why do americans and jews circumcise? this isnt a joke i have no punchline
 

in the penis thread i dont understand why its an american or jew thing

i thought it was supposed to be more sterile or something
granted if ur clean that is bullshit

but i dunno is it a cultural thing

a penis looks vastly superior circumcized.

I agree, my penis rocks :thumbsup

im in the cut gang

but theres a lot of monolith foreskin in the penis thread and they have their reserves about circumcision

i dont know why

circumcision is either a religious thing like for jews, or it's a puritan thing that stems from trying to stop people masturbating by cutting off half the sensitive nerves on your cock.

I'd rather kill someone than have my cock mutilated and made way less sensitive for someone's stupid religious beliefs and agenda.

nigga, im cut

i couldnt make the decision
my parents did

should i sue them

really?

http://www.tegatai.com/~com/me.jpg

uncircumsized. wooo.. waaaayy worse.. pfffft.

com's weiner doesnt have that meaty look to it like kinders or puresex's did

A bit hard to when it's part of the culture and recommened, but seriously, I truthfully feel sorry for you. like cicumsizing african women to make them less sensitive even though it's not as bad as that.

personally id rather not have a part of my penis chopped off

all they'd have to do is pull their foreskin back a bit and it would stay there.

i am now fascinated with uncut penises

thank you

im going to spend the rest of the night doting on the fact that my parents may have ruined me for the rest of my life

heheh I don't know how much piss you're taking here but at least you can take solace in the fact that on average cut men last longer than uncut because you've had sensitive bits butchered off..

Talk about a "stupid religious belief"! You know that's exactly what you have if you really mean what you posted.

well ive heard there are some mild sanitary reasons as well

but no im serious i am curious
i need to do some more research

im cut. i heard its easier to get diseases if you arent.

geezz.. are you misinformed or what? you gain more sensitivity when you get circumcised.

Everyone's always saying its better to be circumsized because its cleaner.. Thats just fucking stupid.

It doesn't take a rocket scientists to know that uncircumsized men (me being one of them) just wash it in the shower, therfore keeping it just as clean as an uncut dick.

Im also guessing it feels a whole lot better when you still have nerve endings there :winkwink:

Why? theres nothing religous about not wanting to be mutilated- it's fucking common sense. I can function and live just fine if i get my little finger cut off does it mean I should?
While i don't mean I really would actually kill, it's meant to describe how i'd feel about it.. If I could save some random person's life by getting a circumcision I wouldn't... unless they were a family member and needed a skin graft of something :).

But seriously, there is the slight issue of penile cancer. I've noticed that in all these "cut vs un-cut" threads..that no one has ever brought this up as one reason to get circumcized.

And if you check on the stats..over 90% of all penile cancer takes place in un-circumcized men.

For what it's worth..

hahahah good one. Yeah i also would also breathe better if i had a lung removed and see better with an eye removed lol.

cutting can either make you more sensitive because a part that is supposed to be protected is now exposed, or less sensitive because that part gets desensitized from being exposed. Here's some info I found:

http://abc.net.au/science/news/healt...lish_87087.htm

http://www.pedsurology.com/circumci.htm


http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/pa/pa_circumci_hhg.htm

I dont think a family member would want a piece of forskin on their forhead for the rest of their life.. :Graucho

jewish men has small dinks, and when a foreskin is removed it gives it the illusion that its bigger.

I'm saying that your ZEALOUS belief AGAINST circumcision can be viewed as a "religious conviction" based on how EXTREME you are in your threat against those that circumcize.

sorry, your information is wrong. heres the american cancer society:


As representatives of the American Cancer Society, we would like to
discourage the American Academy of Pediatrics from promoting routine
circumcision as preventative measure for penile or cervical cancer.
The American Cancer Society does not consider routine circumcision
to be a valid or effective measure to prevent such cancers.

Research suggesting a pattern in the circumcision status of partners
of women with cervical cancer is methodologically flawed, outdated and
has not been taken seriously in the medical community for decades.

Likewise, research claiming a relationship between circumcision and
penile cancer is inconclusive. Penile cancer is an extremely rare
condition, effecting one in 200,000 men in the United States. Penile
cancer rates in countries which do not practice circumcision are lower
than those found in the United States. Fatalities caused by
circumcision accidents may approximate the mortality rate from penile
cancer.

Portraying routine circumcision as an effective means of prevention
distracts the public from the task of avoiding the behaviors proven to
contribute to penile and cervical cancer: especially cigarette smoking
and unprotected sexual relations with multiple partners. Perpetuating
the mistaken belief that circumcision prevents cancer is inappropriate.

Sincerely,



Hugh Shingleton, M.D. Clark W. Heath, Jr., M.D.
National Vice President Vice President
Detection & Treatment Epidemiology & Surveillance Research


sorry man.. I understand you have been mutilated.. and although you need something to mentally justify it.. there isn't anything.

i think its more of a hygene concern from the infant stage

probably get urinary tract infections and the like

Being circumsized makes you a more efficient slave of the system.

I also have a "religous conviction" that i have to breathe every minute, as well as a "religious conviction" that I need to eat.. it fits in with my "religous conviction" THAT YOU SHOULDN'T CHOP THINGS OFF because some religous idiot millenia ago decreed it or because some prudish victorian religous idiot didn't want people to masturbate.

whats wrong with not wanting to mutilate boys? I'm also "ZEALOUS" in my belief that the removal of girls clitoris's in africa for traditional and religious purposes is wrong.. I don't see any difference. But you think it's "zealous" because you grew up with it being normal and ok.. just like cutting clitorii with rocks is "ok" in africa and no big deal.


ps what "threat"???

wouldn't that fit your gfy nick though? :)

cut = 99% man

:1orglaugh Get over yourself..I have no problems with anything.
But I would love a link to the "article" that you pasted on here.

it was a part of the deal between God and Abraham

It's ok man, I'm sure your foreskin is in heaven, don't weep for it..

heres
http://www.cirp.org/library/statemen...s/1996-02_ACS/


and heres what you throw away in the surgery bin:

*1. The frenar band of soft ridges--the single most pleasure producing zone on the male body. Loss of this densely innervated and reactive belt of tissue reduces the sensitivity of the remaining penis to about that of ordinary skin.

2. Approximately half of the temperature reactive smooth muscle sheath called the dartos fascia.

3. Specialized epithelial Langerhans cells, a component of the immune system.

*4. An estimated 240 feet of microscopic nerves, including branches of the dorsal nerve.

*5. Between 10,000 to 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types, which can discern slight motion, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations in texture. This loss includes thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors called the Meissner's corpuscles - the most important sensory component in the foreskin.

6. Estrogen receptors the purpose and value of which are not yet fully understood.

*7. More than 50% of the mobile penile skin, the multi-purpose covering of the glans, that shields all of the specialized penile skin from abrasion, drying, and callusing (by keratin cell layering), and protects it from dirt and other contaminants. The debilitating sexual consequences of keratinizing the glans have never been studied.

8. The immunological defense system of the soft mucosa, which may produce antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as lysozyme, also found in mothers milk, and plasma cells, which secrete immunoglobulin antibodies.

9. Lymphatic vessels, the loss of which interrupts the lymph flow within a part of the bodys immune system.

*10. The frenulum, the very sensitive "V" shaped web-like tethering structure on the underside of the glans; usually amputated along with the foreskin, or severed, which destroys its functionality.

*11. The apocrine glands of the inner foreskin, which produce pheromones--natures powerful, silent, invisible behavioral signals to potential sexual partners. They contribute significantly to sexuality. Their loss is unstudied.

12. Ectopic sebaceous glands, which lubricate and moisturize.

*13. The essential "gliding" mechanism. If unfolded and spread out flat, the average adult foreskin measures about 15 square inches, the size of a postcard. This abundance of specialized, self-lubricating mobile skin gives the natural penis its unique hallmark ability to smoothly "glide" in and out within itself--permitting natural non-abrasive masturbation and intercourse, without drying out the vagina or requiring artificial lubricants.

14. The pink to red to dark purple natural coloration of the glans, normally an internal organ--like the tongue.

*15. A significant amount of the penis circumference because its double layered wrapping of loose foreskin is now missing making the circumcised penis defectively thinner than a full-sized intact penis.

*16. As much as one inch of the erect penis length due to amputation when the connective tissue is torn apart during "circumcision." This shared membrane tightly fuses the foreskin and the glans together while the penis develops. Ripping it apart wounds the glans, leaving it raw and subject to infection, scarring, and shrinkage.

*17. Several feet of blood vessels, including the frenular artery and branches of the dorsal artery. The loss of this dense vascularity interrupts normal blood flow to the shaft and glans of the penis, obviously damaging its natural function and possibly stunting its complete and healthy development.

18. Every year boys lose their penises altogether from botched "circumcisions" and infections accidents happen. They are then "sexually reassigned" by transgender surgery and must live their lives as females.

19. Every year many boys lose their lives from the complications of medically unnecessary circumcisions. The cause of these deaths are a fact the billion dollar per year circumcision industry willfully obscures and conceals.

*20. Although not yet proved scientifically, there is considerable new evidence that an incomplete penis loses its capacity for the subtle electromagnetic "cross-communication" that occurs only during contact between two mucous membranes, and which contributes to the perception of sexual ecstasy. In other words, medically unjustified foreskin amputation of boys ultimately diminishes the intensity of orgasms for both men and women!

I am not sure if that makes me feel better or worse :(

and this is why millions of boys are mutilated :

Routine circumcision as a preventative or cure for masturbation was proposed in Victorian times in America. Masturbation was thought to be the cause of a number of diseases. The procedure of routine circumcision became commonplace between 1870 and 1920, and it consequently spread to all the English-speaking countries (England, Canada, Australia and New Zealand). None of these countries now circumcise the majority of their male children, a distinction reserved today for the United States (in the UK, in fact, nonreligious circumcision has virtually ceased). Yet, there are still those who promote this social surgery, long after the masturbation hysteria of the past century has subsided.


"By about 1880 the individual... might wish[to]... tie, chain, or infibulate sexually active children... to adorn them with grotesque appliances, encase them in plaster, leather, or rubber, to frighten or even castrate them... masturbation insanity was now real enough--it was affecting the medical profession."
(B. Berkeley, quoted from _Circumcision: The Painful Dilemma_, by Rosemary Romberg, Bergin & Garvey Publisher, Inc, S. Hadley MA, USA, 1985, ISBN 089789-073-6)

Dr. E.J. Spratling, who promoted this surgery by telling his colleagues that "...circumcision is undoubtedly the physician's closest friend and ally..." prescribed in 1895 the method of circumcision as it is practiced in hospitals today.


"To obtain the best results one must cut away enough skin and mucous membrane to rather put it on the stretch when erections come later. There must be no play in the skin after the wound has thoroughly healed, but it must fit tightly over the penis, for should there be any play the patient will be found to readily resume his practice not begrudging the time and extra energy required to produce the orgasm... We may not be sure that we have done away with the possibility of masturbation, but we may feel confident that we have limited it to within the danger lines."
(E.J. Spratling, MD. Medical Record, Masturbation in the Adult, vol. 48, no. 13, September 28, 1895, pp. 442-443.)

Here is an example of what another sexaphobic American doctor had to say about masturbation in 1903:


"It (self abuse) lays the foundation for consumption, paralysis and heart disease. It weakens the memory, makes a boy careless, negligent and listless. It even makes many lose their minds; others, when grown, commit suicide.... Don't think it does no harm to your boy because he does not suffer now, for the effects of this vice come on so slowly that the victim is often very near death before you realize that he has done himself harm. It is worthy of note that many eminent physicians now advocate the custom of circumcision..."


Interestingly, Messrs. John Harvey Kellogg and Sylvester Graham (advocates of fibre, of both the moral and dietary varieties) were involved in this movement. Here's what Dr. Kellogg recommended:
A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment. In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement.


it was to help stop masturbation.. yeah.. im glad i've still got my 10,000 sexual orgasn nerves and didn't lose them because of some ignorant uptight nutbags.


sorry if it seems like im being really hard headed about this.. it's just so many people are so ignorant about the issue because of how accepted and commonplace it is in a couple of areas.