Why hasnt the Positive Side to 2257 been discussed?
 

If you take a minute to think, and stop believing that this is all some huge conspiracy by the government with religious groups to fuck all adult webmasters in the ass, then you can see that some good might come out of these new regulations.

I know i will get flamed over this, and 2257 does make life a bit harder for me and others. But if the law is going to be enforced why not try to see what benefit it can bring or the positive side of it.

A lot of you think that the DOJ will be harassing you and trying to shut you down if you have run any type of porn site because the government doesn?t like porn. But the truth is that they will be monitoring and going for the sites with "Barely Legal" and "Teen" and sites with questionable content.

The 2257 makes it easier for the DOJ to check for the actual ages of the models on these type sites, to make sure that the content is legal.
Bottom line is if you deal with legal content and have proof that it is, you really shouldn?t have anything to worry about.


That is just my two cents although a lot more can be added.

most the people besides the programs that are raising hell over it are the part timers that live with their parents and cant give a addy out or they dont know any other ways of pushing traffic besides submitting hardcore galleries.

I think the 2257 is kinda good to the industry, I hope we will see better conversion ratios from programs, Less saturation when the free content slinders out of the way.

just my :2 cents:

That too is a positive outlook, but i dont think these regs are being enforced so taht we have better ratios :upsidedow

i agree...

LOL, Well i know that man, I'm just saying i think its a blessing in disguise :)

thats bullshit
they know that 99% of the content distributed on the net is compliant
that's not what they want to know

they want to fuck with us... they want us to make is little record keeping errors that will get you to jail

such a law does NOT have a possitive side

This should win post of the month here on GFY. Luckily there is no post of the month award because then all these people would get a clue.

The 2257 scared me at first but once i got more of a legal look at it from a lawyers point of view, I really have no problem with it, I can hold records just how they want me too, 20 hours a day 7 days a week..

I can see programs getting itchy about the shit because of them wanting to avoid law suits if a model tries to sue because of her privacy blah blah blah.

So if a sponsor has 1000 affiliates using the same free content then you are saying it's easier for the DOJ to inspect 1000 webmasters individually than just go to the sponsor and inspect them?

Where did you find these statitics? I serioulsy doubt that.

Honestly, :boid

Seriously, You run a mainstream company and see how much more different and how you have to keep book keeping on alot of shit to keep from getting some kind of criminal charge.

I may have only been in this business a year but when i first came in to it i said to myself how unprofessional alot of shit was ran, This new 2257 will make alot of programs run more professional or move over seas..

The 2257 isnt really asking anything to big besides us to keep fucking paper work..

Do you file taxes every year? I dont like to but i do.. Other wise i might sit in a federal pen for a few years for not complying with the IRS..

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The ignorance with most people, is that they think that the DOJ understands how the adult webmaster pyramid works.

What makes you think that they understand taht there are Sponsor Programs and then the affiliates.

We understand that its the same content for 1000 webmasters, but the DOJ treats each case as it's own independant publisher, and its obvious to see why.

I tend to think that IF the revisions stand, in time it will be a positive thing for the bottom line, too.

But I still think the getting compliant is a huge huge huge hassle, and it's a danger to models, and webmasters, as well, and it's a slap in the face of what America is supposed to represent.

Yeah, When its the sponsor handling the paper work it can be merely a He said She said type deal, If a affiliate gets caught with some under age shit hes using to promote a sponsor and the feds go to the sponsor and arrest them, Well wtf then?

It's not that big of a fucking deal to keep paper work, They dont even state that it has to be PAPER, It can be Digital Format if it doesnt get any easier than sorting some digital files than i dont know wtf to tell you.

Of course it is, but since it is going to be passed we might as well see the positive side to it and why they are doing this. Come June 23 is it, and following that im positive taht there will be 2257 arrests that will lead to CP convitions. And isnt that a good thing?

Oh I know the DOJ and the government in general is stupid.

My point is if the webmasters could instead of having to have the docs and have their name and address on their 22257 pages just put WHERE or WHOM they got the content from and then the DOJ could go ask them.

I've heard alot of people say model privacy though, Really a pervert can get the models name and address if he simply went and bought a set of content from a content provider that offers the ID's, It's much more different in my opinion :\

Exactly.

If Affiliate A gets caught with underage content, he can blame it all on the sposnor and say he found it in the set he was given to promote their site. Which is why you need the paperwork in your own hand, so before you publish the content on your site, you know its now CP>

the only positive effect i see is that galleries of some programs wont be hardcore anymore, so it might be slighyl easier to convert them

No there are going to be 2257 arrests because someone didn't have doc on some obviously 28 year old. Or he made some clerical error.

See post #20 and #16 and maybe you will realize why your suggestion will not work. It turns into a he-said she-said situation and you cant convict based on that.

There will be some clerical error arrests, but for the most part it will be those who chose not to have 2257, and the only obvious reason is because they chose to not listen to the law, which will get you arrested, or they are dealing with CP, which is worse.

If someone cant hire a lawyer to go over their paper work to make sure its fine then they dont belong in this business.. They arent asking much more than us keeping it on file and having it sortable that any book keeping software can do, Youre a hatemonger that just sees this as a bad thing, Most likely you live with your parents and your pissed that you might have to give this up so mommy and daddy dont find out you peddle smut.

Lots of holes in the 2257. It was meant to make it VERY HARD for teen/lolita type sites to cheat.

Legit sites won't be fucked with.. well, because they are legit. All other must die a horrible horrible death.

~Ray

As for model privacy:

No sponsor will give out 2257 info and model docs to newly reggisterd affiliates. YOu have to prove yourself first.

That may be true, but now it's easier...it's like giving the waiter at the restaurant your cc, id, & ssn....just the cc you give them is technically enough for them to steal your identity if they really wanted to, but making it THAT easy for them is just plain stupid.

And I think the models getting hit the hardest are amateyr girls, because they are content AND webmasters, so the visitors to their sites can just look up their home addys on their 2257 statement unless they get office space and sit there 20 hours a week, and let's face it, a lot of amateur girls run out of their homes so they cam work from home. If that isn't dropping it into a prospective whackjob's lap, I don't know what is.

Yeah thats one thing i like about this, To become a affiliate it should be just like if you walked in to mcdonalds and got hired, You fill out a application, They take two forms of ID and scan them and file them away, You fill out tax papers(In this case you do the taxes yourself for smut I9's).. Much more professional.

ah... don't be a moron
this ain't about compliant content or cp
this is about fucking with the industry

Slow down there. The 2257 statement on the website will tell you where to find the docs. IT wont have then ONLINE. YOu are getting your facts confused.

No surfer can go to the 2257 link on a website and find model info. They can only find out where you keep the model info.

That's true, For small time cam girls maybe, But thats not very high number, They can easily put some effort in to their business model and expand and get a small office to work out of inside of a residental area, And any case its usally against zoning laws to run a business out of your house such as a cam site isnt it?

The only moron in this thread is you. You honestly think there is some secret agenda by the government to fuck with us? Come on?

Want some tin foil?

And of course lawyers never make mistakes? If you're shit is fucked up saying "It's my lawyers fault isn't going to work.

Hello pot, meet kettle. He's black too.

Sounds good, put webmasters ands models lives at risk so the rest of us can make some extra cash by pushing some webmasters out of the business . 2257 rocks !
The old regs were just fine and the sick fucks are still gonna run sick sites under false info .....

If you believe this will help "keep kids safe", then you're wrong. As it was pointed out in an earlier editorial, the pedophiles go where the children are, and there are no children in the adult industry. 2257 is just another way of the DOJ increasing its own authority and broadening its scope (congress never approved this), and giving adult webmasters a hard time. In case you haven't noticed, these regulations are designed to fuck over webmasters who don't have records in order - a simple clerical error. This is targeted at legit players operating in the wide open.

The CP that this is supposed to target is not legitimate, much of it operates underground, and none of it has compliant documents, obviously. Please tell me what these new regulations will help solve. The only way I can see them being useful is if the DOJ uncovers some 17 yr old doing porn with fake IDs, even at that, its not the sponsor's fault, nor would cases like this even be widespread.

Go ahead and believe their bullshit. First its 2257, next its xxx, and so on, and so on. As long as the administration is hostile to adult webmasters, things like this will continue to happen, whether they solve any problems or not.

And what I find particularly upsetting is that these regulations, which you say would add legitimacy, are only going to lead to the proliferation of private information of the models. Its the models who have the most to lose out of all of this - webmasters can list a business address, or change to compliant content, and go on their merry way. Besides, nobody is looking to stalk webmasters. Its the models who have the most to lose here, namely their privacy, because that information WILL make it into the hands of stalkers.

Every one has to start somewhere. I can't afford a lawyer right now-I had money in a savings account to start a new biz the right way and my ex wiped me out...now I'm struggling to support a family on my own and if I get a lawyer, my kids don't eat. :2 cents:

Why are you assuming that mistakes are going to made? Fuck this isnt that hard, talk to a lawyer and he will tell you waht you need to get compliant.

Bush is anti-pornography, we all know this.

Yes, they want to fuck with us, and this is one of their ways. What, are you going to try to convince us that Bush sees no problem with pornography? :1orglaugh

Right, and if you are an amateur girl, you probably keep your records at home, sweetie.

How am i a pot ?

If you mess up on simple book keeping sorting than you are a fucking retard, Seriously They arent asking for much, Sorted by Model name, Date of Production, Movie, Real Name, SS..

A simple database can sort any tables of data anyway you want it, Newbreeds software is a good example, You input the data and it can be sorted any fucking way you want it, Hell its not like they want the cock size of the guy or the gap of the vagina or how loose it was, etc..

I'm not getting your point.

Are you talking about girls who are in content theirselves and promote themselves on their own websites?

I think you are grossly misunderstanding most amateur girls...I am not talking about girls like Vanilla and Allie, that are successful enough to do that...I'm talking small time girls who just make enough to be able to stay home with their kids.

Yes, I'm talking about amateur girls who run a small site on the side or whatever. i know this because I've been there. I'm in a niche, so my appeal isn't broad enough to sustain the kind of success that girl like Sunny, Vanilla, Allie, Ellie, and so on can reach.

I understand what you mean jesus, Thats one thing i do see thats a problem but not that big of a deal in my opinion, Thats what we have local law enforcement for, I mean hell girls work in strip clubs every night and leave alone? Whats the fucking difference? Not much really.. Same risks.

Right, because its not like thats personal information or anything.

Besides, these regulations permit a simple clerical error to send someone to jail. That is not right. Jail is for criminals, not people who may have a few errors among thousands of entries.

Even without 2257 all the surfer has to do is check the whois and usually the address is listed.

But true that is one HUGE downside. The only issue i see so far that puts a small percentage of models at some risk.

If the regs were stated that was the rule from the effective date forward, I would agree...but going back over the last ten years of work is a daunting task.

I call B.S

If you have one clerical error they arent sending your ass to jail. THey will allow you to correct it. THey dont haul people to jail.