So Bluff, let's see if I have this right...
 

You're pissed at xxxjay because he is on a trip and is partying with Philipinne hookers, and your girlfriend happens to be Philipinno as well.

That about it?


So.... by that same token..... let's say I have a Canadian gf, and oh.... say Dugmor comes along and posts that he is holed up in the Toronto Sheraton with 4 whitebread Canadian streetwalkers. You're saying I should take exception to that and get all up in his face?

If that's your whole basis for today's tantrum, dude.... you have some serious mental issues.

Sorry. That's the way I see it. And yes, it's sad, but also quite funny. See?--> :1orglaugh

I think it's misplaced meds or something. He'll start a thread or two bashing some popular name on the board for no reason and then he'll go back to posting how he "feels gay", how "anal sex is wrong" and a bunch of utter uselessness for a couple weeks.

Rinse and repeat.

first of all, it's filipino. The fact that my gf is originally from the philippines has little to do with all this controverse. It's all about abusing one's situation, and morals, maybe you have heard of them. I hate it just as badly when people visit my country because prostitution happens to be legal.

huh?...am i smelling banned here?lol;)

Hey,

But it's okay to push that gallery of some nameless porn chick getting double ass fucked by Nigerian Bankers, eh?

Please, stop it already.

[QUOTE=bluff]first of all, it's filipino. The fact that my gf is originally from the philippines has little to do with all this controverse. QUOTE]

You really expect us to believe that the fact that your girlfriend is filipino has nothing to do with your angst towards xxxjay for his supposed exploitation of filipino hookers?

Okay, thanks for the further clarification.

Now, I'm still sitting here wondering.... by your account, I am supposed to get pissed off whenever someone hires a Canadian hooker? After all, my ties to Canada are at least as strong as yours to the Philipinnes.

Again, your tantrum is cock-eyed bud. Utterly skewed right out of whack.

Why do you care if xxxjay hires some hookers? If he didn't they would be in some other guy's bed anyway, so really.... why give a fuck? Next week those same 4 girls will all be banging 12 different guys each weather you like it or not. Get over it.

And btw, before you try pulling the "morality" card on me, I don't support prostitution, I've never paid a prostitute for sex and don't intend to. But is it my mission to bitch and moan every time someone else has fun with them? no. It's the cops job to deal with it, not mine. Certainly not yours.

It's legal there you say? Doesn't it being legal basically mean the country you love is telling you to STFU? :1orglaugh

Oh and brother, you are the LAST person to be telling me or anyone how to spell.

No you don't :1orglaugh

sock =! gf

That's right. She is American.

http://sexy-celebs.net/hotlink/troll.gif

America doesnt manufacture socks. Everything is made in China.

Do you guys find it right to travel half way around the world just to be able to say that you fucked a US$5 hooker?

I don't get why xxxjay brag all the time about that....

Why do you care so much what he brags about?

It was tha bacon that did it for me in that thread. :thumbsup

Well, not really, but I don't think is rigth for anyone to stick their noses in other's people affairs. I mean if that's what rocks his boat, who am I to judge him?

That line of reasoning only works for things without a victim. If you decide to shove a baseball bat up your ass and then lick it clean, that's nobody's business but yours, but if you travel to Ethiopia and pay some starving kid $5 to lick it clean for you, it's an entirely different situation.

I think its immoral that filipinos eat dog, but that doesn't automatically make me hate your gf.

oooohh.... that's the best post I've seen all week. :thumbsup

I completely agree, that would be wrong

However the girls in Jay's pics appear to be quite content, happy even. How do you know they do not do this willingly?

My escort service is in the UK, where our currency is stronger than the USD, yet I still have women selling their bodies for sex. All seem happy with the arrangement, who are you to say who is being exploited?

That's a very valid point, but that's why people have LAWS, and I don't think he's breaking any (to my knowledge prostitution is legal there?). So can you please tell me where do you see the victim in this case?

If they're indeed doing it out of their own free will and have economic alternatives, there's nothing wrong with it.

On the other hand, even in my first world country, a recent study found that a fifth of all prostitutes are being forced to do the work. It doesn't seem particularly odd to assume that in third world countries that amount would be much higher, and in that case, abusing that situation could well be considered immoral.

Furthermore, the mere fact that people are smiling and look happy at a certain moment while doing their work does not mean that the situation is morally right. For example, when slavery was legal, one can safely assume that at times, slaves would be laughing, smiling or singing while doing their work. Nevertheless, they were being exploited at the same time.

HAHAHAAA Bluff's GF is a filipina hooker?????? ahahahahahaaaaa aint karma a bitcccchh??!

At one time, slavery was legal. Would you argue that there weren't any victims of it at that time?

Aside from that, if you want to know about the victims of prostitution in the Philippines, enjoy the read:
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/philippi.htm

Ok, I kind of see your point, the demand creates supply, so if it wasn't for the sex tourism, less girls would've been forced into prostitution. But yet again can you be 100% sure that thay would've been better off?

I mean what are their choices? Either become a prostitute or spend your life behind a buffalo in the rice fields.

You don't have to be 100% sure that they would be better off, it's about the morality of your own personal choices. If you willingly choose to exploit someone, the fact that they might be worse off otherwise doesn't make your action any better.

Compare it to the following situation:
You know that there's a group of men after some woman, and you know that they will find her in about two hours and first gangrape her, then torture her to death. Now, you're a good guy, so you decide to do something about it: you find her yourself, rape her just once, then shoot her through the head.

Undoubtedly, she's better off that way, yet what you did was still wrong. That's because you are responsible for your own actions, not for the actions of others.

i don't see anyone claiming prostitution is morally right. Most are just saying "quit yer bitching" about one guy hiring some foreign hookers in a country where it is 100% legal.

That's all.

Like I said earlier, if they weren't banging xxxjay they would be out banging ten other guys right now. If you're going to bitch about prostitution then bitch about prostitution, don't cry about one lone guy doing his thing.

Let's put this way: you are 10 and a female, your family is VERY poor and you live in a poor country. A guy offers US$50 to buy you from your father. Your father agrees to it. 2 months later you have already been fucked by 100 different guys. Your owner never lets you do anything and beats you all the time. You can't run away, you've seen girls getting killed because of that.

THAT'S EXACTLY HOW GIRLS BECOME HOOKERS IN COUNTRIES LIKE THAT.

Now where are all the people that were complaining about CP? Do you really think that that same girl you're fucking now, even though she is older than 18, started doing this because she wanted? Do you think she has a way out?

You guys are fucking clueless.

Try making a perfectly legal underage non-nude site, knowing that if you don't 10 others will, that isn't morally right but perfectly legal, then posting about it on here. You're gonna get slaughtered, and rightly so - when you deliberately show your private life to others, you give them the right to comment on it.

So... he would have been much better off staying in the US and hiring a bouquet of hookers there then?

Ah... got it.

Yet again, read my initial response. Who are we to judge him?

Without knowing you at all I can safely bett that the amount of money you and I spend on pizzas is enough to feed a starving child in Ethiopia, but it's very unlikely that you're going to give up on pizzas and start wiring your money to some African country.

One thing we are good at - judge other people ;)

You can judge whomever you want, especially if that person's actions influence the lives of others and he flaunts his actions by showing off pictures.

I am by no means perfect, yet I feel perfectly comfortable judging people who, for example, make a living exploiting underage sites, legal or not. And so could the guy who posted these pictures, even though he fucks filipino hookers. The one has nothing to do with the other.

I would be a hypocrite if I fucked filipino hookers myself yet condemned someone else for doing it - and yet even if I was a hypocrite my reasoning would be just as valid.

(by the way, for the record, I am only defending this point because everyone else was doing such a bad job at it... when I saw those pics, my only thought was "God damn, I think I know where my next vacation's gonna be!")

Bingo.


Really, the entire basis for MY point of view here is that if you're going to bitch about it, I say quit mouthing off at one lone guy doing it and get your own ass to Manila and start lobbying to get the laws changed.

Otherwise let the man enjoy his bacon. :D

Your point of view misses one important thing: he shared his pics with others, thereby practically inviting them to give their opinions on the matter.

I took that as more of a celebratory thing, and not in the vein of bragging. I did not see him ask anyone if they thought what he was doing was right or wrong though.

I still say if you are against something like that (which is legal), you are wasting your time crying and whining at one lone "offender" when you could be actively working against the entire practice by attempting to have the laws changed.

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It seems to me that there is something of a more personal nature behind this sudden attack than fluff is letting on. Otherwise he's just wasting his time with the little picture.

Shit, did I just call him "fluff"? ha ha.... sorry fl..... uh, Bluff, I meant to say Bluff.


Whupsy.

Ofcourse, he wasn't asking for people's moral judgements, he was just posting fun pics. However, by sharing the pics with others, he inadvertently made it their business.

Well, that's the traditional way to look at it, but postmodernist sociology would disagree with that position. The idea that real changes are made from the top, through purely political means, at first glance seems to be reasonable - how much can a single person do, after all?
However, upon closer inspection, the idea that society is created "from the top" (ie by politics) seems to make less sense than the idea that politics are created "from the bottom" (ie by society). If enough people share an idea, or apply social pressure, society as a whole will probably follow.
If enough people condemn sex tourism and those who engage in it, that social pressure will likely cause a sharp decrease in sex tourism and thus demand, while at the same time it will cause governments to be more likely to take action against it. Getting people to condemn something is in most cases not done through government campaigns, but rather through private conversations.
So, what you're seeing here is "politics in action", in a more direct and fundamental way than purely traditional political action could ever achieve.

PW, I swear sometimes that headfull o' booklearnin' of yours gets you loving the sound of your own keys tapping sometimes. :1orglaugh

Basically, either approach will likely be futile. Certainly, cocking off at one lone offender on a board such as this is going to accomplish sweet piss all as far as their overall cause is concerned, and has in fact only served to further animosity between them and several dozen well-known and established entities in this community. I'm sure a few dozen newbs also think their argument is boned up as well.

As for lobbying governments, well..... of the two plans of attack I would have to say that that one looks the most promising from where I sit, depending on how it's done of course. Tranza and Bluff could pool their limited resources and pay to have their respective countries leafletted heavily in opposition to the current prostitution laws. They could write letters to government officials, and threaten to run smear campaigns should those officials not comply....

Basically, I'm sitting here laughing at the entire argument. At the bottom of it all I find that I am left with my craving for bacon.

I thought bluff was gay.

..and now we are getting racist here!