who will be the first to go down?
 

who's gonna be the first one of you program owners that will step up to the plate & say FUCK YOU to this government "crackdown". you guys think you're saving your own ass by saying, "it's the law.... we have to comply... blah blah blah... i feel bad" BULLSHIT. there are some spineless bitches in this business... everybody is quick to say, "yeah... give yer money to the FSC"... but some of you fuckers are SITTIN ON 100k cash or more & are scared to fuckin fight.

this is why we will lose, this is why the christians will crush porn in america & we'll all be out of business. i posted this before and NONE of you have the fuckin balls to say, "yeah, i'm a fuckin coward & i'll do anything to keep the clinch on my purse & the keys to my mercedes even if it means losing some rights".... american lives in fear for nothing & so do you. yeah, this is a fuckin challenge to ALL YOU BIG COMPLYING PROGRAM OWNERS. tell us why, & do it now... post in this thread & tell us why you don't wanna fight.... or maybe you're too scared to post in this thread thinkin "the feds are watching"... fuckin ingrates :321GFY



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If I had the money, I would fight it to the bitter end. I already took on the city of Cincinnati on some adult zoning bull shit... and I won. That was a VERY expensive case. I do OK but I don't have the kind of bread needed to take on the United States government.

It's cheaper to relocate. lol

its just sad cuz there are some cats who post on this very board who are rich beyond belief & their leading the way to slaughterhouse... its fucking pitiful. i understand cats have programs & shit but we won't have anything if the cats who have the money to fight don't stand up & fight... like it or not, its about whose got the dough & the balls. ask larry flynt & many others who will tell u the same thing :2 cents:




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Most times, the reason that businesses have a lot of money is because they have a track record of making wise decisions, not making poor ones.

lemme tell ya somethin... FUCK AFFILIATES... this game will survive without them... sure, you got yer power people that you KNOW in the game... but cats just violating a bitches privacy for a bunch of nobodies??? fuck all that... i need my BITCHES more than i need a bunch of cats sending me traffic... i'll hire a bunch of lil filipino mafuckas to submit my galleries & mail, etc... whatever the fuck but no way i'm giving my girls up. that's like bein a fuckin snitch & that's unforgiveable IMO... but u guys do yer thing.... :disgust


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We you aint got nothin' to lose, brutha.
Everything's worth fightin' for.

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dude, what are you talking about? that has nothing to do with fighting for your fucking rights TO MAKE THAT MONEY you so lovingly covet. larry flynt made some bad decisions, hunh? luther campbell? bob guiccioni (sp)? without whom you would have NO FUCKING MONEY IN THIS BIZ. either you are a pussy or you are not. plain & simple. :2 cents:



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I don't like paying taxes, I don't support domestic drug laws, but I rather pay the taxes that fund them than "tell the goverment to fuck off."

I don't own a program however. You seem really wise, you should start a program.

so u don't run WEGCash? strange... guess i've been offline 2 long. no1 is telling the government to "fuck off". there are things in this legislation that are flat out WRONG. just sayin, "ok... we'll do it..." is just as wrong, & nobody sees that?? fuck it.... cats are hittin me on icq sayin, "don't call people out like that.... blah blah" so fuck it... y'all can have it. i have id's & releases on EVERY model i've shot. i'm a legit biz owner, i'm not a child pornographer & i won't let them act as if i am. done.


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FUCK AFFILIATES are u sure about this? I think there are quite a few around ...

u think i'm going to sit here & lose the GIRLS who actually help me generate revenue for some affiliates? lol.... you must not produce content or run paysites... or maybe u just don't realize which is more important in the long run. even if i was compelled by the law after many legal challenges to allow those who advertise my stuff to have the info, i'd only have established companies as affiliates so all the little guys i'm assuming you are talking about really mean nothing. i'm an affiliate of many programs but i certainly don't expect them to give me any of the sensitive info. if they can't, then i have to find another way to promote their sites... plain & simple.



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Did you post twice about this topic?

Or am I triping?

I have nothing but respect for you. I have complimented your site several times. All I asked was why say fuck affiliates. Your point is valid but why go after affiliates makes no sense to me. What you are saying about models I 100% agree with man. I never said anything like that.

In other words all i was saying was dont get mad at affiliates what did we ever do ?

i'm not mad at affiliates... i'm sorry if that's the impression i'm giving. but i'm talking about programs just bowing to giving out sensitive info to ANYBODY because of a law that is quite obviously UNJUST.

my point is, i'm not going to do that JUST TO KEEP AFFILIATES SENDING ME TRAFFIC. it isn't that crucial... maybe it is for some & maybe they don't know the women personally whom they are doing this to... maybe they don't care. I DO. so maybe that's what makes me realize how important it is NOT to "comply" with violating people's privacy. we will then lose our models trust & even though it maybe be in a release, they still will hesitate even more after this becomes a reality.

maybe i should speak softer... but i feel strongly about this people & i'm not afraid to say it.


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nope, you r right... i posted b4 about it & just like in this thread, its being read but very few replies.... but i expected this.... "big brother is watching.... ooooooooh... BOO!" :1orglaugh



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You have a good point and to me it seems the only thing to do is support the fsc. The fact that now people can get this private info is horrible I agree. It does seem like there are not enough people trying to change this. Either way I like that you are standing up for what is right!

Oops.. There goes some traffic trades... Nice doing business with you.. Good luck..

eh fuck the bullshit

LOL no he did not mean it like that, That is why I questioned him. He was looking at it as if all affilates got private info for his models ...

That is what he was saying there :)

ummmm... what do traffic trades have to do with an affiliate program? please think before you post.




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Go fuck yourself

You make an excellent point...We need cash and bigger nuts!

I'm an affiliate... and if you're telling me to fuck off.. then I won't be doing any business with you.. simple as that.. I have no desire to do business with people that in one breath tell me to fuck off.. and then the other want to trade some traffic or do some other sort of business. I don't need those types of people... As an affiliate.. I'm getting fucked over left right and center.. And there's going to be some "payback" so to speak... Loyality is a big deal to me..

And you are who ?

thonglife come on try and attack me if that is what you are going for

Does it fucking matter?

OOOOOOOOOOOOHhhhhh.... Oh.. No... I'm scared.. Another Kung-fu keyboard man. LMFAO!!!! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

ok dude come on then u started and attacked me so what's up

WTF are you talking about? The bird was to the "Fuck Affiliates".

LOL ok my fault man extra sensitive I thought you were doing that to me.

Sorry about that now I do deserve that pic addressed to me.

ROFL :1orglaugh .... Damn... It's all good.

first, you are COMPLETELY missing the point. i'm weighing peoples privacy against "loyalty" to affiliates. sorry, there really is no choice here. i was making money with my girls when u got here, i'll be doing so when you decide to leave. SO, if it comes down to it, i'm choosing my girls over affiliates. anyone with any sense of longevity WILL choose the same, like it or not. thas just the breaks, kid.

2nd, i have no idea who you are. why should i care? you think killing some trades with me is the end for my biz? think again. :321GFY (ummm... when did this become a post about trading traffic?? :eek7)


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i dont agree with the comment "fuck affiliates". alot of good people make there living off the paysites we run and that would put so many out of business let alot be a big revenue stream lost for all of us. its out job to workout what we can to keep the engine going, whatever legal restraints may be in our way. your right, alot of high profit businesses will stay out of the fight for one simple reason. ACCOUNTABILITY. one who is accountable and fighting is one step slower to scrutiny of the said law they are enforcing. i would support movements or associations who do the dirty work for you, legit ones, pay them if you can and fight if you can.

just some friday night ramblings.

but i do agree with you, after reading most of the post i do see your point. we must protect the privacy of the models. i refuse to be a man who makes it easier for a stalker or a criminal with intentions of indentity thieft to use people who trusted me for purposes like that. the law needs to stop playing games and set a proper standard for us that isnt contradicted by freedom, rights and other laws in place.

exactly... my issue is with webmaster programs who are taking that so lightly. many of them don't have to worry about it because they are only allowing softcore pic use for promotion & i applaud that. they'd rather give up advertising hardcore than to give up their models' info

but for those who feel they have no choice BUT to advertise hardcore... then stand up & fight for your rights. its wrong, & if u COMPLY then that's saying its "ok".


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I checked.. I still have the original email you sent us way back in 2001 when you signed up onprobation for a traffic trade.. So please.. don't act like I'm the kid...

You're going to pay your models shit for what they do so don't try and come off all noble like you truly care... You could have a policy that gives out IDs to "trusted' affilliates.. Instead you're going to say "fuck them"... In other words.. You're making the models "partners" in your business, not your affiliates... I look for programs and people that are truly interested in being partners with me.

Anyway.. Like I said before.. Good luck to you...

once again, i have no idea who you are & y should i care? feel free to clarify. what does trading traffic have to do with refusing to give out a models private info? it doesn't mean you can't make money from a program, you just have to find another way to do it so what's YOUR point?

once again, you are missing MY point. maybe you don't mind your rights being slowly taken away? maybe you think that bowing to this shit will ensure that these affiliate programs stay alive for you to make money? an affiliate is not my partner... an affiliate signs up to your program in hopes of generating revenue from what you are ALREADY selling. they are not partners as they are NOT committed to you.

it doesn't matter if a models gets paid 300 or 3k, that doesn't mean i feel comfortable trampling on her rights. where did you get your logic from?? :eek7

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wait wait.... i had to read that again.... you said you have an email from 2001 asking for a trade & you never answered... and you act like i should give 2 fucks about what you have 2 say??? lol... talk about lack of professionality.... you basically told me to FUCK OFF 4 years ago :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh



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Nope.....

I've got the nuts if you have the cash.

ok fuck it dude.... u don't get the point & you're bent on staying anonymous so this makes me think you (or other "affiliates" like you) can be trusted??? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh - you are killing your point. sorry, i still say fuck affiliates unless they are established businesses... i'm not violating anyone's privacy to support shit like that & no one else should either. done.



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oh & for those who have ethnic sites (tgps, paysites, etc) who want to trade quality traffic with an honest, open, non-anonymous webmaster, see sig :winkwink:



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