64 million people died during WW2. Less than 10% were Jews.
 

So why do Jews view WW2 as their own personal tragedy?

Why does the "holocaust" only refer to Jews, even though other groups suffered much greater losses?

Jews don't see WWII as "their own personal tragedy". WWII was a tragedy for the whole world.

However, the difference between the Jews and the rest of the world is that they were specifically targetted for complete extermination. Think about that for a moment - they weren't victims in a normal war, they were slaughtered with the single goal of murdering every last one of them. Not for doing anything, but simply for existing.
And not killed in a way previously seen in wars... the nazi's actually set up an industry for destruction. Factories of death, one could say. Eventually, of all Jews in Europe, 41% were killed, of the Jewish children in Europe, only 11% survived.
It was genocide in an unprecedented way and on an unprecedented scale. These weren't "losses", like you normally see in wars. These were cold-blooded murders.

Two different things...

The Holocaust, as Punkworld stated. was strictly motivated by the religion of the individual...

But these days, I think the americans are getting as bad with their constant reference to " 9/11" ...

Very well said.

Not very well said.

That's not entirely true. At least in Austria, those who had been converted to Judaism by marriage and such, were forced to denounce their faith and were classified non-Jews, while those who had renounced Judaism but were of Jewish heritage were reclassified as Jews.
So, it's more race than it is religion...

The hollocaust gets exaggerated because the media is completely controlled by the jews.

Mmm... not worth the effort.. backing out...

Other groups suffered similar abuses.

The Chinese, for example, were slaughtered like sheep by the invading Japs. They suffered 2 or 3 times the number of deaths that the Jews did.

Also, the attempted genocide of the Jews was not an unprecedented act. The Armenians suffered their own holocaust at the hands of the Turks, yet Jews refuse to recognize this. Why?

That's nonsense, mainly because the media have very little to do with the research that historians do concerning the holocaust.

go visit Auschwitz Konzentrazion Kamp in germany, maybe you ll understand.

Is that just your opinion, or do you have evidence to back that up? How do we know you're not controlled by some right wing Nazi group to say just that without any evidence?

There's TONS of documented evidence to back up what the Jews claim regarding the holocaust, and very little (by comparison) to dispute it. Seems everyone who claims the holocaust was either overblown or didn't happen in the first place is anti-semetic to begin with. Isn't that a skewed point of view as well?

They got targetted . And anyways it could be any etchnic group talking about it and they would be right on one fact : it was wrong

as soon as I hear the 6 Million number, I know the person is just parroting politically correct nonsense.

The Chinese suffered about 10 million civilian casualties, almost twice as much as the number of Jewish casualties. However, the difference between them and the Jews is that they were (generally speaking) not murdered in a mechanical, bureaucratic way, but massacred. Also, the percentage of a specific group within the population murdered was a lot lower. It wasn't so much an attempted genocide as it was mass slaughter.
Obviously, that doesn't make the situation any better, but it is a lot more like violence previously seen in the world's history.

The Armenian genocide, although indeed an attempted genocide, can also be seen as more traditional violence. (attempted genocides have happened throughout history) The Turks didn't create an almost automated, extremely bureaucratic industry of death. Also, the scale was smaller. I believe between 800,000 and 1,5 million Armenians were murdered between 1915(?) and 1923, which - although ofcourse still mindblowing - is a lot less than the number of people killed in the holocaust.

I have no idea, however, why Jews would deny that this happened.


The difference between the murder of the Jews in WWII (and also the homosexuals, gypsies, disabled people, etc.) and violence seen before that is that it was the first time that people tried to exterminate entire groups of the population with the tools of the industrial world. It was the first time industrialized genocide occurred, one could say.

someone please lock this thread and bann this idiot

I assume you have no evidence whatsoever to back up your statement?

So yuo are going to tell me that 12 million to 15 million Chinese were slaughtered?

6 MILLION JEWS were killed out of sheer jealousy and hate bro

Read a history book- I know your GED probably never covered the Holocaust-

You are an ignorant person.

As soon as someone say something about jewish he is a fucking antisemit rasist fuck.

:eek7

10 million dead Chinese civilians is a conservative estimate. Some say the number was as high as 20 million.

http://www.secondworldwar.co.uk/casualty.html

Are you actually saying that a Jew life is more valuable than a non-Jew life?!?

I think it's funny how you keep arbitrarily narrowing the definition of "holocaust" until it only refers to the Jews.

The Armenians were definitely singled out for wholesale industrial slaughter. Just as the Nazis blamed the Jews for Germany's problems, the Turks blamed the Armenians for their problems and had them systematically rounded up and killed.

Ok now you have to be putting me on-

I just don't get the catch?

What is your website you promote again???

Why are you saying such inflammatory remarks to JEWS homeboy?
You have to be some manic psycho like BS with a new alias to be spewing this for reaction sake-


But why?

"The Holocaust" is a name, one that refers specifically to the murder of Jews in WWII. That's simply the way it is, not my fault. The word holocaust, however, is applicable to many more events in history, including for instance the Armenian genocide.

I am not narrowing down anything. Here's the two factors which, combined, make the difference between the slaughter of the Jews and the other slaughters in history:
- the scale
- the organized, bureaucratic, industrialized nature of it all

That makes the Holocaust (as opposed to holocausts) an unprecedented event.

Systematically rounding up and killing people dates back thousands of years. However, the combination of the scale and the way it was done are different from anything else in history.

Get outside of America, go Europe and learn some history!:ak47:

This whole thread was answered in the first paragraph of the first post ...

why do u guys consistently rise to the bait of someone's alternate persona.

Things are usually real boring/dead on the board... then lo and behold .... up pops a stupid thread like this one

exactly ...
I never even read it ...
just the first sentence or two ...
just garbage

This should stir up some shit. :1orglaugh

WW2 seems to be viewed by many jews as something the rest of the world will eternally owe them for (even if they were never in danger themselves) , which is ofcourse BS, it's a terrible thing that happened, but it's not my fault.

When fanatic orthodox jews hear anyone talking about all the terrible things their army, govt and organisations have done it's called "Hate Speech" in defence with the holocaust backing it up to make you look like you support the deaths of millions of people, which again, is utter BS.

NO.... i dont support you killing thousands of palestinians AND.. yes there's an AND.. i don't support the holocaust.

"but what about the millions of jews that died for this land".

uh, what about the arabs you killed to get the land in the first place, how about your soldiers shooting kids, how about your government stealing territory ( slightly against international law ) all the palestinians can do is blow themselves up when you destroy their homes with helicopter gunships, tanks and well equiped soldiers.

"but, but .. god has given us this land"

yeah yeah buddy, you play in your little sandpit, kick out the arab that was there, don't share, no, just kill him, god said so.

I have nothing against jews, but when it comes to fanatics, that's another story, they're so caught up in thier beliefs and emotions , the blinkers are on and there is no reasoning with them.

"...but it's not my fault".
If it is NOT your fault then whose fault is it?
For this "terrible thing" ?

And if it's NOT your "fault" ... you are "not eternally the blame"
then why would Jews have this eternal IOU ...

grow up ...

1) Tough one. Hitler
2) Yes, terrible.
3) When fanatic orthodox jews hear anyone talking about all the terrible things their army, govt and organisations have done it's called "Hate Speech" in defence with the holocaust backing it up to make you look like you support the deaths of millions of people, which again, is utter BS
4) :321GFY

It doesn't matter if it was only 10%. Important to note that they were killed without chance of defence. They were murdered by crazy fucking nazis. I am not Jew but we can not use this fragile thesis as true.

It is bull shit. Let's talk about sex. More sex less criminality! Let's fuck!

Kinda like your posts.
Except you are a pedophile sack of shit.

I believe that many of the major holocaust museums also pay tribute to other groups who were persecuted by Hitler, for example, gays.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hawkeye
So why do Jews view WW2 as their own personal tragedy?

Why does the "holocaust" only refer to Jews, even though other groups suffered much greater losses? [/QUOTE

You are on crack

http://www.wsg-hist.uni-linz.ac.at/A...ml/seite1.html

It was 60 years ago ..

Wait I don't get it...

are you saying it doesn't matter jews got killed cause lots of chinese got killed...


OR

are you saying not enough Jews got killed?

If what you say is true it's most likley because it is the most recent holocaust and i think some other people may have pointed that out.

So now we know why some mammals eat their children...

I'm not understanding what you are trying to tell me here...

Erm... Well no other "group" was put in camps just to die, as a mather of fact wasn't there like 10 mill killed in the camps? Not sure about that but of course a group of people will se it as a personal tragedy when a country tried to eliminate anyone who belivied what ever the jews belive.

Why do you regard your own retarded personality as a personal tragedy? All of us are exposed to your fucktard postings.

little off the subject but i have been to some of the countries mentioned last year and i'll give my opinion of what i thought of each.

china - hong kong club scene rocks no time and too curbed to visit anywhere else.
japan - the airport in tokyo smelled like fish but the club scene rocked and they got wicked gadgets to play with while your in a plane.
israel - i don't care what anyone says, jewish girls are fine ass hell, flourishing black market (they definately have there mind on their money and their money on their mind), oh and the club scene rocks.
germany & france - sucks, nothing but african refugees and muslims. looking to rob your ass on the friggen tran when your not looking. i couldn't believe some bastard tried to steel my jacket right in front of me.

i have nothing againts one's religion. i was hanging out with this catholic russian broad who made sure i knew who was muslim in the room so i could watch my shit...she obviously hated muslims.

like i said, this post was obviously off the subject :glugglug

and the holocaust wasn't genocide. there are still jews.

That's ok, i found it hard to understand your babble earlier also

" And if it's NOT your "fault" ... you are "not eternally the blame"
then why would Jews have this eternal IOU ..."

You mean other than the Slavs, Gypsies, Turks, Poles, Homosexuals, Communists (aka any Soviet), German political opponents and any other "unsavory" group. The combined numbers of the other groups outnumber the Jews, yet their stories are rarely told. I wonder why?

True, the Jews were targeted the most vigorously and effectively, but the Third Reich sought to eliminate all unwanted ethnicities and religions from its expanded borders.