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KRL 11-10-2004 10:50 PM

Antigua Won! WTO Says US Can't Ban Internet Gambling.
 
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Antigua and Barbuda beat long odds as the World Trade Organization confirmed a ruling that a ban in the United States on Internet gambling violates global trading rules.

The Geneva-based WTO, in a report released Wednesday, held that the US ban on web gambling is effectively an unfair trade barrier that hurts the gaming industry of the tiny two-island Caribbean nation.

US prohibitions on Internet gambling "are inconsistent with US obligations" under the 1995 General Agreement on Tariffs and Services, the WTO panel wrote in Geneva, affirming an interim decision in March.

In a statement, Antigua welcomed the decision and called it "reminiscent of the story of David and Goliath."

But Richard Mills of the office of the US Trade Representative called the decision "deeply flawed" and pointed out that Washington "clearly intended to exclude gambling from US services commitments" when the agreements were negotiated.

"We will vigorously appeal this deeply flawed report to the WTO Appellate Body and remain confident in the basis for reversing this panel report," he said.

A senior US trade official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that if the US appeal fails, Washington may simply revise its commitment under the GATS agreement to exclude gambling.

"The parties do retain rights to make changes under GATS," the official said.

The WTO panel ruling acknowledged that Washington may have intended to exclude gambling from the treaty but that Internet gambling is covered under the services agreement of global trade agreements.

"We have, therefore, some sympathy with the United States' point in this regard," the WTO panel wrote.

"However, the scope of a specific commitment cannot depend upon what a member intended or did not intend to do at the time of the negotiations."

A patchwork of regulations in US states regulate gambling, while federal laws ban any form of "interstate" betting. US Justice Department officials contend that any Internet gambling is illegal, but prosecution has been spotty.

Antigua argued that since many forms of wagering are permitted in the United States -- such as casino gambling in Las Vegas and elsewhere and horse track betting -- that a ban on gambling from "remote" gambling from the Internet was unfair.

The senior US official rejected this argument, saying, "I don't think it's fair to say because there's gambling in Las Vegas it undermines a ban on Internet gambling, where you could have minors participating."

The official added that because this ban applies to US and non-US gaming operators, "Antigua and Barbuda is not being treated any differently from any US company."

Washington also maintained that GATS allows each member country latitude in regulating "public morals."

But the WTO wrote that the arguments from Washington carry less weight because of the wide variety of gambling options that are legal in the United States.

Antigua had claimed it lost more than 90 million dollars and 4,000 jobs because of the US ban.

"The United States has taken an aggressive approach to betting services based overseas," the government said in a statement.

"However, the US government raises significant revenue from betting services within its own borders and the Interactive Gaming Council (trade group) suggests the United States is home to at least half the worldwide online gaming market."

"The US says it wants open competition," said Ronald Sanders, Antigua's former WTO ambassador.

"But it only wants free trade when it suits the US."

hershie 11-10-2004 11:03 PM

Here's the story from The New York Times:

November 11, 2004
W.T.O. Explains Ruling Against U.S. Internet Gambling Ban
By MATT RICHTEL

The World Trade Organization explained yesterday why it had ruled that the United States violated its international trade obligations by prohibiting Americans from gambling over the Internet.

A W.T.O. panel that resolves disputes among members gave specific reasons behind the decision, which was issued last March. At the time, the Department of Justice vowed to appeal the ruling and several members of Congress angrily asserted the decision was equivalent to having the rest of the world dictate United States policy.

In its explanation, the W.T.O. said it was not seeking to undermine the ability of the United States, or any of its members, to regulate industry within its borders. Rather, the panel said that the United States policy prohibiting Internet gambling was inconsistent with longstanding trade agreements.

The ruling stems from a case brought in June 2003 by the Caribbean island nation of Antigua and Barbuda. It argued that United States trade policy did not prohibit Internet gambling and that to do so would be hypocritical given the huge overseas presence of American gambling enterprises.

The ruling allowed Antigua and Barbuda to issue trade sanctions against the United States, said Sebastian Sinclair, an Internet gambling industry analyst with Christiansen Capital Advisors. But Mr. Sinclair said it would be unlikely that such sanctions would have any effect.

He said the larger issue was whether another, larger nation might use the ruling to challenge the United States' policy. And he said that the decision underscored a larger problem: that the United States is markedly out of step with many other nations, which not only allow Internet gambling but license and authorize Internet casinos within their shores.

Despite prohibitions against Internet gambling in the United States, millions of Americans participate in the activity, using credit cards or online payment services to wager on sports or games like poker, blackjack and roulette. Americans will be responsible for about half of the $7.6 billion lost this year on Internet wagers, Mr. Sinclair said.

The effort to regulate and prohibit Internet gambling has been particularly tricky for the United States because the operations are based overseas and players are logging on from home.

Mr. Sinclair said the challenges were similar to those facing the music industry, which has struggled to fight piracy over the Internet.

CyberTraffic 11-10-2004 11:34 PM

Does that mean sites like Google will allow it on their advertising again?

BoNgHiTtA 11-10-2004 11:37 PM

Well I guess we better go liberate the Antiqua people from there opressive government then.

I heard they had WMD

polish_aristocrat 11-11-2004 03:27 AM

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Originally posted by CyberTraffic
Does that mean sites like Google will allow it on their advertising again?

slavdogg 11-11-2004 03:31 AM

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Originally posted by CyberTraffic
Does that mean sites like Google will allow it on their advertising again?
i doubt it
findwhat just pulled their gambling links or is about to
you can still buy gambling traffic from roar.com and espotting.com

BRISK 11-11-2004 03:39 AM

Am I the only one who's reading this and wondering why the "Land of the Free" is the one fighting to restrict the freedoms of its citizens, and Antigua is the one saying "C'mon man! Let the people gamble if they want to!"?


Here's a quote I like from Dave Matthews:

"For a country that's obsessed by its freedoms, it's amazing how much time we spend whittling away at them."

pornstar2pac 11-11-2004 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by slavdogg
i doubt it
findwhat just pulled their gambling links or is about to
you can still buy gambling traffic from roar.com and espotting.com


When Party Poker goes public, that's when you will see some kind of reaction from the feds.



$3 Billion IPO:)

Spunky 11-11-2004 08:33 PM

Good news indeed :glugglug

pornstar2pac 11-11-2004 08:49 PM

http://premium.uploadit.org/freepic1/antigua2.jpg



This is Antigua. I loved living down there. will go back soon:2 cents:

crockett 11-11-2004 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by pornstar2pac
http://premium.uploadit.org/freepic1/antigua2.jpg



This is Antigua. I loved living down there. will go back soon:2 cents:

nice looking pic.. what's the cost of living there and how's the internet access?

Fletch XXX 11-11-2004 09:42 PM

:glugglug

FlyingIguana 11-11-2004 09:52 PM

the states should have embraced online gaming instead of forcing companies to start up on the islands.

they cry like babies when they lose out on money

pornstar2pac 11-11-2004 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by crockett
nice looking pic.. what's the cost of living there and how's the internet access?


cost a shitload of money to live there and internet access cost money.


It's a place I will return too that's for sure

Paul Markham 11-11-2004 10:57 PM

So what are the chances of banning porn?

A lot less I would say. :thumbsup :thumbsup

detoxed 11-11-2004 10:59 PM

USA is appealing the decision of course....

pornstar2pac 11-12-2004 03:35 AM

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Originally posted by detoxed
USA is appealing the decision of course....

in 6 months they will see they are losing billions of dollars in tax rev. and will decide it's time to "Regulate It)

Webby 11-12-2004 04:17 AM

Damned skippy!! :glugglug

This has been going on for years and time and again the US kept up shit to kill it - clearly absurd conduct for a supposed civilized country.

When I lived there the Anitguan govt verbal, at that time to Janet Reno, was "Why don't you run your bannana republic and leave this country to manage it's own affairs?" :winkwink:


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