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J$tyle$ 05-24-2005 07:31 PM

2257 - The sky is falling!!!!
 
Well, not really.

BUT

Like it or not - regardless of what happens with the FSC you all will have work to do.

Some of these things printed in the Federal Rgister today are going to stick and there's nothing the FSC will be able to do about it.

Learn about it. Stay informed.

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...f/05-10107.pdf

If you don't have 2257 info from a content provider GET IT.

If you don't have all 2257 info BE PREPARED to remove that content from your site when time demands it.

Time to run your business as a business.

Get your shit in order or get the fuck out.

:2 cents:

Stallion 05-24-2005 07:32 PM

oh uh sky is falling..... :)

Donny 05-24-2005 07:34 PM

http://www.donovanphillips.com/images/gfy/2257.jpg

tranza 05-24-2005 07:37 PM

Thanks for the heads up...

Honez 05-24-2005 07:48 PM

Donovan stop posting that pic! I haven't had dinner yet.

Donny 05-24-2005 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honez
Donovan stop posting that pic! I haven't had dinner yet.

you know you want the 57 year old...

Brujah 05-24-2005 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips
you know you want the 57 year old...

what's wrong with the 57 year old ?

pr0 05-24-2005 07:54 PM

It's time to run my business by the rules of a nazi regime, is that what you meant by ...."running my business as a business"

All this is going to do is harm the u.s. economy, it will do nothing to stop the proliferation of unregistered & illegal pornography.

J$tyle$ 05-24-2005 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0
It's time to run my business by the rules of a nazi regime, is that what you meant by ...."running my business as a business"

All this is going to do is harm the u.s. economy, it will do nothing to stop the proliferation of unregistered & illegal pornography.

Depends.

IMHO, it will shake out a lot of part timers, free site owners that just can't keep records for whatever reason, and NON-business people ...

AND that will put more money into the pockets of REAL business people that know how to run their businesses that learn and follow the "law".

:2 cents:

Of course I could be completely wrong.

:winkwink:

Brujah 05-24-2005 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$
Depends.

IMHO, it will shake out a lot of part timers, free site owners that just can't keep records for whatever reason, and NON-business people ...

AND that will put more money into the pockets of REAL business people that know how to run their businesses that learn and follow the "law".

:2 cents:

Of course I could be completely wrong.

:winkwink:

J, people say this anytime there are new (CCPA, Visa, etc ) regulations and yet there's no real shakeup. Then there's the usual talk about how program owners will all stop taking affiliates. Woo! The new model, no affiliates or only affiliates currently sending 10+ sales per day, blah blah.. Payouts getting smaller and smaller, there's always the doom and gloom predictions that never come.

ytcracker 05-24-2005 08:13 PM

i think i am like one of 5 people who doesnt give a flying fuck about this stuff

J$tyle$ 05-24-2005 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah
J, people say this anytime there are new (CCPA, Visa, etc ) regulations and yet there's no real shakeup. Then there's the usual talk about how program owners will all stop taking affiliates. Woo! The new model, no affiliates or only affiliates currently sending 10+ sales per day, blah blah.. Payouts getting smaller and smaller, there's always the doom and gloom predictions that never come.

Brujah - some of the recordkeeping stuff WON'T go away ... if a guy has 500 free sites and can't provide records .. eithter he'll risk it or close those domains

This is not doom and gloom ... record keeping will knock some people out of the biz

:2 cents:

SykkBoy 05-24-2005 09:31 PM

you know who is loving this and sitting back and laughing? the video porn guys..the dinosaurs who dismissed the Internet as a fad and saw their marketshare start to disappear...they arer sitting back, rubbing their hands and snickering...

seeric 05-24-2005 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$
Depends.

IMHO, it will shake out a lot of part timers, free site owners that just can't keep records for whatever reason, and NON-business people ...

AND that will put more money into the pockets of REAL business people that know how to run their businesses that learn and follow the "law".

:2 cents:

Of course I could be completely wrong.

:winkwink:


i love it. wow. reading the whole thing gives me the whole new perspective on the whole industry. next few years are gonna be interesting. i see lots of drama.

Brujah 05-24-2005 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$
Brujah - some of the recordkeeping stuff WON'T go away ... if a guy has 500 free sites and can't provide records .. eithter he'll risk it or close those domains

This is not doom and gloom ... record keeping will knock some people out of the biz

:2 cents:

If you buy content from providers who provide adequate documentation, you should be fine. For all others it'll be a lot of work or at least time consuming to comply but it's not really shakeup-worthy I don't think. Depends who you bought content from in the past. Some could look at this as an opportunity to refresh their business with a new investment in content from those providers who do provide adequate docs. If they were doing it right in the first place with existing regs, it shouldn't be all that difficult to bring things back in order for the new regs.

I'll remain optimistic about it at least as far as it concerns webmasters with free sites, avs, or other. Granted, program owners, and TGP owners may have a lot more to worry about due to their business model and volume of content.

Which brings some issues to mind. Is there a thread with some intelligent discussion on the issue from the TGP owner/webmaster perspective that exists anywhere ? They might have the most difficulty complying ? I'm sure most program owners will get their house in order and adapt as always.

J$tyle$ 05-24-2005 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah
If you buy content from providers who provide adequate documentation, you should be fine. For all others it'll be a lot of work or at least time consuming to comply but it's not really shakeup-worthy I don't think. Depends who you bought content from in the past. Some could look at this as an opportunity to refresh their business with a new investment in content from those providers who do provide adequate docs. If they were doing it right in the first place with existing regs, it shouldn't be all that difficult to bring things back in order for the new regs.

I'll remain optimistic about it at least as far as it concerns webmasters with free sites, avs, or other. Granted, program owners, and TGP owners may have a lot more to worry about due to their business model and volume of content.

Which brings some issues to mind. Is there a thread with some intelligent discussion on the issue from the TGP owner/webmaster perspective that exists anywhere ? They might have the most difficulty complying ? I'm sure most program owners will get their house in order and adapt as always.

Imagine the time and effoert it will take a guy with even 50 free sites to record and cross reverence every banner on his 50 sites?

EVERY BANNER FROM EVERY SPONSOR!

100 sites?

more?

Dude, I can see a lot of people throwing in the towel and turning off their domains and that's just one example.

Guys that have thousands of pages indexed in the search engines?

OY VEY!

:2 cents:

J$tyle$ 05-24-2005 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2
you know who is loving this and sitting back and laughing? the video porn guys..the dinosaurs who dismissed the Internet as a fad and saw their marketshare start to disappear...they arer sitting back, rubbing their hands and snickering...

and providing ME with ALL documentation

:winkwink:

J$tyle$ 05-25-2005 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K
i love it. wow. reading the whole thing gives me the whole new perspective on the whole industry. next few years are gonna be interesting. i see lots of drama.

It's going to be interesting. That's for sure!

stev0 05-25-2005 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$
Depends.

IMHO, it will shake out a lot of part timers, free site owners that just can't keep records for whatever reason, and NON-business people ...

AND that will put more money into the pockets of REAL business people that know how to run their businesses that learn and follow the "law".

:2 cents:

Of course I could be completely wrong.

:winkwink:

I doubt if these changes will cause many problems... I highly doubt they'd start going after legitimate webmasters (using 18+ models) just for the hell of it using a CP law as an excuse. If they did then there's a serious problem with the judicial system that is alot bigger than this little industry.

I'm guessing the changes are just so it's easier for them to convict people peddling CP. At least I hope so...

stev0 05-25-2005 04:19 AM

The thing you have to realize is that technically porn (especially hardcore porn) is illegal in several states already due to obscenity laws. They don't enforce these laws unless there is an issue to be dealt with... no issue = no problem.

If you're not selling CP, i highly doubt you have anything to worry about.

ADL Colin 05-25-2005 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$
Time to run your business as a business.

Thank God. I mean Bush.

ADL Colin 05-25-2005 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$
record keeping will knock some people out of the biz

Yup. Who wants to play Enron?

$5 submissions 05-25-2005 04:25 AM

Perhaps if the credit card companies severely limited auto rebills for adult transactions... perhaps then the phrase "the sky is falling" would gain some sort of traction. Quite unlikely for now. Regardless, even in such a scenario, it would be temporary since people would just move to other models and per sale partnerships. Plus there might be micropayment schemes that would fix certain core issues. Just my 2 cents :)

jimmyf 05-25-2005 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah
J, people say this anytime there are new (CCPA, Visa, etc ) regulations and yet there's no real shakeup. Then there's the usual talk about how program owners will all stop taking affiliates. Woo! The new model, no affiliates or only affiliates currently sending 10+ sales per day, blah blah.. Payouts getting smaller and smaller, there's always the doom and gloom predictions that never come.

:thumbsup seen it I don't know how many times

american pervert 05-25-2005 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Almighty Colin
Yup. Who wants to play Enron?


I wanna play doctor


icq me, 193875153

Hinc 05-25-2005 05:59 AM

Hate these new rules....we happily document consenting adults etc....but linking it to every url/pic...thats insane.

mrthumbs 05-25-2005 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stev0
I doubt if these changes will cause many problems... I highly doubt they'd start going after legitimate webmasters (using 18+ models) just for the hell of it using a CP law as an excuse. If they did then there's a serious problem with the judicial system that is alot bigger than this little industry.

I'm guessing the changes are just so it's easier for them to convict people peddling CP. At least I hope so...

Finally someone that understands.

WiredGuy 05-25-2005 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$
Well, not really.

You sound like an adult entertainment attorney.
WG

thonglife 05-25-2005 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ytcracker
i think i am like one of 5 people who doesnt give a flying fuck about this stuff

You can include me too - completely unenforceable. There's still online pharmacies, spam, file-sharing, celeb forums, etc.. Just another online jay-walking law. Also, I also don't give a shit about the scaremongers - "Oh no!!! OH God!! You're gonna be sorry.. You're gonna go to jail" I've heard it all before, have been to jail many times and none of it has ever been for anything related to computers or the internet.

http://www.drugbuyers.com

J$tyle$ 05-25-2005 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy
You sound like an adult entertainment attorney.
WG

Ha!

:1orglaugh


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