My daughter wants to do porn!
 

This is a serious post, no bs. I found out from her boyfriend that my 18-year-old daughter is considering doing porn.

It?s not really a surprise to me, as she takes after me all the way, daredevil, non-conformist, experimental, etc. When she was 15 I found her Yahoo web site, which was loaded up with suggestive pictures of her and a girlfriend, together and alone. I didn?t say anything to her at the time, as I knew it was just play. She is actually fairly conservative and I know for a fact never screwed around, never did drugs, drank, etc.

She is drop deal beautiful (although looks like about 14) so I have no doubt she?d be loaded with work.

According to her boyfriend, the primary impetus is money. She has always lived an opulent lifestyle, and we have been trying to put the brakes on that somewhat the past couple years to teach her some responsibility. But I still cave in all the way every time she cries and says she HAS to have something ? last week it was a $7500 horse.

I?m torn here between laying down the law on this, and being flexible. What I mean by that is, allowing her to do up to Playboy-style and even helping get her started, or just saying flat out fucking no and then wondering what she is doing behind my back.

The thing that worries me is, I have shot tons of 18 and 19 year old girls. Every one has told me that 99% of the photographers out there hit on them or do some other weird thing, in fact most told me that I was the *only* guy shooting movies who wasn?t an asshole or a perv. Even besides that, the extra money of girl/girl or something that is calling her like a siren.

I don?t look down on girls that do porn or anything; I just think that the rewards don?t measure up to the risk. My daughter starts college this fall, and I just think life would be a hell of a lot easier as a brain surgeon or a lawyer or something.

So, let her do Playboy style or just say no?

And? if your only comment is to ask her email address, GO FUCK YOURSELF!

looks like you failed.

You can lay down the law from here to chicago if she wants to do it she will, the more you will try to block her the more hardcore she will go.

Shes 18 let her do what she wants and because you know this business point her in some places where she can read for herself the truth about what this is all about.

Uh, OK.

So now you have some moral issue with porn when it relates to your daughter? The best thing you can do is just talk with her and explain to her how it really works and take all the glamour out that she might perceive and tell her the truth of what she will end up facing. Such as it won't be long until some guy is offering her extra money because she's so desperate for money that she's doing DP and getting fish hooked.

You might as well go with it,if you don't that will make her want to do it more.At least if she tells the truth you can look out for her.
I know that it will be hard,whatever you tell her.





:2 cents:

Say no. People push the limits all the time and suddenly you'll see her do stuff you really don't think she should be doing but there's nothing you can do then.

Check this out, Im 20 years old, I think your daughter should stay out of porn but she'll do what she wants. I have no comment on that. I do have a comment on the photographers being pervs. Im a new camera man and owner and I will be doing shoots from now on and I do not hit on the talent and would never consider trying to get with them. So don't categorize all the photographers/video people as being desperate.

edit: i didnt realize you had 19 posts you're prob fake .

EscortBiz where are some of those horror stories? The thing of it is, to be honest a lot of the models that worked for me had pretty good heads on their shoulders, make great money, travel the world, etc. Mostly those were tough as nails and were able to work the game to their advantage all the way.

Any links by models who lost at the game?

Been there done that.

2 18 year old girls just graduated from high school this year and I had to deal with the same thing.

Here's how it boiled down to me. For the past 8 years I have been supporting them on money I have made from the internet. They know the bulk of this money came from porn. So naturally they want to keep thier good lifestyles and do porn also.

1. They are both 18 now and moved out on thier own so I cannot tell them how to live thier lives.

2. The best home I was able to give them came after I started working in the porn community so therefore if it was good enough to give them what they needed why shouldn't they continue on.

3. They have learned from me how to spot a good deal and what is going to very wrong by being able to read through the bs on the boards.

4. With them being open with me about it I can help guide them in thier decisions along with support thier decisions about how to live thier life.

In short if it's ok for us to support our families and give them the lifestyle they want by doing porn ... then why does everybody get nervous when our kids finally grow up and make the decision to do porn on thier own?

It's thier life... continue to help guide them and keep them safe but if porn is your main line of income why can't it be thiers.

I suggest introducing her to Manny the Freak.:thumbsup If that doesn't change her mind, nothing will.

If you are a photographer or content producer you can talk with her about the glitches of the business.

If she wants to do it, then she will do it. There is no way to stop her. But if you want to help her you (or some trusty person of you) can take some shots of her, so she can see how all this works (give some advices, tell her how to pose for better performance, etc...).

Also, remember to introduce her to good contacts and other honest people you know and you have worked before. There is no point to let your newbie daughter to be shot by the first perverted photographer who offers her some bucks.

Hope this makes some sense

No, I am not fake. I had 400 posts but changed my nick for personal reasons - I posted the old nick when I made my first new post.

Obviously not all photograhers are pervs (I am not) and certainly at the more professional level it gets better, but far too many models have told me its extremely common at the very least.

so facials are out?

Take a look at Gauge.

When she started she was a killer babe.
Today she looks like a whore with too much white shit up her nose.

So sad...

Contact me and I will do everything I can to ban her from the Porn Industry. Tell her that you have that power - and that now only the super hardcore, the rip-offs and the non legits will hire her. Comercial print work is sexy enough nowadays, she will have plenty of fun self expression with that. I have a list of SAG licensed comercial agents that you can send her to. Plus, most porn stars end up broke without strict & diligent business managemet and I wont represent her nor will anyone else as per your request. [email protected]

Tell her there's a golden rule in internet porn. If you run websites you can't let your children become models. Tell her that BP4L will put a hit out on you.

20/20's Show a few months ago that also featured Bella Donna was a real insight into whats going on and it was the truth.

You are a nice guy so they can work their ways, you will be suprised what some pull off.

http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/...ve_030123.html

Just show her some porn movies where the girl is degraded. Facial humiliation, chicks gagging, shit that obviously the girl is only doing for the cash.

Videos with guys doing the high five after fucking a chick, and leaving her to clean up the mess work well aswell. Theres a ton of videos you can use :)

If she's headstrong, and has a defiant attitude, then being humiliated/used/abused then discarded aint gonna appeal to her.

That should work.

That is my biggest fear. I have no moral issue with porn. I can truly say that I do not look down on the girls that I shoot; I like them and respect them. But I do see it as a tough industry that can chew up girls that are not very strong, and has a lot of risks.

The truth is 9 out of 10 girls are not strong enough and will end up used and tossed out unless they are willing to have themselves degraded more and more.

Have to agree with that. If she is only 18, and she is still living under your roof, lay down the law. It is obvious you do not really want her to do porn, so if you have the authority to stop her, why don't you?

For once I agree with Digi on this one 100%. I'm an agent, trust me, the road to GNARLY is paved with good intentions.

Tell her,

She can do porn, if she allows you to produce record/shoot her first production...


This way you can find out if she's serious enough or not :thumbsup

Say No man. Never mix work and family. .Eventually let do it that just for the leisure.

Yep man, you start doing some solo masturbation stuff and then before long they are telling you that guys want to see you do more and that solo stuff isn't going to sell. So we'll give you a little more money, and then up to the next level and the next level and the next level. Before long your getting drunk and high before and after the shoots, getting DP, fisted, bukkake, gangbanged, fish hooked and fucking 50 year old men who are spitting in your face and slapping you around. Welcome to the real world of porn for 90% of women if they stick in it for more than a year.

Not to mention all the bullshit you'll hear from photographers at the shoots and the pressure they put on you, telling you how this other girl didn't show up, how much they had to pay for everything and how they really need this or that. If you're not willing to then you'll never work again, they'll tell everyone how you weren't willing to work and unprofessional and many of them will try to fuck you at every chance they get.

I'm telling you man, if it's your daughter, make sure she knows there's hardly any real glamour to this biz for many of the women.

I can't believe the attitude of some of you guys. You think girls are abused in this business but you all earn money from the industry. There is a word to describe that and it begins with H.

I personally do not believe this guy. The last place to bring this thing is here, it's as beleivable as Pathfinders death.

But remember if you feel this is such a bad industry for girls to get into and the girls are too weak to say no, used and abused. Then everytime you post a picture you are betraying yourself and your principles. Go drive a taxi.

I've probably shot more girls here than anyone and can personally say that the girls that get fucked by the business do exist, but most of them were fucked up before they got into it.

And as for hitting on models, fine so long as no force is applied. Let's face it if guys did not hit on girls they would be working in Kay-Mart.

you are not the only guy shooting in this business, not everyone does stuff the way you do it.

Thanks to everyone for the thoughtful replies. Gonna go downstairs and hash it out with the wife. The thing of it is, I feel partly responsible because some of this shit probably comes from knowing what I am doing these days. Hard to tell for sure though, maybe it would have happened anyway.

Maybe I'll just get her into producing content and web sites.:thumbsup

And you are the guy that send them out on these jobs?

Anything for money I suppose.

Nasty, but true

ouch:helpme

I just hope you wont have je lay down the law:winkwink:

Man you're full of shit today. You do realize that a large percentage of people in this biz are in it because they are lazy fuckups who think they can get rich quick, and a lot of the women are greedy and lazy and that's why they do it.

There are a fair share of legit biz people and women doing movies that are smart and biz savy, but they are in the minority.

If she's hell bent on making money by showing the world her body tell her the money is on the Internet, you're in the biz. Don't let her go to L.A. and get in the 'movies', as far as I can tell it's an insane asylum. On the Internet, she can control who she works with and what she does.

Last thing you want is for your own flesh and blood, your daughter, to be on her knees with Max Hardcore or a Khan Tusion pissing in her mouth and humiliating her. As a parent, can't be anything worse than that, you know you've been a complete failure.

I know that and I know lots of shooters. Some good, I would send my daughter to and some bad I would not send a stray dog to.

But the fact remains the same. If you think the industry as whole abuses girls then you should not be in it. And definitely not contributing to it.

Let's try not to "out-virgin" each other here Charly - it's just a tad ridiculous.

She's a big girl..she's age of majority.. She can vote, and legally, she can make her own decisions. You have to step lightly here, because someone basically 'tattled" on her, and if you go barging up to her yellling and screaming "YOU CAN'T DO PORN", you're only adding more reasons why she SHOULD. Your best bet is to talk to her, ebcause, like it or not, there are things in her life that she's going to do that you aren't going to like. She is an adult, and you're going to have to respect her adult decisions. If you don't you risk alienating her altogether. There are better ways to deal with it. You have experience on the subject, talk to her about it like a mature person, DO NOT talk down to her like a kid. This is what I suggest you do.

Talk to her. Explain to her why the thought upsets you, but that she is an adult and you will respect her decision. Tell her that you would like her to also understand the dangers that can be involved, tell her a few HONEST experiences. Hell, offer to hook her up with a few models and talk to them about their experiences... This may make her decide NOT to do it. However, if she decides she STILL wants to proceed, not much you're going to say or do is going to stop her. Instead of having her go behind your back and having a terrible experience with a sleazebag, look for a reputable adult photogrpaher in your area, or offer to send her to one, someone who is trustworthy and businesslike, and have her work with them. It's better to ensure her safety than to have her running out being rebellious and perhaps being hurt or damaged in some way. You have to make a hard decision here, but most importantly, let her make her decision. It's HER life, and you can't run it. You can work WITH her, or against her. Make sure you don't talk to her mad though! Stay calm, be reasonable. She's probably a smart girl and she can figure it all out from there. Be support for her and she will ALWAYS come to you. Best of luck! :)

You don't get it.

If you think it's like that why are you contributing to it?

I know there are bad guys out there, but I also know there are good ones as well and I believe in an adults right to determine his/her life.

The lazy fuck up who want to get rich quick don't last 5 minutes.

The Saint.
If you are for real, tell her to phone me and I will give her some real advise. Send me her picture and I will shoot her and we can see if she has what it takes to survive in this industry.

In the end support her and get involved, she will do it with or without your say so. Then guide her towards the guys who will not hurt her. Get her to work in your studio for a few weeks and talk to the models. Then book ones who have walked out of a studio in tears or ones who need a line of coke or a bottle of wine to work.

According to this thread 90% of the models available should be able to put her off the business.

I think you're the one who's not getting it chief. According to your estimations anyone who's in any business that has bad people in it is then contributing to the bad of the biz. Well maybe you should take a moment to think about your logic. Just because there are bad people in the biz and you are in the same biz as them does not mean you are contributing to the bad, it's up to you to do good or bad not the others.

exactly

I'm actually quite shocked too and (shocked) I agree with Paul here. Not all photographers are predators, not all internet models do hardcore, there are no absolutes. I am a photographer.. I like and respect the girls I work with (even the flakes), and although I've heard horror stories from some of them about how they've been treated, for the most part it's all on the up and up. I am totally amazed when I hear all these people talking about all the creeps out there.. well fuck, send your models to someone like myself (a woman). There are a TON of great female photographers out there. And people who are REPUTABLE. If the girls are working with slimebags and they don't get out, honestly they're bringing it on themselves. Not much you can do is going to change their cycle of abuse, and they are going to go out and seek it. Porn is a tough business, it's competative... It DOES require the girls to be strong. But then again, look at girls like Jenna. She's amazingly intelligent, she's straight up and she takes her business seriously. She's a CONTINUING success. It doesn't ALWAYS end up badly. Although I find it funny the VAST majority of the people who are saying "models are abused blah blah blah" are not involved in the production end of the business. THere are some bad apples out there, yes, they get known pretty fast. The girls who go to them go in with their eyes open, more often than not, and honestly, they can't blame anyone but themselves.

With all the women I see who apparently haven't 'caved' into doing harder stuff, there are 10 more girls who will WILLINGLY do it. Big whoop.

Exactly LM

What I'm trying to say is.

You guys think it's all going to be bad for her, you talk as if she comes into this industry there's no alternative but for her to be abused.

I'm saying there are bad guys in this game, but they are in the minority. Lots of girls come into this industry daily earn money and get out without being abused.

It's the way you talk about it and then carry on doing it that amazes me. Every girl on every screen is someones daughter. What is different about this girl? Her Dad posted on GFY.

WOW that makes it so personal, tell her not to do it.

But keep posting other guys daughters.

You're all responding as if his only options were to tell her no or to let her do it.

Saint, have you ever thought of *asking* her not to?

Or how about - now that she's 18, take her aside and tell her that you need someone to help you in the business (like Hugh Hefner did with his daughter and Playboy) and now that she's of legal age, she can work with the material and help you out.
Explain to her that the real money is *behind* the camera, not in front of it.
There's plenty of things to do in porn that won't put her in front of the camera... what does she like to do?
Is she artistic? Is she good with a camera? She could be a photographer.
Is she mathematical? She could help you with traffic, ratios, ROI, etc.
How about websites? Most kids these days have websites before they're 10 and you said she had a Yahoo page. She could help you build and maintain your sites.

There are all kinds of things you could have her do that do NOT involve getting in front of the camera and that could give her that 'fix' for doing something 'naughty' that she's needing but still making good money. And by approaching her from the position that "you're old enough to get into the business now, so I'd like you to become a partner in my business" (just as millions of mainstream, brick-and-mortar parents do everyday with their kids), then you're showing her that you both recognize that she's grown up and is an adult, and that you trust her.
And while you talk to her about it (as if you're trying to convince her to get into the biz), you can keep stressing how the models don't make the money, it's the guys behind the cameras and behind the sites that make the money. A model can get $300 for a shoot, the guy behind the site can get $3000 if he works that photo set the right way.

Treat her as a fellow adult, not just your child.

Do NOT take photos of your daughter. Jesus I can't believe the people on here are suggesting that. Can you imagine how fast the man could be racked up by the state on incest charges?

Start treating her as a business partner. Take her to Internext. Let her see the business side of things where the *real* business of money is taking place, and then take her to the parties - like a TopBucks party, for example, where the girls are treated like raw meat - and the whole time, keep mentoring her about where the money really is in the business. Explain to her about how the photographers snapping the pictures and egging the girls on will make approx $X off of the pictures they're taking; the webmasters who buy the photos will make approx $XXX off of the same pictures, and the girls won't get a dime for those pictures (other than the flat fee they're getting, if any, for being a 'booth bunny' or 'internet babe').

Best of luck.

If her boyfriend whined to you about it, he is either jealous (which I semi-understand) or wants to keep her from achieving things which could make her grown beyond him (which I have no patience for.)

It would be totally grody for you to shoot her. I hope the person who suggested that was kidding.

I think the etiquette on getting direct work referrals through her father would most likely be awkward.

I think getting into the explicit details of how far it is okay to go with your daughter is inappropriate. Maybe have your wife discuss it with her. But it is her body and her choice. And, let's face it, we have all seen unappealing Playboy style nudes and respectful explicit work.

You are posting under a fake nick, so I have no idea whether the H word applies here or not, but, if you really feel what you do is perpetrates evil on those you work with, maybe you should really think about what you are doing.

I suggest giving your daughter the benefit of your experience and knowledge, so she can be a success. If money is her only motivator (and it probably is not if she was posting freebies years ago) then you can suggest the paths you can think of most likely to lead to riches. If you can buy your daughter a horse, then you undoubtedly have a good business sense and should be able to provide a lot of good business advice.

Exactly.

Fantastic suggestion :)

Dude, are you serious. Why is she doing this? For the money, for fun, what is motivating her?

Porn isn't a stepping stone, it's a grave stone. Do all you can-if you are for real- to keep her out of this biz.


Also, most photogs are full of shit and will be all over her. The ones that said they would'nt touch her are the ones to watch first!

if she needs money, why dont you get her into doing porn websites...

that will teach her a much better lesson than allowing her to do porn, and in the end, if successful, she will probably end up making more than being a porn model..

you should hire her and show her a few things, then let her do some sites on her own.

:2 cents:

call me cynical but I think this thread is a TROLL started by someone with a VERY strange fantasy...