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Jace 05-04-2005 09:49 PM

Bush Stepping up Obscenity Prosecutions
 
Since 2001, 40 people and businesses have been convicted and 20 additional indictments are pending

WASHINGTON - Thomas Lambert made no attempt to hide the kind of videos he peddled from his Montana home - hard-core sex tapes involving bestiality, sadomasochism and simulated rape.

The 65-year-old former schoolteacher had little reason to believe he could get in trouble. He was selling tapes to adults who wanted them and there had not been a federal obscenity prosecution in Montana in at least 16 years, according to his lawyer, Mark Errebo.

But Lambert and co-defendant Sanford Wasserman were charged last spring with violating federal obscenity statutes. In pleading guilty, they joined a growing number of purveyors of pornography whom the Bush administration has pursued.

Since 2001, 40 people and businesses have been convicted and 20 additional indictments are pending, said Andrew Oosterbaan, chief of the Justice Department's child exploitation and obscenity section. By comparison, there were four such prosecutions during the eight years of the Clinton administration, he said.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, like his immediate predecessor, John Ashcroft, has pledged to make obscenity prosecutions a priority. The department is expected to announce soon the creation of a special unit within its criminal division to focus on adult obscenity cases.

"Enforcement is absolutely necessary if we are going to protect citizens from unwanted exposure to obscene materials," Gonzales recently told federal prosecutors. He directed U.S. attorneys to report back by late July on effective ways to crack down on obscenity and what tools the prosecutors might need.

Those kind of words please religious conservatives, who claim the Clinton administration virtually ignored the proliferation of pornography, particularly on the Internet, during the 1990s.

Critics say a few dozen criminal cases will not dent an industry with an estimated $10 billion a year in sales. Moreover, they say, the effort is an assault on the First Amendment protection of speech and expression, however distasteful.

"They'll find some sacrificial victims, but the porn industry will go on," said Marjorie Heins, founder of the Free Expression Policy Project at New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.

A proponent of strict enforcement of obscenity laws agreed with Heins that so far, the administration has aimed mostly at minor figures in the industry.

"At some point, they're going to have to ratchet it up if they want to do something meaningful," said Robert Peters, president of Morality in Media.

Oosterbaan said the government has won convictions in high-profile cases. He cited a guilty plea last year from John Coil of Highland Village, Texas, who owned and operated 27 adult-oriented businesses in Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. Coil forfeited an estimated $8.1 million in property to the government and was sentenced to more than five years in prison.

In addition, there is the 23-count indictment against Edward Wedelstedt of Littleton, Colo., and his Goalie Entertainment Holdings Inc. Wedelstedt owns pornographic bookstores in 18 states; the indictment lists six allegedly obscene videos and DVDs.

The government is seeking the forfeiture of millions of dollars in real estate and other property, including a Lear jet, in the Wedelstedt case.

Henry W. Asbill of Washington, Wedelstedt's lawyer, said the indictment was politically motivated.

"My client supplies his own stores with adult materials that are for adults only. Consenting adults come into the stores and view or rent or buy the movies," Asbill said.

In trying to prosecute obscenity, it long has been difficult to distinguish obscenity from indecent content. As former Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart once famously said about hard-core pornography, "I know it when I see it."

The Supreme Court has ruled that many dirty pictures are constitutionally protected free speech that adults have the right to see and buy. The high court also has rebuffed Congress' attempts to ban or restrict adult-oriented Web sites.

But the court also set out ground rules for obscenity in its landmark 1973 ruling in Miller v. California that allow the standards for offending material to vary from one community to the next.

The Justice Department's approach has been to identify videos that even some in the pornography business find unappealing and to bring charges in more socially conservatives places, where possible.

In the Montana case, Lambert distributed videos that even his lawyer said were "frankly, disgusting."

In the case against Wedelstedt, the government filed charges in Dallas, where the Colorado resident was indicted.

But a recent court decision in Pittsburgh could upset the administration's plans. U.S. District Judge Gary Lancaster tossed out an obscenity indictment against Extreme Associates Inc. and its owners, Robert Zicari, and his wife, Janet Romano, both of Northridge, Calif.

Lancaster ruled that prosecutors overstepped their bounds while trying to block the company's hard-core movies from children and from adults who did not want to see such material. He said the company can market and distribute its materials because people have a right to view them in the privacy of their own homes.

Tango 05-04-2005 09:53 PM

where is this from?
what date?

Wizzo 05-05-2005 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tango
where is this from?
what date?

Off the wire, today... Saw it on the news this morning...

Harmon 05-05-2005 05:22 AM

"Thomas Lambert made no attempt to hide the kind of videos he peddled from his Montana home - hard-core sex tapes involving bestiality, sadomasochism and simulated rape."

Ummm... :uhoh

Manowar 05-05-2005 05:31 AM

no surprise if he was doing beast and sim. rape

v4 media 05-05-2005 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Manowar
no surprise if he was doing beast and sim. rape

Yep go after all of them first, should take a few years..

ADL Colin 05-05-2005 05:59 AM

POOR JOURNALISM.

It is not true that there were only 4 such cases under Clinton in 8 years.

For example: "In fiscal year 1997, there were only six prosecutions in which the lead charge was a violation of federal obscenity laws. In fiscal year 1998, the number was eight." That's 14 in 2 years right there.

SOURCE: http://www.moralityinmedia.org/index...lintonporn.htm

Here are the press releases releated to the "40 prosecutions"
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/ceos/pressreleases.html

Almost all child porn and sex traficking with the exceptions mentioned in the article (bestiality, simulated rape, tax evasion). I personally don't agree with prosecutions for bestiality and simulated rape but my point is that the reality is quite different than that portrayed in this article and the article is just flat our wrong on some points.

12clicks 05-05-2005 06:06 AM

god damn, this sky is taking a long time to fall. :1orglaugh

Adult Site Traffic 05-05-2005 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manowar
no surprise if he was doing beast and sim. rape

No shit.

I guess my shaved pink shots and ass plundering vids are still a pretty safe bet :pimp

Pimpimp

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who 05-05-2005 06:30 AM

Interesting how they refer to Bush as 'The Bush Administration' all the time now...They never had to do that with any of the good presidents.

Adult Site Traffic 05-05-2005 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by .?.
Interesting how they refer to Bush as 'The Bush Administration' all the time now...They never had to do that with any of the good presidents.

Ah hahahaha ha. SO true !

.

12clicks 05-05-2005 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .?.
Interesting how they refer to Bush as 'The Bush Administration' all the time now...They never had to do that with any of the good presidents.

I'm betting you're not old enough to remember the last administration.

MandyBlake 05-05-2005 07:10 AM

i would love it if they put some clear, precise definition to obscenity. that would make everything so much eaiser.

Redrob 05-05-2005 07:12 AM

As the DOJ is under mandate from Congress to report the number of obscenity prosecutions, there will be some action in the foreseeable future. I don't think that Attorney General Gonzales wants to report "no action" to Congress. With these Christo-nazi Republicans in charge of Congress, he would probably take a hit and loose his job. And, that looks bad on your resume when you apply for dogcatcher.

pstation 05-05-2005 07:15 AM

awesome news :thumbsup can't wait till they start cracking down on hardcore porn :)

Tango 05-05-2005 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pstation
awesome news :thumbsup can't wait till they start cracking down on hardcore porn :)

I hope your joking - hardcore legal porn - I see no problems
the Illegal stuff - ya of course - no brainer

ProjectNaked 05-05-2005 07:53 AM

That's a good read...looks like a few people may want to "clean up" their businesses...it would suck to wake up and find out your a government target.

Pleasurepays 05-05-2005 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Harmon
"Thomas Lambert made no attempt to hide the kind of videos he peddled from his Montana home - hard-core sex tapes involving bestiality, sadomasochism and simulated rape."

Ummm... :uhoh

sounds like he deserves to be in jail

Rebecca Love 05-05-2005 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks
god damn, this sky is taking a long time to fall. :1orglaugh

There is a whole lot of sky, give it time...... :helpme

cherrylula 05-05-2005 08:05 AM

damn, so much for herfirstdogdick.com :(

vicki 05-05-2005 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MandyBlake
i would love it if they put some clear, precise definition to obscenity. that would make everything so much eaiser.

this is all we have so far:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...g/cambria.html


:helpme

ADL Colin 05-12-2005 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .?.
Interesting how they refer to Bush as 'The Bush Administration' all the time now...They never had to do that with any of the good presidents.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...&bt nG=Search

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,240,000 for "clinton administration". (0.06 seconds)

latinasojourn 05-12-2005 09:18 AM

mainstream porn, the type the ordinary member of a grand jury can walk into his small town video store and rent, and take home and watch (ordinary fucking and sucking) will not be convictable in the usa.

but listen carefully now; VERY CAREFULLY.

you are AT RISK if you are a purveyor of rough sex, degrading sex, excrement sex, or anything that "appears" non-consensual.

even if all parties are adults, and no matter how many model releases you hold.

i'm not going to say these items are convictable, i'm saying you are at risk.

because when the DOJ comes knocking on your door you have lost---whether or not you win or lose in court.

GatorB 05-12-2005 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaceXXX
[size=+2]"Enforcement is absolutely necessary if we are going to protect citizens from unwanted exposure to obscene materials," Gonzales recently told federal prosecutors. He directed U.S. attorneys to report back by late July on effective ways to crack down on obscenity and what tools the prosecutors might need.

If people don't want to be exposed to these materials my I suggest not typing WOMEN FUCKING DOGS over at Google then. Meanwhile somewhere a terrorist is building a dirty bomb while the AG is looking for porn pedlers.

nojob 05-12-2005 09:25 AM

We need a good advocate for the industry.

chadglni 05-12-2005 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Almighty Colin
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...&bt nG=Search

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,240,000 for "clinton administration". (0.06 seconds)

Wow, that's amazing.

Results 1 - 10 of about 29,200,000 for bush administration. (0.08 seconds)

My math may be off but that looks like way the fuck more no?

12clicks 05-12-2005 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .?.
Interesting how they refer to Bush as 'The Bush Administration' all the time now...They never had to do that with any of the good presidents.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Adult Site Traffic
Ah hahahaha ha. SO true !

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,240,000 for "clinton administration".
Results 1 - 10 of about 29,200,000 for bush administration.


The rabble truly have no shame. They'll just move on to the next subject like this one never existed. :1orglaugh

directfiesta 05-12-2005 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latinasojourn
mainstream porn, the type the ordinary member of a grand jury can walk into his small town video store and rent, and take home and watch (ordinary fucking and sucking) will not be convictable in the usa.

but listen carefully now; VERY CAREFULLY.

you are AT RISK if you are a purveyor of rough sex, degrading sex, excrement sex, or anything that "appears" non-consensual.

even if all parties are adults, and no matter how many model releases you hold.

i'm not going to say these items are convictable, i'm saying you are at risk.

because when the DOJ comes knocking on your door you have lost---whether or not you win or lose in court.

quite exact.

GatorB 05-12-2005 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .?.
Interesting how they refer to Bush as 'The Bush Administration' all the time now...They never had to do that with any of the good presidents.


They've always heard "administration" I'm 36 and I can remember hearing that since Ford. Maybe "Bush Administration" get more results because

A) Bush is the CURRENT administration.

B) Clinton's first term was over before google even existed.

C) There have been 2 Bush administrations.

nico-t 05-12-2005 11:21 AM

everybody knows bush is the stupid puppet of the real leaders behind the scenes............ and they can fuck up all they want since only bush takes the heat for all the retarded shit they did

Major (Tom) 05-12-2005 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latinasojourn
mainstream porn, the type the ordinary member of a grand jury can walk into his small town video store and rent, and take home and watch (ordinary fucking and sucking) will not be convictable in the usa.

but listen carefully now; VERY CAREFULLY.

you are AT RISK if you are a purveyor of rough sex, degrading sex, excrement sex, or anything that "appears" non-consensual.

even if all parties are adults, and no matter how many model releases you hold.

i'm not going to say these items are convictable, i'm saying you are at risk.

because when the DOJ comes knocking on your door you have lost---whether or not you win or lose in court.


Everyone is at risk. But I agree, the good stuff is at higher risk.

Duke

12clicks 05-12-2005 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nico-t
everybody knows bush is the stupid puppet of the real leaders behind the scenes............ and they can fuck up all they want since only bush takes the heat for all the retarded shit they did

oooohhh, who are the "real leaders"?
enlighten us.


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