an idea to clean the industry up
 

do you think if affiliate programs asked for company tax id's before they let webmasters join their program that would help the industry any?

the way i see it, to many people come to porn as a 'hobby' and not enough proper companie structures are set up, surely 'some' of the pressure being put on the industry as a whole could be alleviated if programs only let webmasters with corporate tax codes join their programs.

some programs require this anyway but, if you do not have one they will also allow you to use their program by entering your SSI number, surely it would benefit affiliate programs 'long term' to weed out the people who are hobbiests at this.

anyone have any serious thoughts on whether this would / wouldnt work and reasons behind their thoughts?

How easy is it to make one up tho. :)
Easy. I'm Canadian and I have a fake SSN.

The walrus is obviously Canadian too.

would you care to enlighten us as to how you came to that conclusion kimmy?

under no circumstances would this ever be more profitable for an affiliate program.

It would also weed out all the legitimate companies in countries other than the US.

and making a system that would take into account every single country's tax IDs would be a hell of a lot of work. especially if it was to do verification, or if verification was done manually.

of course it would, they wouldnt have to worry about individual webmasters ripping them off and, if a company screwed them they have a better chance at suing them for damages etc.

sure it would be costly but once they won they would also get damages along with legal fees :2 cents:

spelling and grammar.

think about how dumb this reply is. then stop posting forever in utter shame & humiliation.

not true, as it stands as long as you can use the web you can find out if a company is 'registered' so to speak.

all i am saying is make aff programs only acept companies, regardless of what their business liability is, by making a sole proprietor (sp?) become accountable for what they actually do, if anything ever had the need to go through the courts they would stand to lose a lot more than just a sponsors check :2 cents:

as for the database, im sure that it wouldnt be that hard to compile one the data must be floating around the web somewhere i would even bet that most payment processors hold this sort of information (kimmy could you confirm if this is the case?)

anyway was just a thought i had might not even be a plausable idea but it should be worth investigating surely especially if it took some of the unwarranted heat off us as an industry overall.

no you think about how reasonable it was, companies have a higher liability threshold and more chance of being prosecuted than individuals do - especially by other companies and the feds :2 cents:

how many cases have you seen lately of reputable companies taking huge blows because of affiliate fraud. you're whole argument basis is retarded.

errr... you run a resource site right?

then you should know that the biggest way aff programs lose money is theough affiliate fraud - dumbass :2 cents:

ok, why don't you start an affilaite program with your master plan and let me know how it works out for you :1orglaugh

yes, i am a dumbass, for replying to this thread.

i dont need to start one thanks :thumbsup

how will you prove someone isn't lying? or what if someone is using a trading name? that can't be checked. Not for companies in this country AFAIK... Usually that stuff is information held by the banks for cheque books, not by the companies office. Our Inland Revenue department isn't going to make that info public either..

This amuses me. Americans take it for granted that they have no privacy. In New Zealand, we have privacy laws. This information won't be and can't be in other peoples databases unless your company has dealt with them in the past and the information has been provided freely - or alternatively, if has been obtained via authorities in criminal investigations - but even then, the authorities keep the info private.


haha. as long as there are religious bumfucks ont his planet spouting off that ANY pornography is obscene, who rank it with child pornography and beastiality, then there will ALWAYS be unwarranted heat on this industry. There are different degrees of heat. you joined this industry know that, surely.

Kimmy the reason you think canadian don't know how to write is because of french canadians like me . English is our 2nd language and isn't really covered in schoolbooks (except irregular verbs n shit like that) . That's why

Trading name would come down to the sole propriator thing, aswell as certainly in the US you check for DBA's of companies etc.

also just the fact that the info is held by the banks would mean that they had to have some form of 'official' paperwork in order for them to open a 'trading as' account.

as for inland revenue making the information public, it would be companies house or whichever agency / body keeps a record of businesses in each country.


again, as mentioned above all you should have to do 'in theory' is check with the governing body where companies information is stored in each locale.

but not unwarranted heat that could be avoided as it stands presently, the adult industry is seen as sordid and illegal (cp beasty etc) by a lot of people whether rightly or wrongly isnt the issue, with some form of 'standardization' so far as who can and who cant use affiliate programs as well as what is and isnt needed in order to join such a program this would help to alleviate some of the strain on the industrys reputation as a whole, as i said originally might not be a practical thing to do but who would you rather have start to instigate such steps, affiliate programs in the industry of the government, regardless of what country you live in.

:2 cents:

Don't assume that I think the walrus is illiterate since that is absolutely not the case. :)

thats slanderous and libeloous i be as illitarate as any of the gfy users on 'ere ill 'ave ya know ;)

I love to defame, there's no doubt about that, especially when there are Canadians involved ;)

i dont think its the webmasters that are fucking up, i think its the fuckers running the programs that are fucking up and need to be weeded out.

who you think is gonna fuck around more, the one who is doing it for fun? or the one who is doing it to get rich?

I just blogged your sig "campaign" onto the homepage of SexEducation.com ...

<A HREF="http://LIVEHOMEPAGE.blogspot.com" >LIVEHOMEPAGE.blogspot.com</A>

i hope n00bs don't read this thread and think you're actually making sense. that's all we need, more misguided n00bs.

haha fair enough :thumbsup

im not Canadian though unfortunately ;)

would you be so kind as to read that post a few up where i ask you to confirm or refute my statement about the processors holding company information to please - you are probably the best person to ask given your knowledge of that side of the industry :)

oh and, speeling and gramma are bad because ive been up almost 36 hours solid to launch a new product and im tired as all hell lol

especialy when we have enough mis-guided webmasters claiming not to be noobs huh? - if the cap fits etc, etc.

could you please un-blog me. thanks.

well said :thumbsup

you dont want to be associated with a pedo site :thumbsup

wow, i couldn't have said it better myself. when you get a clue maybe you can then call yourself a webmaster.

I didn't blog YOU ...
I have no idea who you are.
What the hell would I do that for on my homepage.

I blogged the article in your sig.

can you say copyright infringment?

lets hope he sues your pedo ass :thumbsup

he gave you written notification.

then can you please un-blog the article in my sig.

I am in the process of writing a review of that article ...
duh ...
okay sue me for expressing my opinion ...
duh ...
SexEducation.com an adult magazine of sexual intercourse.

Actually I am deleting that blog now that I can reach my server which was recently inaccessable from Calgary.

I want to stay focussed on Lars graphics and customization of SexEducation.com for his community.

which he has as good as asked you not to do :321GFY

For copyright infringment - theres a difference asswipe.

surely you mean a bigger waste of bandwidth than lukeford.com in its hayday?

ok, that's nice, but i really don't want your traffic. thanks.

where is this fucking blog?

I don't want it clean I want it dirty..:Graucho

Blog deleted ...
back to work ...

Do you really think anyone actually believes your pedo crap ?
GFY sheep ...
baaaa baaaa ...follow the morons ...baaaa baaaa

On a side note ...
where is that GFY sheep banner ...
I love it ... flippin funny ...

was here.. http://livehomepage.blogspot.com/

but my link has been removed.

don't worry, I'm a n00b and I don't agree with him. :)

I don't know if that makes you feel any better.

It was at
http://LIVEHOMEPAGE.blogspot.com ...

you create a blog by getting a free account at
Blogger.com ...
which was recently POWERED UP by Google.com.
Think about that.

personally i never read all the threads talking about this, and i've never been through your site, i just don't want your surfer traffic, i have zero need and/or desire for it.

Processors would only be holding information that related to their payouts. Companies that do their own payouts would not have their db's sitting in the hands of others without a reason.

Requiring a company does nothing for fraud control, hell I can go and make up about a dozen dba's and get tax ids for them in less than 48 hours if that is what I need.

You want to clean up the industry, you change the nature of the business completely.

exactly ...
follow the sheep ...
no logical justification for the decision ...
baaaa baaaa
nothing based on personally known fact ...
baaa baaa

I honestly don't think it'll make a difference. if someone wants to defraud you, they're going to do it.

You'll find that even if something like this was implemented, it wouldn't be taken up by everyone simply for the extra work involved, or for the perceived business loss.

How would the end-consumer gauge which sites affiliated themselves with companies ONLY? take their word for it?

and how many governments like to work together 100% of the time?? I personally think there are too many political issues - external to the adult industry itself - to make this viable.

but maybe I'm missing something.

or better yet, change human nature. That's the reason why people will suck your cock, then stab you in the back on the same day.

because they can.

ok, now you're just an idiot. the site you were linking to is a webmaster resource, your surfer traffic has zero productivity at my site. get-a-clue.

This business is not about human nature past the application of what makes the surfer buy today instead of yesterday.

My money is on Visa making some sweeping changes become absolutely necessary in order to keep taking it as payment.

What they are looking for is abundantly clear, or should be to anyone doing more than 350 joins per day.

Yep ... I agree ...
sweeping changes ...

No aroused genital or reproductive bodily fluids on any directly accessed domain name is - just months away - at most.
kewl ... love it

Been promoting that for months now ...