGuy 11-23-2020 07:12 PM

If you don't want your visitors to see keywords on your pages, you can add long lists of keywords to your keywords meta tags. "Pamela Anderson" is a gold mine for SEO, but don't share that secret with anyone else.

RyuLion 11-23-2020 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 22777638)
No chance this works in 2020, this would fall under the color-contrast ratio, it needs to be 3:1 for small text or 4.5:1 for everything else or you can expect those links to be disregarded. See this page for reference: https://web.dev/color-contrast/

And if you're wondering if they actually do use this, yes, right from their API that I just ran (in my case I passed their test):

'color-contrast' => {
'id' => 'color-contrast',
'score' => 1,
'weight' => 3,
'description' => 'Low-contrast text is difficult or impossible for many users to read. [Learn more](https://web.dev/color-contrast/).',
'title' => 'Background and foreground colors have a sufficient contrast ratio',
'details' => {
'type' => 'table',
'headings' => [],
'items' => []
},
},

There's about 200 other factors to consider, but in this case, hidden links will no longer work.
WG

There you go!! Thanks for this WG!

ilnjscb 11-23-2020 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 22778417)
Just to be sure I have this correct - Invisible links are a no go?..

:helpme.....

That's my takeaway too, from reading between the lines :1orglaugh


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