MindGeek Facing $600M Class Action
 

Lawsuit numbers approaching 1 billion soon. Maybe more to come. Their days of reckoning appear to be upon them.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/pornhu...er-child-porn/

Thats gonna hurt. Just the legal defense is gonna hurt. Hope they got their lube ready.

I sued Dunkin' Donuts once for $750 million because my blueberry donut didn't have real blueberries in it and I am allergic to non-blueberries.

All I got was a coupon. :(

Used it! :thumbsup

lol get fucked braindorks

Play with the bull long enough and eventually you will get the horns!!

I'm not the ethics police or anything, but your post seems a little flippant considering the suit is about a 12 year old (and other minors) being raped and the videos uploaded to PH who then allegedly ignored her pleas to have the videos taken down as they made huge profits from them.

Not really something to be making fun of imho

NOT making fun of the allegations but rather the amount of the lawsuit. People can sue for absurd amounts but that does not mean the allegations are true or worth what they are asking.

Of course I do not want to see people being abused, raped or taken advantage of.

The narrative that they're "profiting massively" off of sex trafficking, child exploitation, etc, is dangerous for all of us in adult and is being deliberately cultivated by the people who want to shut us ALL down.

99.999% of their revenue comes from legitimately-obtained content or garden-variety pirated content. not sex trafficking or CP or any of that.

Some day when they're coming after you, they're going to point at the one piece of objectionable content they can find on your site and spin a narrative that you "profited massively" off of it.

They can't shut you down or show damages if they can't show there was enough money involved for anyone to care -- hence, you "profited massively" from illegal content.

After reading quite a bit about it...the amount of the lawsuit is not out of line IMO.

They skirted around the law by claiming no responsibility since the child porn, violent crimes against women and children (maybe men I haven't read that yet), spy cams etc are all user uploaded.

I mean some fucking person has got to be responsible.

They've already come after me. They came with all guns blazing. I defended the entire adult entertainment industry online at a cost of tens of millions of dollars. I warned "them" that they were trying to take down the most legit company in the space, and that if they succeeded, there would be an explosion of child-porn.

"They" could not find a single thing wrong with me or my enterprise in the end. But the damage was done. My company was innocent but destroyed. Everyone in adult entertainment lost because of it. We have never recovered.

When I was doing it right, circa 1996-1999, we all enjoyed the most profitable phase in the history of our industry. When I got wrongly taken out, revenues for everyone plummeted and has never recovered.

But they couldn't find a single instance of us doing anything that they could prosecute.

So don't tell me about profiting from the rape of a 12 year old being defensible because that's the worst thing they could find. Pornhub's business model enabled this kind of thing to take place. They could have prevented it - we certainly did. We invented technology that is still in use to find and remove child porn almost the moment it had been uploaded (We called it "Cleanet" and that's still the standard).

Anyway, we shall see what happens, but if the allegations are true, then shame on everyone involved.

The User Uploaded loophole has been the safe haven for ALL the tubes, not just Mind Geek properties. No this is a money grab, inflated because of publicity and notoriety. Where is the lawsuit against other non-US tubes? So if they win against MG/PH then all their videos are taken down off the web or are they still easily findable?

I applaud the changes PH and other tubes are making to clean out offending videos and making Users be verified and only working with us Content Partners. In the end this will help our business by streamlining and cleaning out the pirates and criminals. A safer, cleaner porn world will attract even more customers.

There is no safe harbor for illegal content. DMCA provides safe harbor only for possible copyright infringement claims and only under certain conditions.

Pornhub isn't making money off CP. If pornhub gets taken down they will come after you next. They won't stop till all porn is wiped off the internet. I'm not a fan of PH but if they lose it's going to be bad for everyone.

It could result in regulation of online porn and the requirement of user/age verification, so all porn content would be put behind a gate. This would be great if applied in the US, Canada and EU.

Make all porn accessible to verified members only. All pirated content would be removed from these sites since every uploader's account would have to be verified and no thief is going to reveal his identity.

I believe tubes getting bitch-slapped is good news for the industry, especially content producers.

Hell, its what allows YouTube to still exist. I don't understand how people don't get it.

So explain how a company can remain under safe harbor law for copyright AND moderate illegal content at the same time?

As far as I understand, any automated process of moderation is OK with DMCA, but any type of manual, pre-publishing steps would void any DMCA protection.

So unless they find a perfect algorithm to detect illegal content OR stop looking at videos that users flag as illegal, I don't see how they could be liable.

The big ones are the ones that matter. If you take them down, all the little ones follow suit.

Don't sue on principle, you sue for money, and they happen to be one of the biggest offenders. Allegedly.

Yes - but do you want to be one of the "little ones" who follow suit?

:upsidedow

This breaks my fucking heart.

That's indeed the scary part.

Yet I believe it's a good thing for the industry to finally get a "wake up call" because some industry leaders have been running shady businesses for so long that they believed they could run it forever unpunished and continue pushing the borders of legality.

All that while indeed 99.9% of the content on tubes is legally produced by consenting adults, and that it is that content that 99.85% of visitors want.

Allowing illegal content on tubes is not a business model, it's mainly being lazy about moderation and about tools that can be put into place to keep the content visible legal.

The Visa/MC ban must serve as a lesson for us all.

And keep in mind that ultimately there's more money to be made by keeping the adult industry clean and legal on the long run.

Youtube doesn't let CP go onto it's site or even any porn. So how do they do it and porn Tubes don't?

This is down to greed and their attitude that anything goes. I hope they get dragged through court on this and a lot more follow.

Then porn will go offline and people will make a lot more money.

VISA/MC holds the cards. Sites should have to pay to get verified and keep getting verified to get processing.

If you don't self-regulate you only have yourself to blame.

Happy to see you, sir.

I'd much rather be the little one right now following suit and cleaning up my shit, than to be PH, right?

I have no dog in this fight...unless they start attacking freedom of speech it makes no nevermind to me. It's actually GOOD for me if I'm being honest. My niche blogs have skyrocketed.

I already follow the guidelines of what images should and should not be on the website, but because I'm selling an aural fantasy...I just don't fall under this attack thankfully.

We kind of do no? What are the visa/mc fees that come each year? Registration fees right? I know my merchant company checks my website periodically.

They have never said anything to me, but I know that they do.

The problem is 3rd party billers like CCbill etc...it would really be their responsibility to check the content no?

There are a few people on another board who process through this one guy, and they can't really say too much on their website. Ageplay, race play etc, not allowed to have any of it.

I have a client (that is infinitely smaller than PH) that uses AI to scan all photos and videos for CSAM. If it finds one, it blocks it from being broadcast. It then goes to human moderation for review.

DMCA is a completely different system. It has nothing to do with CSAM content.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

That's not what I meant. What I mean: first they came for the big tubes and I said nothing. Then they came for the smaller tubes and I said nothing because it did not involve my business model. Then they came for the ad companies, then the paysites, then the dating sites and still I said nothing. They came for the cam sites and still I said nothing.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak up.

This is a back door (analized?) attempt at taking down ALL porn. They will not stop at PH.

I don't know if this class action will happen or not, but it sets a dangerous precedent for all porn and entire internet for that matter. This opens up pandora’s box in so many ways.

1. What about facebook and social medias?
I personally know people that had their nudes shared there and there were dire consequences. Will they get compensated by facebook? How can one even get that wheel going with a class suit, a small person with almost no money? I'm 100% confident that facebook ruined way more lives than entire porn world combined. Upload pic, tag someone. There you go.

2. Yesterday, video popped on xhamster, amateur porn with a girl that I know. Title was: first name second name sex. It got removed quickly but it had 500+ views, which probably means it will forever float around online. Username of uploader is a fake one. Class action? Where does she sign up?

3. It is statistically known when teens start having sex. They all got full hd or 4k phones with them. Majority likes to show off. They find ways to enter adult clubs, they’ll certainly find ways to upload stuff online. Is this a porn issue or parenting and cultural one?

4. 99% of amateur porn at some point becomes revenge porn. People like to show off but they also reconsider and regret, thus opening the door for a lot of legal battles. This is solvable only by shutting down all amateur porn bits online: tubes, dating sites, everything. Only studio stuff allowed.

5. How is decided if it was consent to upload or not? Even when fully verified. What if someone changes his / her mind? (We've seen it happen. I don't like Harvey Weinstein but fact is, chicks banged him for money and career and only after that they decided that they were pressured and raped)

6. What about the next step, rough example, sites like facialabuse and similar?
(all it takes is one big newspaper writing about humiliation and degradation and crying and how the girls are probably financially pressured or even with mental problems and so on). Contracts and model releases won't help. Class action?

7. What about blacked? I sincerely doubt any girl enjoys getting triple boned by 3 endowed black guys and so on. All it takes is a heart breaking interview about her financial or even addiction struggles and how she had to do it... and voila, class action incoming.


Like Porn Nerd said above, if this wheel starts going, it isn’t stopping so easily.
#cancelculture

Well said :thumbsup

People are acting like the Internet Police are "stopping piracy" and the Big Bad Tubes that took your traffic 13 years ago are finally getting what's coming to them... Next all porn will "have to" be behind paywalls and every moron with an angelfire account can go back to falling into tons of money.

This isn't that. A religious organization trying to oppress sexual expression across the board scored a win on a high profile target for PR reasons.

You should all not be celebrating, you should be terrified.

No sympathy from me. I don't care what anybody says, I'm cut from the cloth of "kiddy diddlers get dealt with by any means, no excuses!". Same for their sympathizers.

All that other shit 🤷 better start adapting... legal porn aint going anywhere. It's constitutionally protected in America.

With every idiot in the world having fast internet connection and camera these websites have turned into the online wild west using the "user-generated content" excuse. Website operators must be responsible for what is published on their sites as long as they can control it. And they can, just look at Pornhub reviewing every single new upload.. nice! Now make it a law.

Same for hosting companies - if I show them proof that they provide a hosting service for a thief stealing my content or publishing personal data without my consent they should be obliged to close his account, cause they have much more power to prevent the damage than anyone else.

It was about time that something like this happens and I am surprised it has been tolerated for so long. Time to set strict rules, so honest people (users, producers and models) have their rights protected.

That's not the result of religious groups, they just take advantage of the situation.

:2 cents:

I sued edison and got 800K :thumbsup

Damn. OK donuts are on you! :thumbsup

how is covid in asia?

not so sure the powers that be care one way or the other about porn and victimization. they are going for the money via big ass fines that they can steal by distributing in sneaky political ways. no way are the politicals going to allow visa/mc or the church to shut down the gravy train..... the mussies on the other hand....:helpme

not so sure the gennie can be stuffed back in the bottle :2 cents:

lol!!! after legal fees etc the 800 got lots smaller, 27%, but I can afford some donuts. bought a car (2020 cadillac ct6 v), a truck (gave the truck to the daughter) and van (I love the van!!!). dropping about 20K into dental. Ill use a little to start a cool farm and give the rest to my daughter for a house downpayment. not getting any more photo gear. even bought a laptop, no more big ass video files or large image files to process. ever :thumbsup

nah, just gonnas give some cash to biden and it wll all go away :2 cents:

They started asking producers for a custodian of records address which will be publicly accessible. All those solo models and couples who according to some locals earn tens of thousands of $$$ are gonna like it for sure :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

...especially those that live in some conservative shithole and those who don't tax this income :winkwink:

I see some popular channels got deleted already. I thought that those amateurs were gonna take over the whole porn production (according to some idiots here).. oh no... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. They will simply use a 2257 service from the US, or an adult-friendly law firm. No one has to expose their residential address unless they want to.

This is a good thing, and it will help combat cases where someone was coerced into filming (which is known to happen in ghetto productions) or wasn’t even aware it would be sold publicly. As such, it can only help PornHub, its creators, and its users.

Are there many adult friendly law firms in Russia? :1orglaugh

And how many of those amateurs do you think have the records (licenses, model releases, copies of IDs) and are ok with providing them to a third party?

BTW, yes it is a good thing.. specially if most of these "producers" shooting porn with phones in some shithole countries are going to get controlled and reveal their identity. LOL

oh wow........

You would use an English-speaking, and adult-friendly law firm from abroad (or honestly, just any 2257 service, it's not that expensive), and not in Eastern Europe.

It may seem a little shady, but it helps shield everyone from unwanted PR if pornography is frowned upon.

I will agree that a lot of those amateurs probably have next to no documentation apart from maybe an ID. But it shouldn't be sold regardless without a legal contract set in place.

If anything, I expect PornHub to start offering a proxy service for creators living in risky countries anyway. A small monthly fee for a peace of mind! :thumbsup

I don't think that many amateurs from countries where porn is illegal (or borderline) hiding their faces in those videos are going to be ok with doing the paper work for their 200 scenes and providing their sensitive personal data to some third party "service" abroad, so authorities can inspect them. But who knows... :winkwink:

Maybe this will bring out more American sluts who want that sweet amateur rev! :thumbsup

How do you figure?

Well in 1972 Paul knew a guy who made a lot of money selling magazines.

This will be battle of monies