Impact of New Visa regs on SHAVING
 

Any thoughts on this?

what shaving ? :1orglaugh

Start you own prog and send it traffic. Its hard to shave yourself

spoken like a true guido? Chewbacca back?

nah . thank god i dont have any hair growth on back

I shave myself every morning :Graucho

My guess is it will increase "loss prevention" by sponsors. Is this necessarily "shaving"?

We will never shave!! ever! Our retention is good enough where we will never have to.

We are here for our webmasters! See you at Internext!

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Shaving? No way!

If you are worried about shaving, go with recurring. Yes, it is possible to shave on those, but with each person getting around the same amount, you aren't in Negative $$ with some affiliates paying out per signup.
ZoiNk

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Shaving? Oh nonononono, there is NO SHAVING in the adult industry.

Yeh, many sponsors I'm sure will now upgrade from a Gillette Mach 3 to the high speed electric Braun 7505.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Funny.... but I was afraid that will happen :(

We planned on announcing the service in Miami, but since it has quickly become relevant (and my partner leaked it already:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=152006)

--->www.ClickTruth.com


Several major sponsors have agreed to give us access to plug an API into their CC post back data and audit their sign-up stats. Flashcash is the first to step up to be audited and we have approval to audit and are integrating with : TopBucks, Pornkings and Silvercash.

If you lack confidence in your sponsor, ask them if they are willing to submit to the "ClickTruth" Auditing.

If you *run* a program and walk the talk, shoot me an email.

[email protected]

Stick with well known, US based companies. I seriously doubt they would be shaving.. Go with foreign shady programs, and you get what you deserve. :2 cents:

Hilarious.

great idea but will sponsors also allow you signing access on their bank accounts as well as last year's tax return ?

lol:1orglaugh

Right now our goal is just to make sure all signups are counted. Maybe next year we'll check their taxes and make sure they're faithful to their wives. ;)

something (surprise) is not right here.

being partners with flashcash sounds a bit fishy.


Especially considering flashcash has a reputation for screwing over webmasters and stealing webmasters money.

It just means now i dont trust you or them :)

Def a good idea though, i was speaking with a friend about the need for a service like this recently.

I think a better way to go about this is to do ACTUAL test signups not hit monitering.

Best of luck though.. ( site looks good )

interesting.

visa is getting into porn? and they are going to be shaving? i hope their chicks are hot!

Well - If Flash Cash have signed up, must be good!


But what is this?

Posted in another thread -

So after severe testing, you are going to say Flash Cash is as clean as a whistle, aren't you?

Fucking busted..

With shit like this going round it's hardly surprising Visa is taking over the mantle of regulating this business.
Those known for previous scamming are the ones shouting louder now how they will INCREASE payments for free trials!

that doesn't make sense...if the regs are clamping down on scammers, how can they raise payouts...? I think I know the answer but please explain :)

Hal's group does do a lot of work with Flashcash, including some webmaster support. But to say that this program in any way is directed to make Flashcash look good as its purpose is bullshit.

Pornkings and Silvercash have nothing to do with Flashcash as far as ownership or management, and they've agreed to beta test this program as well.

I got a call from Johnny V about this yesterday morning and personally I think its a great idea if its managed properly and people can see exactly how it works.

I'm looking forward to working a bit on it with these guys.

And it was very good to see you last night Hal :)

Read some posts and you will see some saying payments are to be increased.

I have said this before, and will say it again -
When a surfer joins for free - He is usually got his dick in his hand ready to jerk off and often doesn't realise he is signing for 2,3 or even 4 sites - When he sees a charge of X on his card, he is often so pissed off, he is hardly likely to join another site - This way, webmasters lower down the chan lose sales because of this.

In this way, webmasters and the surfer have been scammed.

If the programme shaves as well - That just adds insult to injury.

Playboy,
you know you are a lying sack of shit. Who do you work for? Are you a paid bullshitter or do you do it for free?

Flashcash is 100% honest, always has been, always will be. We have always paid out on time, every time. We even pay INSTANTLY direct to your ePassporte card. No other sponsor does this for you.

We have ALWAYS had a NO-SHAVE policy. There are thousands of webmasters who will confirm this.


So crawl back under your rock and take your lies with you...

hehe

No it's not.

That would be like Rand announcing to the world that he's going to audit Epoch and prove everything is okay, or that you are going to do a review of Epassporte's books and prove that nothing fishy is going on.

An employee/owner doing a supposed 3rd party audit of their own company isn't worth a thing.

There is only one possible outcome. An announcement that the company in question doesn't cheat, shave, etc.

Not very useful and it does cast doubts on the rest of the results.

I had almost forgotten about this guy..thank you for the laugh

Fatpad,
The Porn Posse is a subsidiary of I-Bridge International, LLC...none of the owners are owners or employees of Flashcash, we are an independent company. We sell many products and services, if you check out our website, to many Sponsors, Billing companies, webmasters etc. And, as Kimmy said we are currently integrating the auditing service with many other Sponsors as well, so it is not simply a Flashcash marketing piece. That said, we think it speaks highly of Flashcash to have the balls to stand up and allow themselves to be audited to begin with...

Perhaps instead of simply bashing a program that is new and is designed to help people avoid shaving...you should steer some traffic through it and look at the auditing process for yourself...??

Let me know if you want to run a free trial....
[email protected]

there is a cost to be audited right?
also, can you outline how the actual technical outline of your system and how it's integrate with a sponsor program and the biller ?

people should care less about shaving and more about the bottom line.

uhh...okay.

but if Hal's group does a lot of work with flashcash there is an imperative to give flashcash a clean bill of health so as not to jeopardise the workflow coming to them, it's like a designer not wanting to say something bad about a program owner so that he keeps on getting those paysite jobs - who's going to screw themselves out of their own cashflow? sorry to play the devil's advocate, I do think it is a great service and am considering it for a program im about to launch.. but you can't call valid concerns bullshit.

The Porn Posse works with FlashCash in several areas. For example, I proudly Admin the HelpDesk and Forums.
So I agree, if I told you "FlashCash NEVER shaves!" you may question my word. That is why we developed ClickTruth. So we have a way for FlashCash -- and every honest program -- to *prove* they are legit.

Wouldn't it be nice to eliminate one more layer of dirt from this industry? The Visa regs have all the sponsor programs thinking about needed changes. The timing is perfect. This will be GOOD.



p.s. Great seeing you, KK!

Yes, there is a charge for a Sponsor to be audited. It's a modest, flat fee which I'm happy to discuss offline with you if you are interested. We can also explain how we integrate with a Sponsor's back-end...

Hit me up on ICQ and let's chat more...173121828

Edge

I agree many eliments of dirt need cleaning off from this industry - But when announcing this service, not disclosing the link between companies is going to give concern as soon as a link is realised.

And as for the person jumping up and shouting Bullshit - Kimmykimm once had full prooof that the thieving bastards at sunnydollars had been getting into my webmasters stats page at ccbill - And she did nothing about it - Kimmykim is hanging on to all the big guys' coat tails and would jump to their defence no matter what.

Why don't you start your own little threads to bash me? You've been at it forever, you make claims you can't substantiate, and you're coming dangerously close to libel in some of these threads.

I'm not worried about you doing any damage to me, but what you seem to be unable to realize is that you aren't doing yourself any good either.

Libel from you?
Libel also from sunnydollars?

Strange World when the two parties who know what really happened say they are using the law to stop someone from telling the truth!!!

Get real - I am not going to stop - These people cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars with their hacking - You think I want to forget that small point?

The thread is about cleaning up the industry - Period.

Your inabillity to admit you dealt with this hacking while you were at ccbill, and Sunnydollars refusal to admit to being the criminals who hacked my ccbill webmaster stats page is not a good part to this industry.

You will not shut me up and neither will SunnyDollars -

I didn't bash you.

But you have a person posting that works for Flashcash with a flashcash email address posting that his other company is going to be auditing Flashcash.

Would have posted the same thing regardless of who was involved.

3rd party audits don't mean a thing when one person works for both the auditing company and the company being audited. There is an inherent conflict of interest which makes any findings, especially clean bills of health, useless.

This actually makes sense. If you setup a method to track all the programs on an even playing field, then shaving isn't a big deal. Just means that particular program won't do as well compared to the others. Every month I pull a report to determine how many clicks we sent to each program (from our tracking, not their's). Then we figure out how much money we actually got paid (the only thing you can 100% trust from any program). Then we determine the actual revenue / click from each program. If they shaved, their rev/click will be lower. We also take their payout / join and come up with a REAL conversion rate. This takes the programs' different tracking method out of the equation (2nd page raws, 1st page unique's etc).

Are you sure you translated that right?