How far is too far? Where do you draw the line?
 

Where do you draw the line? Does Extreme profits justify extreme behavior? Is it ok to make money off of people that enjoy fantasy violence against women?

As far as I'm concerned sex is good and violence is the real obscenity.

So there are people who get off on watching women get raped and you can make it feel ok by saying well its all just fantasy role playing but its helping guys get off on watching women brutalized and harmed. Rape is a crime of violence not sex. There is so much money to be made off of sex why tarnish our industry with violence.

How extreme is too extreme? I draw the line at violence against women or even violence being associated with sex. Spankings is one thing thats not what I'm talking about. Guys kidnapping women and gangbanging them while they are terrified is not "entertainment" as far as I'm concerned.

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most of the airheads on this board don't know it but there are laws governing porn.
what you can put up and what you can't.

and no you can't mail just anything.

just like any other business, this has its professionals and its idiots.

Like your sig man!

Yeah theres plenty of profit to be had not breaking the laws but some people in this biz get greedy dont they.

What is illegal in US isn't nessesarily illegal in other parts of the world...EU has very different laws. And hre you can do sites about fantasy rape, bestiality, scat etc...

But then there is the morale aspect of the case. I personally don't see anything worng in scat....two adult shitting on eachother. If they like it, let them do it.
Regarding bestiality you can always say that the animals can't say "no", but as far as our sites is concerned the animals and not forced!
Then there is the one I see as the most tricky one and the reason for us not having a site online yet....fantasy rape; will this prevent sick bastards from doing real rape or will it encourage them to do it? The content we have talked about using are cleary fantasy and you can easily tell that it's actors playing a roleplay.

I have made a lot of morale thoughts when I first started in extreme and I still ask myself where the line goes and for me this is when you force somebody human or animal against their free will...and this is OFCOURSE a line way before CP!

Bottomline is ofcourse that I'm doing extreme sites simply because it converts so well for me and not because I'm into the stuff myself, so I am it for the money and that lower my morale standards YES, but as far as I'm not breaking any laws I don't have a big problem with this.

How's that quote go?

Obscenity, you can't really define it, but you know it when you see it.

I had some discussions with people about bestiality because i wanted to understand why most of them hold the opinion that bestality is crime equal do CP. The only reasonable argument they brought up was that bestiality is cruelty to animals. Funny point of view for a carnivorous species who accept any form of cruelty as long as it brings them some cheap salami on their pizza.
I knew some people that work in the justice, the psychatrie and other funny places. Here in southern germany we had a few cases of guys fucking chickens, don´t know what i would think about that type of content :(
Also very interresting was that nobody was thinking about the human actors. Ok, maybe most of them are doing it just for the money. And so? If somebody does serious harm to his body becouse of hard physical work or gets depressiv because he hates his stupid, underpaid job... thats cool, no problem, at least it has nothing to do with sex?

Obscenity, for me Big Brother is obscene. Not to mention boring stupid. But some german specialties like 'Musikantenstadel' are even worse.

Whats the borderline for storys, drawings or traced pictures?

I always laugh at people who rant about beastiality in the same breath as talking about the steak dinner they're looking forward to that night. Its like it just doesn't register.

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well, my grandmother always though anything more explicit than a bikini was going too far...

so, who should we use to be the barometer? you? my grandma? hitlercorft?

You are right...it's an individual line...talking of bestiality I think there are two parts; when the animal does the action....or when a man fucks an animal - the first one is cleary ok for me, while the second is more up for discussion.