Stripchat funds a piracy network involved with doxxing
 

I am a camgirl and I have worked as an affiliate marketer as well for many years. I am working with an attorney and a group of 17 cammodels to find a solution to this problem. What you are about to read is probably the most sketchy behavior on the part of the sponsor I have personally seen in this industry and I am hoping that, by exposing this publicly they will finally decide to do something about it, and I also hope to alert all other affiliate marketers so they think twice about working with this sponsor. Here is the deal:

In 2016 a piracy site popped up, a "porntube" dedicated exclusively to pirating camgirl content. In time this website has grown into a network of multiple sites. Piracy is not a new issue, we know, the biggest problem we have with this network isn't the piracy but the fact that the webmaster is willing to do almost anything to gain notoriety. This is a network of "porntubes" that rely on "user uploaded content" but we know he is behind a big chunk of the network's uploads. Several videos on the site have doxxed the models in them by posting personal details of the models on the descriptions: their real legal name, address, phone number, links to family facebook accounts, etc, the doxxed girls have gone through dangerous (and in one case life threatening) situations because their information including their address are exposed on that site. The webmaster ignores emails asking to take those videos down and for a while hosted a Telegram group where he himself and users of the site made fun of the doxxed girls.

On top of that there is the piracy issue. What we normally do is use the appropriate channels by getting our DMCA agents to send requests to the sites that host our content illegally and almost every site out there complies.. and if they don't their server does. But not this network. His sites are hosted on a bulletproof offshore server that ignores emails and we can't do anything to take down any videos. A model had a boyfriend upload their personal videos as revenge after the breakup and they were impossible to take down. That's when we started to target the sponsors and over the past few years we have gotten several sponsors to kick this affiliate off their programs. The network is now permanently banned from these programs/CPAs:

Chaturbate
Bongacams
Flirt4free
Exxoclick
Popcash
CrakRevenue

All we had to do in each case to get his affiliate accounts terminated was write politely to the sponsor explaining the situation because once it is clear this website is pirating content and non DMCA compliant no decent sponsor keeps them in their programs. There isn't a website out there willing to become liable to protect an affiliate's illegal activities, or so we thought.

Enter, Stripchat. Stripchat which I am ashamed to say it is a camsite has been the only sponsor so far that has ignored every email sent by our attorneys, every email sent by us, models, and by some of their own performers and has continued to fund this website. Stripchat banners, pop-ups and pop-unders are on each and every one of his network's sites as they are the sole sponsor they have left. We thought because of the volume of an affiliate program that big it was impossible to keep track of the activities of each individual affiliate and that is why their banners continued to be displayed on the network. So our attorneys sent polite emails, cease & desist emails, us models wrote to them ourselves, including some of their own performers, but they ignored every single email, every single message since December.

So last week we decided to go public and asked them for an explanation on a camgirl forum. See image below

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Their rep gave the most bizarre reply... that the affected models who are working as Stripchat models should send them links to the videos they want to get taken down from this network and they would try to manage those. In essence saying they wouldn't terminate the account:

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Several models complained about the repsonse because nobody was expecting to get such a response from a site that has all our personal information... to keep bankrolling a website that doxxes and steals from your own performers is probably one of the least ethical things i have seen a sponsor do online in my 10 years working as an affiliate marketer.

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Stripchat, the site that should be taking care of it's own performer's safety, that has in a database the IDs, addresses, phone numbers and bank information of models is funding a website known for doxxing and stealing from his own camgirls and other camgirls too. When confronted about it their response was that they would help take down its own models pirated content... meaning they would continue to allow this network to doxx, steal and profit from models who aren't signed up for Stripchat and stealing content from their competition: Myfreecams, Chaturbate, Streamate, etc.

The rep then replied saying they are launching an invastigation on each and every site they are hosting to see if there is piracy because they will have a zero tolerance policy towards it... but while this long and seemingly neverending investigation takes place the banners and pop-unders continue to be displayed in this network and Stripchat continues to receive traffic from our stolen content and doxxed information.

We are now posting this here hoping to accomplish several things:

1) To show Myfreecams, Chaturbate, Bongacams, Streamate... etc... Stripchat competitors ... how Stripchat is making a profit and gaining traffic from their stolen content. I can't find the reps for Myfreecams and Stramate (if there's any) if anyone could link them it would be ace

https://gfy.com/members/punker-barbie/
https://gfy.com/members/bongacams/
https://gfy.com/members/paul_bongacash/

2) To show any affiliates working with Stripchat through their own program Stripcash or through CrakRevenue how unreliable, untrustworthy and shady this company is that they are the only one willing to continue to work with an affiliate like this knowing this network is putting the lives of their own performers in danger. A sponsor like this will not bat an eye at doing other shady shit like shaving your earnings or closing shop and running away with 1 or 2 pay periods worth of affiliate earnings. You better put your hard work, energy and time into working with any of the other trustworthy sponsors who terminated the account immediately upon learning what the nature of the affiliate was.

3) To ask Stripchat one more time to terminate this account before we focus our attention on getting Epoch and Paymentico to reevaluate their relationship with this company. So Stripchat: terminate this affiliate account. I am not going to link to the websites here because there is sensitive information in the description of many videos, and because it is unnecessary since you already know what site we are talking about. Terminate the account and make sure they cannot open a new account using the same information (ban his legal name, payment methods as well as his websites).

Post the piracy site url here.

cliff notes?? No one has time to read all that BS :2 cents:

the site is camwhores.tv, most likely owned by securom, who is a member here.

Lili, I thought your name was familiar, for those who don't know the background, here are a couple of links pertaining to this issue from the past

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...whores-tv.html

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...egal-site.html

in the latter thread Bonga did the right thing and terminated his account, I hope stripchat follows their lead

@Lili, I wish you and all those affected the best of luck in your fight against this site

Yeah, just as I expected, another link partner of that asswipe ThePornDude ... how surprising.

Ooh that problem.

Mhhh I am more occupied with the problem of how models take affiliate traffic, gear it to other platforms where we get paid NOTHING. That really bothers me.

The site and the admin are cancerous. Shame on Stripchat indeed.

He's been through most cam sponsors and a bunch of spy shit. The admin speaks Russian, so ...

Shocking... :1orglaugh

Very. :P

You should ask user ThePornDude to provide any contact information on this site owner, since he does business with him. Ideally his PP or Paxum accounts (if he has one of those), then try to contact him and if he still doesn't give a fuck, try his payment companies - tell them that a criminal is using their services... long shot, but worth a try. :2 cents:

Good luck.

Sheesh...

1. Cam girls have had their stuff uploaded to tube sites and have also been doxxed.

2. Strip chat & Crakrevenu have ignored their demans to stop doing business the pirates

That's not what I read...

What are the odds Lili has her affiliate link in her cam model bio asking visitors to sign up for a new account?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:thumbsup:1orglaugh:thumbsup good one

I honestly only browsed your post, OP, but I've seen this happen before with huge paysites appearing on overtly pirate sites (and I'm not counting "oops, we didn't realize our ad network placement goes on piracy" plausible deniability excuse, but actual hard links) and at the end of the day, most likely the paysites in question have decided the money they are making from appearing on these pirate sites outweighs all other negatives. It's extra crappy if it's your content being upload without permission. You can DMCA for it to appear again, you can complain to the paysite and they'll launch an 'investigation' that may at best result in YOUR content not appearing for awhile, but as long as the pirate site generates more $$$ than trouble, they'll probably still work with them.

You're right and I apologize for the mistake. It's a wall of text and I guess I got
a little confused. (Confusing me is easy to do on the best of days)

The good news on this front is card associations may soon start taking a closer look at affiliates of paysites and if those sites appear to be engaging in illegal activity, it could result in processing issues for the paysite in question if they continue to promote there.

You sound like you are new to this and you need to learn how affiliate cookies work. Any models with their affiliate link in bio are doing affiliates a favor, any member who signs up through a model's bio will be credited as a signup for the cookie of the original link they clicked on. That's affiliates 101. I wonder if you were sent to derail this thread by one of the affected parties cause you are unfamiliar with how this works.

And I forgot to add Camsoda to the list. They also severed the relationship with the affiliate as soon as they learned of his illegal activities. They were very polite about it too.

Depends. Is it "first cookie in", or "last cookie in"?

Many affiliate programs are "last cookie in"

Chaturbate is first cookie without an expiration. So unless the model asks new signups to clear cookies before clicking the signup goes to the affiliate who sent the user to CB and not the model.

I've been pushing cams since 99 when streaming was java push. Evidentally its you who doesn't understand what's going on with models stealing spenders. Models on CB are asking visitors/spenders to clear their cookies and resign up under their affiliate code. As Ravo pointed out, not all cam sites are "first cookie".

Models get all worked up over a site profiting from their videos and likeness but have no problem stealing spenders from another affiliate.

For the record, I agree with your efforts to cut all revenue streams from CW in an effort to get him to shut down the site. However, if you get one of his affiliate accounts banned he's simply going to keep rotating in new ones. The doxxing of models by CW is ridiculous, post what info you/others have on the site owner.

Derailing the thread first and then shilling for the Russian lowlife and his pirate network :thumbsup are you doing this for free?

There aren't enough sponsors to curb our will, he has done enough damage and we are prepared to get all his affiliate accounts terminated from here to the end of times, not to mention fucking up his main domain which is next on the list.

I have a porn news/gossip site. ( https://steelehard.com/ )

Anyone that wants to have their side of this story published can contact me.
I promise to be fair and non-judgemental.

That is pretty harsh. I did not read shilling in there at all. As far as derailing the thread, you are talking about trying to take down a pirate because they are cheating/stealing from/doxxing models. If you check around you will find a lot of discussion about here about models on chaturbate stealing from affiliate webmasters and what can be done about it. Perhaps, in our thought, that is very similar to what you are talking about as it adversely affects us.

To dismiss the affiliates here out of hand does not help your cause. Most, if not all of the legitimate webmasters here would be on your side in your endeavor but to treat their concerns as less important than yours does you no good.

I wish you success in getting the pirate gone. If I come up with any ideas I will let you know. I have a stripcash account but I have never pushed any traffic to them so I have no clout to offer you.

Good Luck.

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Nice story. There is a place and a time for each concern. There are threads about models stealing from affiliates and that discussion should be held there, not here. When you bring concerns that have nothing to do with the OP you are derailing a thread. So let's keep this thread's direction where it belongs: on Stripchat funding this piracy network that doxxes models and steals from their competition and how Epoch and Paymentico might be interested in knowing about that.

30 hours ago their rep claimed on the camgirl forum the affiliate account was terminated on Sunday. See screenshot.

However, nothing has changed. The ads, popups, banners, etc continue to be active, referring piracy and doxxing traffic over to Stripchat, they are allowing the tools/pictures to load on this site, the redirects to work, and so they continue to profit from this illegal traffic, they keep stalling because they don't want to do what they know they should do which is to deactivate the images/tools and break the links so the traffic goes to google or somewhere else.

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It can all be discussed in any thread and me simply bringing this topic up is not derailing the thread or Russian shilling, whatever that means. I brought it up because the relationship between affiliate and cam model right now is as contentious as I've ever seen it and you seeking support from webmasters is going to come with some hesitations as a result of it.

There are a few of us who have been around the block and could offer you some guidance on getting your goals accomplished at a much quicker rate, but your aggressive dismissive attitude doesn't exactly endear us to wanting to help you.

Your fight with models is your issue. I am not a part of that discussion and I am not a spokesperson for Chaturbate models so I don't understand very well what this has to do with me or this thread. I am here because I have an issue with a Stripchat, a sponsor and his relationship with one of his business partners and I am asking for an explanation as well as making the community at large aware of how shady and untrustworthy this sponsor is so each person can choose whether to put their effort and time into promoting a sponsor that cannot be trusted. Do with that information what you will. Your relationship with Chaturbate models, the perception some affiliates in here have of them, etc, are none of my concern and are better kept in the Chaturbate threads. That said, you didn't exactly come into the thread from a neutral place, or wanting to give guidance like you say... you came in here with a pitchfork for no reason and now complain about me being dismissive.. perhaps don't bring fire if you can't take the heat.

Before this guy set up this site (and the bunch of others he owns), ironically most of the camshow private shows used to turn up on forums, where they could be downloaded from file sharing sites by anyone.

This guy seemed to corner the market by getting cam addicts to share their recorded shows with a privacy option, where only people they friended who were members of the site could see the videos. A whole lot more content got shared among the addicts who obviously share there.

The admin only put videos shared as non-private visible to general surfers. And he also posts those on other sites he owns. Most seem to use same script he pays for. He obviously does that so he gets more videos shared from users than he otherwise would.

Security was not great on the coding and some guys put bypasses to his private video sharing on the net. A bunch of other pirates downloaded all the private videos he had there for a couple years and put them available free on their own sites.

Think he finally must have got the security holes patched some time back. Obviously, all those videos his users think they are sharing privately will sometime end up public. Site owner will probably monetise that option when/if all others are exhausted.

They have tried many ways to take him down over the past 3 or 4 years. Last one I remembered was going after his DNS. Even that admin seemed to think whoever did it had got him. Site was down for about a week or something before he found an alternative solution.

Hopefully, you can take out his last sponsors. Then he'll move back to spyware and selling traffic to people who don't care where it comes from. Lastly, if you ever get that far, he'll squeeze the last pips out of all those hundreds of thousands of private show videos.

Considering the amount of companies/studios/individuals he's pissed off - many in a little wild west countries - I'm kinda surprised noone's paid him a personal visit yet.

Your real problem is google et al. Doesn't matter how many million DMCAs you file, search most any camgirl name and you will find this site or one of its sisters on page 1 in web or image search. That's where he needs crushing most.

But what do google say?

There was a very specific reason and I tried to explain it to you and the correlation to your issue. It is you who seems you have a hard time taking a little heat.

I'm just curious, if you indeed had the site owner's Bonga account banned in 9/2016, why was he still earning revshare almost 18 months later? https://www.gfy.com/22206559-post2.html

Was the letter you sent him 5 years ago true or made up in order to scare him? I ask, because the attorney info you listed was fictitious. https://www.gfy.com/21147400-post60.html

The piracy issue with this site which is what some models are concerned with (others are more concerned with privacy and having their information leaked, and others are concerned with how this site bypasses geoblocking so their streams are now available in their tiny town they thought they had blocked in their preferences) the piracy issue with this network and especially with established models with a community behind them is once a fan of a model finds this site they never again need to purchase content from her or even use google to fish for it, they simply befriend each other on that piracy site and go back day after day to get access to everything the model does because no matter what paywall she sets up for a piece of content, at least 1 out of the bunch will purchase and upload. And they all know this so those who used to buy her stuff now pass because they know it's a matter of waiting 30 minutes and finding it there for free. You see what the problem is? Models are losing their communities, not because they are tired of the model, but because this piracy network makes it possible to continue to be a fan and a part of a community but away from the model who is at the center of it, and instead of giving back to her by purchasing her content and being part of her shows, and putting money in her pocket and the pocket of the camsite and of the affiliate who first introduced them to the camsite she works on, instead, they are not spending, keeping their money in their pockets, and clicking on the jerkfest of banners this lowlife is lining our videos with. All financed by Stripchat.

So when one of you sees one of your whales is dropping from your Chaturbate affiliate account stats... instead of raging against models "stealing affiliates" consider it is just as likely that this whale found this piracy network and has decided to stop spending since he can now get everything he wants for free.

If your scenario was true, then the pirated site owner wouldn't be making any money from his cam affiliate links since all the content was right there already for the visitor. The overwhelming majority of spenders on a cam site do so because of the live interaction they can have with the model, something they can't achieve on a tube/video site.

Since you've been battling this site's affiliate accounts for 5+ years and it's still doing the same thing, have you tried any alternative avenues? I realize that going after his hosting is most likely pointless, but just curious what [email protected] had to say?

Sure, I'm very well aware of the problem. Marketing cams is the largest part of my biz for a long time. So obviously I keep a close eye on all things which affect it Many of the other guys/girls you are chatting with here are exactly the same. They would like to see the issue gone as much as you.

Your analysis is slightly wrong. The real cam addicts and whales are not the ones lost from sites like these. Those guys pay a lot of money for "personal interacton". They might watch some other guy's private show, but that is not what they want. They spend their own money for their own "dynamic/relationship" with the model.

You/we are losing out for sure from the more casual spenders, who just wanna see flesh and more of a particular model ... and don't give a shit if she's showing it to them or someone else. I'm not saying that's chicken feed. It's not. There are significant losses.

We'll probably never ever stop sharing of private shows. Cam addicts guys have been doing it ever since cams have been around. They did it on forums, free for anyone to download, before this network appeared.

The problem this guy created is scale. Forums mainly shared really popular girls and didn't totally flood out google search. The addicts found them.

This guy built a business model which encouraged guys to share their precious private shows (which otherwise they wouldn't have done openly) behind a veil of "privacy" ... friends only share. As you know, virtually every girl under the sun gets shared and the sites totally swamp SE results.

We've all seen all the ignored DMCAs and takedown URL lists. But nothing changes in google and other SEs. The domains do not get blacklisted. Google serves up users with what they want ... which is free porn.

How his sites manage to withstand a landslide of DMCAs, but never get delisted (like smaller sites would) is the issue.

The bums who have taken up permanent residence at his sites you will mostly never get back. Future spenders are the issue ... And do google et al actually care at all about piracy in adult? Doesn't look like it. They could strangle this guy's profit margins in no time if they wanted.

I don't think they care about 'do no evil' when it comes to adult. But I've been wrong plenty of times in life. Could be again.

Get all you girls together on your cam model forums, write a nice letter signed by a few hundred of you, find the right person to send it to at google and ask for an official answer why they let pirates beyond the reach of DMCAs dominate their search engine results. Even add you might like to include the answer in a news release you'd like to send to various media about the issue.

There's plenty of business media where a bored features writer would like to get his teeth into a juicy "Why does google reward internet pirates so well?" yada yadas.

Try a little girl power. Can't hurt.

Bingo. I think the cc issue that shut down Porn Hub billing is a bonus for those of us whose content they have stolen over the years. It is billing that will curb this shit. But it has to hit those selling traffic, which it will. Interesting, that now all of a sudden cam girls are getting hit hard and only now are they reaching out for "help". Well....maybe a little too late?
Been there. Done that. Got too many pirate t shirts.

Nobody cares about 𝗉̶𝗂̶𝗋̶𝖺̶𝖼̶𝗒̶ anything until/unless it affects them. You can see in this very thread, someone publicizes an issue because it affects them, other people grind their own axes in reply, and the OP gives zero fucks and says they should post elsewhere.

Zero solidarity.

If there was, if brains outweighed greed or desperation, cam performers would organize and operate their own mega cam site and starve all other sites out of existence. Give each model a minimum share per period for appearing for X hours, plus whatever they make on top.

A site for cam models, by cam models. That's socialistic though, and we all know socialism sucks, until we fall on harder times and suddenly have no problem at all with it.

Capitalism is what works, as threads like this and the half decade long Chaturbate epic definitely keep illustrating: fuck everyone else for your "goddamn percentage", then expect someone else to care when you have a problem.

TL;DR: Nobody gives a fuck about anybody, because nobody gives a fuck about anybody.

When I worked as an affiliate only I didn't get to have first hand experience with the account holders and the information a sponsor gives us about the accounts is very limited, on CB specifically we don't know a thing about the accounts after they sign up beyond the packages they buy. Then I became a model and have a fuller vision because I now understand very well what happens after the signup and how the money flows and why. I know what users do on the site beyond what simple observation will tell me. So I want to clarify what I was referring to:

I was talking about CB affiliate whales, the accounts at the top of your spenders list. When starting or when you are a small affiliate these top spenders can make up over half your total income... in time if you have good traffic and work smart you no longer rely as much on these whales because the smaller accounts become the larger portion in proportion to the top spenders and that makes your income stable and predictable, but for some affiliates these top spender accounts are extremely valuable because their income depends on them. And when one stops spending they see a big big hit in their earnings, panic and start looking for a scapegoat to pin their sorrows to, but we will come back to this point later.

That's what I was referring to when I said "whales". To affiliate whales, the top spenders not in a camgirl's room but on your own spenders list. And those accounts sometimes belong to a model's whale, and behave like you so eloquently described, but not all the top spenders are camgirls whales. This is easy to miss when you aren't a model because from observation all you see is the attention whores. A camgirl's whale is always boisterous and extreme... you enter a CB room and you see [12902] next to a user's name and you think "damn, this man just spent someone's entire salary in one night. I wonder who the lucky affiliate is grabbing that sweet revshare" you can come to think this is the whole of the land, but no. There are users who can spend just as much as your average camgirl whale but they aren't doing it in a specific room, or for "connection". There are users who are quite addicted to the content and the shows. They spend all day on a camsite joining ticket shows, spying on privates, tipping for content, getting their own private shows, or for Lush. These spenders are much less discerning of where they spend, they can have some 20 favorite models and are very open to new experiences and different girls.

When you see a name at the top of your spenders list who is spending a bunch you don't really know what he is doing on the site. You don't know if this is a camgirl's whale infatuated with her and tipping her through his eyes for the connection... or... if it's one of those users who have too much time and disposable income and an itch to scratch. There are even top spenders dedicated to a single model or a couple of models who are also obsessed with collecting her stuff.. picture sets, show recordings, videos, they want to have every single thing she puts out. You don't get to see these other patterns because the first one, the guy who is addicted to shows, is never going to be a notorious presence in a room, he isn't tipping for the ego boost, and with the collectors, they will tip for content all the time, but again, are unlikely to become a room's king or to boast that [12901] tag next to their username so they are easy to miss.

The reason I brought all of this up though is because the affiliates who tend to be very vocal against Chaturbate models for stealing their signups don't really know why their affiliate whale stopped spending. They figure he must be a camgirl's whale, because this is the only pattern they see, and then they imagine the camgirl convincing their whale to make a new account under her affiliate and that's why they got hit with this massive loss of income. Losing half your income overnight can be very disconcerting and stressful and finding someone to blame for it helps process what happened, the problem is they don't have that information, they are going by a hunch because they don't know what happened. And while affiliate stealing is definitely a thing, don't get me wrong, and it sucks, I despise models who engage in this too because they also steal MY affiliate accounts... it isn't as widespread or as common as they believe. Chaturbate support will issue warnings to cammodels who ask "clear cookies before making an account with my link" on their bios, and if you get a warning you cannot stream until you fix the problem.

There is an issue though with these affiliates who complain of stealing, and they all tend to be small affiliates, new to this, and from Eastern Europe and it's the fact that they don't mind having huge information gaps and reaching for conclusions, they run with those as if they were a fact. And then, they don't bother to understand how the cookie system works so you see them pointing fingers and posting screenshots of models bios who are not asking anyone to clear cookies, simply posting their own affiliate link in their bios.. they accuse them of stealing, make a huge fuss over someone placing a banner on their bio, calling them names, making CB support crazy with daily emails asking for consequences for these models, when they aren't doing anything wrong and if they cared to understand how the cookies work they would know that if a model gets the users to signup without clearing cookies first, they will be credited to the original affiliate which means, even if the user creates an account with a tag, say: "C_myaccountforyou" for Clara, his affiliate % might not be going to Clara because they had a cookie in already that belonged to someone else, I don't even think models realize this :1orglaugh as an affiliate and as a camsite it's better to have models actively pushing for singups because it does work, and to get them interested in doing that job you have to promise them a piece of the pie. Everyone benefits from models pushing the product.

And lastly... this goes to the people on this thread asking me to be more sympathetic with the affiliate's plight: I am also an affiliate. I was for years before becoming a model, and I know the success of a site depends on the work affiliates do. If a camgirl can turn on her cam and make a living it's because of the traffic the affiliates bring to the site. So I do believe it is very important for affiliates to be able to earn a living doing this and get the credit for their work and the compensation they deserve. However, there are many affiliates out there who believe this is supposed to be passive income and that lifetime revshare means they will be perceiving the earnings as long as they live. And they are very surprised to find out every single account has a shelf life, nobody can sustain that level of spending for long. Some might stop spending because a model stole them, but others get a girlfriend, or pick up a new hobby, reach their CC limit, burned through their retirement fund or their second mortgage, or piled on enough debt they don't have anything left after paying for the interest, or the model they were a whale to retires so he has no reason to spend on the site anymore... there are as many reasons as you can come up with and then there's the ones who used to spend a fuckload but found camwhores.tv and no longer need to spend a dime. That is why as an affiliate you have to continue to bring traffic to a website because spenders have a life cycle and they will never last a lifetime, and the right approach when you lose your biggest spender is to brush it off and work twice as hard, instead they spend their time obsessing over CB models bios and calling them ugly fat token whores here.

But again, I don't want to derail this thread with stuff that has little relevance to the topic at hand, I don't want this discussion to move to a different topic and let Stripchat off the hook, they need to address this and remove their ads from the affiliate's network.

this thread is going nowhere and should go nowhere. Millennials!

Perfectly summed up

This thread can be closed!

You sound old, go invest in stocks or something.

Meanwhile for anyone interested in talking about issues other than Stripchat funding a site that doxxes models we can do so over here:

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...l#post22864932

Very similar case, even made it to some mainstream news sites is thothub.ru, now thothub.to

Takes one second to see it's 100% purely pirated content but I see banners from bongacams, a popup from Stripchat and a whitelabel from Flirt4free

In their 2257 section they even state that for questions concerning the age of the models, you should just contact the ORIGINAL site where the content is coming from. I think camwhores . tv does the same.

I'm sure your lawyer could get the beneficiary info from affiliate programs via a court order if they really tried

Hi Lili,
I read your detailed reply ... can see you're still passionate about the issue and naturally have your own first-hand experiences that you think webmasters/affiliates don't quite understand.

I can assure you many of the people who answer you know the cam business inside and out. There are names on this thread involved with studios who see every single aspect of the spenders on their 'girls'. There are programs like cambuilder f.ex which let even basic affiliates see exactly which models their members spend on ... and they get to learn there are whales who spend on only one ot two girls and there are whales which spend on hundreds of girls.

Just personally, I've had a guy who has spent almost half a million bucks on one lesser pushed sponsor over several years. The guy could have spent that money on a ton of high-class escorts and had real sex. I'm sure he's aware of that too. He didn't ... cos he likes the cam experience. Or maybe, he's so flush, he did both.

But anyway, I digress ... Guess I'm trying to say, try to avoid getting in to a battle here over who knows more about the cam business from what perspective. Many webmasters will also *cough* have had personal relationship/s with girls who cam which vicariously let them learn about your at the cliff face experiences too.

Assume that both sides - you and us - know a little bit about what butters our bread and there's more chance for you to get ideas and cooperation. There are a lot of people here with a lot of skills in a lot of fields, not just affiliate marketing. Some will have ideas that might help.. ;)

Yes, the adult biz historically - for understandable reasons - tends to keep its head down and not want to attract media attention. That road leads only to trouble etc.

But the times have changed quite a bit - at least in the serious press. The coverage of the whole onlyfans story was pretty even-handed recently and dealt with ostensibly as a business story.

Porn is a legal, big business which still accounts for a major slice of internet traffic. Why leviathans like google choose to ignore pirate sites blasted with takedown notices is a legitimate question ... IF the business reporter is aware it's an issue. I wager good money they don't. I also wager good money most won't care what google does with their adult SERPs, one way or the other.

But 'Why does google support internet porn pirates?' is a juicy headline some journo will be happy to wet his whistle with. What's google's answer gonna be? We only delist the little sites which get takedown notices.

Oh, what about the huge sites that get thousands of takedown notices a week?

Ah well ... we let them take page one of our results forever and a day.

Oh, why's that? What happened to 'Do no evil'? Because it's the adult business it doesn't count?

We're just giving our customers what they want ...

What's that?

Free porn.

You mean, 'stolen' porn?

Um ...

This is legal business. Even if it changes nothing, those sort of questions merit some sort of answer. And it'd be interesting to see how the tech giants justify something I don't think they would allow in mainstream.

That pretty much sums it all up . . .

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Looks like Stripchat gave him the boot. Now he can Go Fuck Himself :)