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LAJ 04-15-2021 12:33 PM

Join YNOT & attorney Corey Silverstein for a very important Webinar April 19 Re: Mastercard
 
You may have heard the news by now that Mastercard is further putting the screws to our industry.

Just this week, the Senior VP of Franchise Customer Engagement & Performance for Mastercard announced that the company is extending its “Specialty Merchant Registration requirements” such that banks which “connect merchants to our network will need to certify that the seller of adult content has effective controls in place to monitor, block and, where necessary, take down all illegal content.”

What do these broad restrictions mean for legal adult businesses and content creators?

Please join YNOT for a legal webinar with industry attorney Corey Silverstein of Silverstein Legal about this very hot topic.

Monday April 19, 3:00pm ET / noon PT

Please join us on the YNOT Zoom and share this link:
https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/regi...RbKrhY1lKz4bNw

RyuLion 04-15-2021 07:55 PM

I'll be there!

celandina 04-16-2021 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22846411)
You may have heard the news by now that Mastercard is further putting the screws to our industry.

Just this week, the Senior VP of Franchise Customer Engagement & Performance for Mastercard announced that the company is extending its “Specialty Merchant Registration requirements” such that banks which “connect merchants to our network will need to certify that the seller of adult content has effective controls in place to monitor, block and, where necessary, take down all illegal content.”

What do these broad restrictions mean for legal adult businesses and content creators?

Please join YNOT for a legal webinar with industry attorney Corey Silverstein of Silverstein Legal about this very hot topic.

Monday April 19, 3:00pm ET / noon PT

Please join us on the YNOT Zoom and share this link:
https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/regi...RbKrhY1lKz4bNw

Simply stated: " Pirates and thieves god bye" :thumbsup

pornguy 04-16-2021 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 22846827)
Simply stated: " Pirates and thieves god bye" :thumbsup

Nahhh. Just further under the table.

Until Visa MC Domain registrars get together and do something nothing will happen. And if these people are not accepting Visa MC directly it most likely wont effect them

They get paid for traffic more than sales.

NALEM 04-16-2021 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 22846841)
Nahhh. Just further under the table.

Until Visa MC Domain registrars get together and do something nothing will happen. And if these people are not accepting Visa MC directly it most likely wont effect them

They get paid for traffic more than sales.

Absolutely this ^^^. Sites publishing illegal and unlicensed content may not be able to process credit cards, but they can still generate a ton of traffic for their advertisers, and can redirect traffic to those sites which are made to be in compliance with the new rules.

MakeMeGrrrrowl 04-16-2021 08:35 AM

Seems like common sense.

Have licensed content on your website, and not user uploaded and all will be fine.

But these sites they are targeting, don't sell anything. They get paid by people advertising. So I'm not sure how that will work.

SpicyM 04-16-2021 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl (Post 22846874)
Seems like common sense.

Have licensed content on your website, and not user uploaded and all will be fine.

But these sites they are targeting, don't sell anything. They get paid by people advertising. So I'm not sure how that will work.

Exactly. :thumbsup And the new copyright directive in EU will force tubes to have licenses :thumbsup

https://www.article13.org/best-of

Too bad it's focused on the big boys like YT and not sure how it is going to be enforced. If they made webhosting companies responsible for compliance of their clients it would be a big win as almost all of these thieving tubes host in EU, so they enjoy European servers to commit crime while being hidden in their Russian shithole.

LAJ 04-16-2021 11:00 AM

By all means please feel free to join the webinar and ask some hard hitting questions in the chat. We will do what we can to address them.

StoneSolid 04-16-2021 11:24 AM

Fellas, check out the newest NYTimes article about xvideos, and specially check out the examples the author uses

"Many videos depict rapists, real or fake"
"One on XVideos is captioned with a girl’s protest: “This is not right, Daddy, stop, please.”

And the article also links to some british study that analyzed big tube sites on word usage basis and found "one in eight titles of videos are sexually violent or nonconsensual" (they can analyze music or holywood movies that way too for that matter...)

Shortly said, we can all be (maybe) happy that pirates will have a harder time...
...but this will keep rolling. I predict next ones to be cancelled are fetishes, bdsm, facial abuse kind of sites... all that with more and more protection methods, verification, allowed word list, approvals.. etc.

TLDR:
This is bad for all of us and it will be worse.

StoneSolid 04-16-2021 11:34 AM

One more small addition...
I'm against rape and exploitation but the big porn victims that they mention are really interesting.
In this latest xvideos article, bombshell story is a teenage girl that sent her nude pics to a teenage boy... and gee whiz, he showed it to his friends and it got spread around (including xvideos) so her life is ruined.

This is negative on so many levels.
Do anything, blame others - that is how I see it.

Once again, real rape is something completely different.

But there should be a clear difference in RAPE vs REGRET

SpicyM 04-16-2021 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StoneSolid (Post 22846956)
Fellas, check out the newest NYTimes article about xvideos, and specially check out the examples the author uses

"Many videos depict rapists, real or fake"
"One on XVideos is captioned with a girl’s protest: “This is not right, Daddy, stop, please.”

And the article also links to some british study that analyzed big tube sites on word usage basis and found "one in eight titles of videos are sexually violent or nonconsensual" (they can analyze music or holywood movies that way too for that matter...)

Shortly said, we can all be (maybe) happy that pirates will have a harder time...
...but this will keep rolling. I predict next ones to be cancelled are fetishes, bdsm, facial abuse kind of sites... all that with more and more protection methods, verification, allowed word list, approvals.. etc.

TLDR:
This is bad for all of us and it will be worse.

Time to make every site owner responsible for the content on his own website. Fuck those excuses and blaming it on user uploads! If you wanna take user uploads, then be prepared to take responsibility for any illegal content. Simple as that.

:2 cents:

Rochard 04-16-2021 12:58 PM

I mentioned this to my wife and explained it briefly... She asked if Mastercard was concerned about all of the clothes and shoes we buy from China and if any child labor laws were violated... And if Mastercard is concerned about them.

Ferus 04-16-2021 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 22846973)
Time to make every site owner responsible for the content on his own website. F

:2 cents:

It's fairly easy to fingerprint video and images, and if content-providers wanted to, they could make a central database for ALL content. But they wont, because they are making to much money with illegal traffic.

I was involved in a project that led to a final solution National Geographics use now. It's based on AWS own image and video analysis solution. If you like Google better, you can use their service as well. Strip the video into 120 second clips if you want, and it would still spot it based on the full source fingerprint.

You should automate the billing process with the domain registrar, so if the siteowner dont pay the copyright fee/fine after you find illegal content on the site, the domain is handed over to you, or parked at a domain-parking page, where the income will be split between the copyright holder and the domain registrar. There will be a lot of problems to begin with, but in the end we could push the scammers back into the shadows - because they will never completely go away

Ferus 04-16-2021 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22846980)
I mentioned this to my wife and explained it briefly... She asked if Mastercard was concerned about all of the clothes and shoes we buy from China and if any child labor laws were violated... And if Mastercard is concerned about them.

They spend millions sourcing data about Slavery and Human Trafficking from external partners, so yes - they are very aware of it, and actuelly do more than most. If the UN did half as much with the same budget, the world would be a better place

ruff 04-16-2021 10:17 PM

When I read about this, I immediately thought this will be another point in favor of adopting crypto payments. That, I believe, is coming sooner than later.

Major (Tom) 04-17-2021 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22846980)
I mentioned this to my wife and explained it briefly... She asked if Mastercard was concerned about all of the clothes and shoes we buy from China and if any child labor laws were violated... And if Mastercard is concerned about them.

We can't speak ill on chy-nuh

Major (Tom) 04-17-2021 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruff (Post 22847136)
When I read about this, I immediately thought this will be another point in favor of adopting crypto payments. That, I believe, is coming sooner than later.

Yea and crypto is one of the easiest ways to trace you. The digital foortprint is public

Major (Tom) 04-17-2021 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferus (Post 22846983)
It's fairly easy to fingerprint video and images, and if content-providers wanted to, they could make a central database for ALL content. But they wont, because they are making to much money with illegal traffic.

I was involved in a project that led to a final solution National Geographics use now. It's based on AWS own image and video analysis solution. If you like Google better, you can use their service as well. Strip the video into 120 second clips if you want, and it would still spot it based on the full source fingerprint.

You should automate the billing process with the domain registrar, so if the siteowner dont pay the copyright fee/fine after you find illegal content on the site, the domain is handed over to you, or parked at a domain-parking page, where the income will be split between the copyright holder and the domain registrar. There will be a lot of problems to begin with, but in the end we could push the scammers back into the shadows - because they will never completely go away


We need to be careful cheering on more regulation. But I suppose we’re all biting the pillow like David Hogg when it comes to V/MC

LAJ 04-19-2021 10:06 AM

Reminder, this is today, a couple of hours from now. Be sure to register ASAP as space is limited: https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/regi...RbKrhY1lKz4bNw

vdbucks 04-19-2021 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22848166)
Reminder, this is today, a couple of hours from now. Be sure to register ASAP as space is limited: https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/regi...RbKrhY1lKz4bNw

Will this be recorded and made available for streaming? We won't be able to make it to the live meeting due to the time it's taking place.

Evil Chris 04-19-2021 10:32 AM

Bump for a reminder.

LAJ 04-19-2021 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 22848169)
Will this be recorded and made available for streaming? We won't be able to make it to the live meeting due to the time it's taking place.

Unfortunately not. It's starting in one hour.

Rochard 04-19-2021 12:05 PM

This is happening right now kids.... Very important if you run a pay site.

StoneSolid 04-19-2021 12:27 PM

Here is a question that pops to mind...
Friend just sent me a dropbox link with 5 vids of knauf party so to call it.
You can google it via "Ontario construction workers stripper"

Allegedly, it resulted in job losses... beatings... even a heart attack. Lots of tragedy.

There is nudity in the vids so we can definitely label it as porn-ish.
Needless to say, participants DID NOT consent to it being shared anywhere, yet it went pretty much viral.

So the question is...
Will MASTERCARD suspend all file sharing websites?
Or even worse...
Will MASTERCARD make them review all files before sharing, which effectively means that someone will be looking at private files, pics, videos, whatever?
Will each file sharing involve a ton of paperwork?
Then furthermore...
Who is responsible for data leaks, security breaches, intrusions on private stuff?


This whole thing is nonsensical to say the least.
If only adult sites are affected, it is hypocrisy deluxe.

RyuLion 04-19-2021 02:48 PM

Thanks for the zoom meeting Jay! It was very informative!!
Also thank Corey and the rest of the team for their time!

PorcoRosso 04-20-2021 02:09 AM

Damn I missed it, thanks for making it happen Jay and Corey, we need more gathering around crucial topics with experts invited. Specially in these weirdly troubled times.

vdbucks 04-20-2021 06:22 AM

Does Anyone have cliff notes for those of us who couldn't make it?

ruff 04-20-2021 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 22847417)
Yea and crypto is one of the easiest ways to trace you. The digital foortprint is public

Any kind of financial transaction leaves a trail. Why would I be worried about being traced?


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