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Slinx 07-06-2004 10:14 AM

Why can't Epoch, CCBill, IBill & Co. ...
 
... bill European customers in Euro?

It is very difficult to find a satisfying billing solution for Euro-billing. A lot of EU customers want to pay in their home currency. At the moment they get an added value because of the low US Dollar.
But if the Dollar rises they will request to get billed in Euro.

Where is the problem for the processing companies to charge in Euro?

Slinx 07-06-2004 02:14 PM

Nobody? Plz :helpme

chipmunk 07-06-2004 02:19 PM

Hello Slinx,
Billing in other currencies is extremely complex. I know from experience due to SEXMoney.com being coded from the ground up, offering both US and EU currency options.
Also besides billing the customer in their native currency, the webmasters must also be put into consideration. I know we pay our North American & Australian Webmasters in USD, and those outside the US in Europe are paid in Euros. Its rather complex as the signup amounts must be converted over within the system, and then the appropriate webmaster payout amounts from that conversion and so forth.

I would be glad to discuss this in much grater length if you wish via ICQ, phone or email...

Warm regards,
--=Chipmunk=--
:thumbsup

Validus 07-06-2004 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slinx
Nobody? Plz :helpme
Processing in multiple currencies is not as easy as it sounds. The back-end and databases need to support multiple currencies; the merchant account also needs to support multiple currencies. It is more complex then one would think. There is much much more to take into consideration.

I hope that answered your question a little.

Validus 07-06-2004 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chipmunk
Hello Slinx,
Billing in other currencies is extremely complex. I know from experience due to SEXMoney.com being coded from the ground up, offering both US and EU currency options.
Also besides billing the customer in their native currency, the webmasters must also be put into consideration. I know we pay our North American & Australian Webmasters in USD, and those outside the US in Europe are paid in Euros. Its rather complex as the signup amounts must be converted over within the system, and then the appropriate webmaster payout amounts from that conversion and so forth.

I would be glad to discuss this in much grater length if you wish via ICQ, phone or email...

Warm regards,
--=Chipmunk=--
:thumbsup

Right on, LOL. Good answer!

chipmunk 07-06-2004 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Validus
Processing in multiple currencies is not as easy as it sounds. The back-end and databases need to support multiple currencies; the merchant account also needs to support multiple currencies. It is more complex then one would think. There is much much more to take into consideration.

I hope that answered your question a little.

Right on Validus !!! I think we can conclude thats its really really really complex :)

DutchTeenCash 07-06-2004 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slinx
... bill European customers in Euro?

It is very difficult to find a satisfying billing solution for Euro-billing. A lot of EU customers want to pay in their home currency. At the moment they get an added value because of the low US Dollar.
But if the Dollar rises they will request to get billed in Euro.

Where is the problem for the processing companies to charge in Euro?

weve got a lot of EU customers, must say in all those years i never got 1 request of billing in EU, so why do you think they want that ? 20 cents more or less doesnt make the world difference for a 24,95 signup, most ppl pay a lot more on interest on their cc statements...

Slinx 07-06-2004 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chipmunk
Hello Slinx,
Billing in other currencies is extremely complex. I know from experience due to SEXMoney.com being coded from the ground up, offering both US and EU currency options.
Also besides billing the customer in their native currency, the webmasters must also be put into consideration. I know we pay our North American & Australian Webmasters in USD, and those outside the US in Europe are paid in Euros. Its rather complex as the signup amounts must be converted over within the system, and then the appropriate webmaster payout amounts from that conversion and so forth.

I would be glad to discuss this in much grater length if you wish via ICQ, phone or email...

Warm regards,
--=Chipmunk=--
:thumbsup

Thanks for the answer. Yes, I can imagine the work for database coding and so on. A lot of Sexmoney's clients are from Europe and you have reacted to the needs of the customers.

I will bookmark this thread and will remember your offer to have a small chat about this issue.
I hope some other webmasters are interested in this theme too.

andrej_NDC 07-06-2004 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thinkx
20 cents more or less doesnt make the world difference for a 24,95 signup, most ppl pay a lot more on interest on their cc statements...
20 cents? :1orglaugh

Slinx 07-06-2004 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thinkx
weve got a lot of EU customers, must say in all those years i never got 1 request of billing in EU, so why do you think they want that ? 20 cents more or less doesnt make the world difference for a 24,95 signup, most ppl pay a lot more on interest on their cc statements...
I'm interested in a Euro solution. And it's not only 20 cents. At the moment the Europeans pay for a $24,95 signup around 20 Euro. But the times will change and the conversion ratio will drop. Then the EU's will calculate twice if they have to pay 30 Euro for a $25 sign up.
And: If you could charge them in Euro at the moment you would have 20% money in your pockets.

:2 cents:

andrej_NDC 07-06-2004 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slinx
Then the EU's will calculate twice if they have to pay 30 Euro for a $25 sign up.
LOL you expect 50% increase in value of US dollar?????

sperbonzo 07-06-2004 02:51 PM

Quote:

Thanks for the answer. Yes, I can imagine the work for database coding and so on. A lot of Sexmoney's clients are from Europe and you have reacted to the needs of the customers.
It has much less to do with the database coding, and much more to do with banking procedures and credit card regulations. In order to charge in Euro's, the BANK must charge in Euro's. This typically involves using an EU bank. According to cross-border acquiring rules, the processor, the bank, and the merchant must all be located in the same region. Once you find a bank that will accept IPSP merchant accounts, and bills in Euro's, you THEN have to find one that is willing to bill in Dollars also (since 70%+ of credit card transactions online are in Dollars).

Finding a bank that will do all this is virtually impossible, especially given the complexities of tracking and seperating the origin of the transactions and also conpensating for changing exchange rates in dealing with the Processor. THEN the processor would have to deal with exchange rates in dealing with the merchants, etc, etc, etc.....

The problems become immense.

BTW.....Hi Chipmonk! How are things going with you?:)

Slinx 07-06-2004 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by andrej_NDC
LOL you expect 50% increase in value of US dollar?????
Not in the short term. But currencies fluctuate and in the past there was a exchange rate of 1,20 Euro for one Dollar.

Let's Greenspan the interest rate raise and Kerry the election win and then we can speak again :winkwink:

chipmunk 07-06-2004 02:58 PM

Sperbonzo How the heck are ya man!!!!

Good seeing you out in San Diego

Thanx for the detailed info there.... Much appreciated!

The Laptop Saga is still going... Long long story!

Talk to you soon man!:thumbsup

---=Chipmunk=---

andrej_NDC 07-06-2004 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slinx
Not in the short term. But currencies fluctuate and in the past there was a exchange rate of 1,20 Euro for one Dollar.

Let's Greenspan the interest rate raise and Kerry the election win and then we can speak again :winkwink:

well, that would be a dream also for me, few years back I got for US dollar 50% more, when I think about that and the income I have now...Damn I could be already rich still getting as much. But I hope at least it will be a little better with Kerry, hope he win, please god!

Global Dialers 07-06-2004 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Validus
Processing in multiple currencies is not as easy as it sounds. The back-end and databases need to support multiple currencies; the merchant account also needs to support multiple currencies. It is more complex then one would think. There is much much more to take into consideration.
so you are saying that manstream processors have figured this out but adult ones havent

come on if they can do it easily in mainstream considerig they usually take from us it shouldnt be to hard for us to take from them for a change lol

lacorporacione 07-07-2004 01:48 AM

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NETbilling 07-18-2004 08:44 PM

Sorry for the delayed post. I have been out of town.

Netbilling can set you up with a Euro merchant account that will bill and settle in Euros This is not a problem for us to do but you must have a Euro corp.

Let me know if you are interested.

Thank you, Mitch Farber

Drake 07-18-2004 09:57 PM

Are there no other 3rd party billing processors located outside of the US other than Verotel?

Why are Euro webmasters always in need of a US based 3rd party processor? Can anybody shed some light? I'm in darkness.

FlyingIguana 07-18-2004 10:03 PM

i wanna get paid in euro

us $ is turning into monopoly money

TheDoc 07-18-2004 10:19 PM

Epoch now process euro dollars. It's on every epoch join from from what I gather. I think they guarantee the rate for 3 months.

viocard 07-19-2004 01:43 AM

VICOARD.COM works with both European and American banks-equirers and accepts international businesses. Having a VIOCARD Merchant Account allows you to accept foreign currencies.

If you are interested, contact our sales representative for more information.

psyko514 07-19-2004 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slinx
I'm interested in a Euro solution. And it's not only 20 cents. At the moment the Europeans pay for a $24,95 signup around 20 Euro. But the times will change and the conversion ratio will drop. Then the EU's will calculate twice if they have to pay 30 Euro for a $25 sign up.
And: If you could charge them in Euro at the moment you would have 20% money in your pockets.

:2 cents:

personally, if i was billing in euro and usd, i'd make sure the charge was always the same no matter what the currency. if my site was $19.99 USD, i'd also make sure it was the equivalent price in euros.

it wouldn't make sense otherwise.

Gunni 07-19-2004 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slinx
Not in the short term. But currencies fluctuate and in the past there was a exchange rate of 1,20 Euro for one Dollar.

Let's Greenspan the interest rate raise and Kerry the election win and then we can speak again :winkwink:

That would be sweet!
I'd be very happy if I got more euros for my dollars :)


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