REMINDER: 60 years ago, Soviet Forces took the nazi capital. All americans should
 

thank them.

REMINDER: DorkChops is an idiot.

Thank me for reminding you.

shut up ******.

Thanks for 50 years of communism in eastern Europe, Russia.

No need to thank a government. We should thank the people who did help us, and were "good" in the war. So yes I'm thankful for the people who liberated us, and we can say here what we want etc.

Not only Russians, also Canadians, Americans etc.

However, I'm sure latvija won't celebrate this day. It was the start of really bad period for them.

Americans thank someone? lol

I thank them

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many american and british troops were in the capital too. don't forget it was a two front war.

FYI...as decided per agreement by the US and the Soviets...which with hindsight this should not have been agreed to.

Thank you Russia. Thanks for signing a deal with the Nazis and allowing them to invade all of europe until they doublecrossed you and invaded you too.

....but after you fought to defend yourselves...(although you would have let Europe go to hell)..... you did defeat the Nazi's.

Thanks.


Also, thanks for the 40 million or so killed under communism... kept down some of the surplus population over the last century! :thumbsup

The Soviets were the first to enter the gates at Berlin. Don't forget this was a joint effort by all of the allies

Ignorant fuck.

The USSR beat Nazi, with small aid from the West.


Hundreds of German and Russian divisions fighting across enormous costs.

Russia had already decisively won all four of the major battles which crushed the German war making capability:

1) Gates of Moscow Dec 41
2) Stalingrad Feb 43
3) Kursk Jun 43
4) Crushing Army Group Central Jan 44

The Russians had 225 divisions with 22 armored divisions under Koniev and Zhukov in 1945 and were facing the best the Germans could muster.

And the Russians just rolled the Krauts over.

By comparison, Eisenhower had a paultry 18 divisions by August 1944, rounding out to 45 divisions with 13 armoured in Jan 45.

Face it...if the West did nothing, Russians would have marched on Rome and Madrid.

The USSR defeated germany with absolutely zero outside help. IN fact they could have done it a year soon if the US would have stayed out of their way.

And the mere possibility of the USSR entering the Japanese war was enough for the Japs to surrender.

It was actually last week and the only reason that we didn't take Berlin ourselves it that that Eisenhower felt enough Americans had died in the war. The Germans begged to a full surrender to us, but we let Russia savage them...Russia also was also under the command of Stalin at the time, who acually murdered around 43 million of his own people (7 or 8) times what Hitler did.

Maybe we should thank them for that too.

Are you psyched about the new Star Wars flick yet?

sometimes I just wish people would just say - well done to everyone that helped to end an evil period in history and stopped fighting over details. I am in a pissy mood today but the fighting over who did more, etc drives me nuts when surely we should all be happy at the end result.

my late great grandfather fought for the USSR army during ww2. he had a shitload of medals and stuff from the war..
I remember the picture he showed me of him standing in Berlin during the invasion

Of course we all know America entered the war to save Europe the second it started. They didn't wait until they were attacked like Russia did. Also, American corporations and bankers weren't financing and helping build the Nazi war machine. IBM had nothing to do with the Nazi death camps.

sperbonzo, your ability to make a point is unmatched.

Are you ?

[a wise person] acts without claiming the results as his; he achieves his merit and does not rest (arrogantly) in it: -- he does not wish to display his superiority. - Tao Te Ching

Was actually what ? The day that Soviet Forces took Berlin ?

:1orglaugh

One might wonder how the last 60 years of history would have looked had the allies listened to Patton and indeed "kept going" all the way to the pacific from Berlin.

True in some ways, the Americans were mostly against getting involved in Europe (although we were attacked by Japan, not Germany).

Kind of ignored the rest of the post though, didn't you?

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Best post of the thread!

(except maybe the pissy mood bit) :winkwink:

What would they have done once in Berlin ?

Attack the already victorious Soviet army ?

COMUNISM HAS ONLY KILLED 100 MILLION PEOPLE...


LETS GIVE IT ANOTHER CHANCE!


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From what I recall of my history, Patton had more than a few people agreeing with him.

The combined allied army was nothing to sneeze at dude.




And... most of the armaments that the Russians had was munitions sent over there from the USA and Great Britain as part of the "lend-lease" program, of which today most of it has not been paid back (from what I've read).

It was actually last week and the only reason that we didn't take Berlin ourselves it that that Eisenhower felt enough Americans had died in the war. The Germans begged to a full surrender to us, but we let Russia savage them...Russia also was also under the command of Stalin at the time, who acually murdered around 43 million of his own people (7 or 8) times what Hitler did.

Maybe we should thank them for that too.

True in all ways actually, just for the record. America was attacked by Japan, and then Hilter immediately declared war against America.

The rest of your post was about communism killing people, I left it out because it wasn't relevant to my response or, in my opinion, this thread. I don't really understand where you're trying to go with that, I don't see anyone here defending Stalin. America has killed millions of people unnecessarily in Vietnam, Lebanon, Latin America, and Iraq, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be grateful for their efforts in WWII, does it?

For the record...It was actually last week and the only reason that we didn't take Berlin ourselves it that that Eisenhower felt enough Americans had died in the war. The Germans begged to a full surrender to us, but we let Russia savage them...Russia also was also under the command of Stalin at the time, who acually murdered around 43 million of his own people (7 or 8) times what Hitler did.

Maybe we should thank them for that too.

USSR did it all on there own they USSR did it all on there own they nor British or Americans were near the German Capital. God Bless Mother Russia.

Allies were shitting their pants, hoping that Russians wouldn't take whole Europe.





"Land-Lease" was a farce. Airplanes that the Army Air Corp cast off as POS.

The German navy prevented any "lend lease" items from getting across the atlantic. Stalin realized what a miserable failure the program was but supported the myth in order to keep US morale up.

The USSR defeated the Germans with zero outside help. In fact it was Stalin's plan to suck the German's all the way to Moscow & defeat them there.

You seem to be forgetting a nation who had a very important role in this and without them it would not have happened....

Jay are you stupid ?

Russians took complete controll of Berlin on May 9th (Night of May8th to be prescise)

How would have Americans "taken it" if they were not even there ?

Quick everyone! Defend your country's honor by typing words on the interwebs!

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

And who would that be ?

Some were..... while others, were not.

LEND-lease. And when the first of it arrived in Russia the Russian army was so badly retreated and depleated they were barely able to stand let alone fight. The vehicles and armor, weapons and ammo helped breath new life into them.

It's funny to watch you twist facts and pull "myths" right out of thin air, very amusing indeed.

Yes much of it lies at the bottom of the ocean, but much of it still got through.

I'm sure there are good staunch loyal communists in Russia who would agree with you on that. :1orglaugh

I do believe you might finally have something close to being right here..... I'm not sure. But beyond that I wouldn't go trying to make good ol' Joseph out to be some kind of great leader.

Where do you hail from again?

Dumb fuck.

You are correct on all points...other than...it wasn't a plan...they did not have a choice other than retreat...the so called "scorched earth" policy was a plan.

Pig shit.

If it wasn't for the US Hitler would have moved all his troops to the Eastern front and rolled over Russia (hell the were like 1 day away from taking Leningrad).

If it wasn't for the USSR Hitler would have had the Atlantic Wall stuffed with troops from the eastern front making Normandy a disaster.

But it's all moot. The US could have rolled over Germany AND USSR easily in 46 all by it's lonesome. Are you forgetting a little thing called the A-Bomb?

Others like who ? US-UK were the only ones that mattered.


The M3 Lee was known by the Russians as 'The Grave For 5 Brothers'


The four major battles I cite all happened before major lend lease aid had any significant affect on Sov capability and all occured well before Overlord.

Meanwhile, Western forces faced broken units being rebuilt with a couple of crack units here and there. Even then, it too until Aug 44 for Americans to move out--2 full months after the landing.

Most of those tanks were shit quality and got wiped out - same as the Tetrarchs, Cromwells and Churchills we sent them.

The M3 Lee was known by the Russians as 'The Grave For 5 Brothers'

In the last year of the war the Germans had something like 36 divisions committed to the Western Front and 138 divisions committed to the Eastern Front.

At that point the Russians had the most powerful army in history.

I really don't think it was up to anybody to give them permission to do whatever Stalin wanted them to do.

We're all just lucky that war simply didn't break out between Russia and the West at that point whatever else Patton may have felt about it.

For the first time i agree with DarkJedi.
:)

OK, shall we speak our minds?
Who is the great hero of ww2? Yes, its Great Britain. England.
Because it is surrounded by water.It stood alone against nazi tyranny
It asked the Yanks for help when Hitler was invadig Europe with his Nazis.
Did they help England? No. They didn't want to get involved.
But then came Pearl Harbour. And they were fucked and had to join the war.

Last I checked, Patton was a US general. His staffers, followers and fans were mostly, but not all, Americans. Again, from what I remember of my history studies of this time period, he wasn't the only one in the US military expressing sentiments of "dealing with the Russian threat".

You really need to think more about what it took to mobilize a force during those times. To an "army" that was all but beaten, thousands upon thousands of vehicles are needed to get them on their feet. Why? Because millions of tons of people, food, ammo, fuel and weapons needed to be moved around to where it was needed most. VEHICLES did that.... as in the trucks and armored vehicles sent from the US.

Anyone who diminishes the significance of it is in some sort of weird denial.


Bottom line.... the Russian army, although pulling off a huge win for themselves, did not act alone. No one acted alone. How many cocky retards have we seen come on this board and spout off about how the USA won it all and saved the world singel-handedly? Now you come with this.

Unreal.

You are so misinformed on so many points DJ. For one thing, it was far from a one-country-show on the allied side. Ask people over in Europe just how many Canadian, Aussie and British units filed into their towns to liberate them and you'll find out just how far off the mark some of your "facts" are.

And before you start cocking off about Canada like I know you want to, READ.

Lest yap, more read dude. That's what you need. Give your keyboard a rest for a few minutes.

That was DJ's supposition, not mine. I know that the retreat in part was developed into what was later called the scorched-earth policy, I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one point :D

All your SHITTY EUROPEAN COUNTRIES MAY EAT A HITLERS DICK.

As you did it before. :) What did your country do against nazis ?
I'm talking about proud people from Holland, Denmark, fuckin France (jizzed slut) ?
So, please shut the fuck up NOW.
Thank you :)
And guys, :) you all good in porn industry, but when it comes to war or fighting ... face it - you all suck :(
Americans did alot too to help USSR in this war and we all should admit this.