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nastyman 06-21-2005 12:53 AM

Nastydollars 2257 Announcement
 
Nastydollars 2257 Announcement:

We have been consulting with our lawyers and feel that we have addressed all legal concerns for ourselves and our webmasters. Below is a breakdown of issues that are pertinent to the new 2257 regs.


Bad News:

1. We have audited all of our content for records and ids. Please make sure that all content you are using on your domains is consistent with the content available in the nastydollars content area on 6/23/05.

2. Explicit Banners - If you are using explicit banners and have not identified the updates and models used to create the banners we recommend that you replace them with softcore banners or remove them.

3. NDHosting will be taken down on June 22, 2005

4. 2257 Records - 2257 records must be kept at primary and secondary producer's place of business. NastyDollars will provide these records to U.S. webmasters in 256 bit aes encrypted format. With these records on your computer, our counsel feels, that you will be compliant with this regulatory specification. We will provide a 24/7 phone number so that upon an investigation you may contact us and immediately receive the necessary decryption keys. More information is available at ND2257.com



Good News:

1. Hardcore content is still available for promotion

2. We have introduced a new, hosted, softcore banner management system. Webmasters will not need to worry about changing out banners anymore for their sites or 2257 regs with this system. Check out NDbanners.com

3. All NDhosting links will re-direct to allsitesaccess and credit your webmaster account.

4. We will be increasing the number of free hosted galleries that we produce weekly.


Really Really Good News:

NDFreehost.com - The next generation in free hosting.
How about not worrying about 2257 regs? How about free bandwidth for pic and movie galleries? How about no more uploading one file at a time to a free host? Then this is for you...

Simply make a gallery, zip it up and upload it to our server. Our administrators will verify that the content is ours and the gallery will go live onto our server farm. You will get an email of the location and you are good to go! Check out ndfreehost.com for more info (uploads go live the 22nd).


Any questions email [email protected] :thumbsup

SomeCreep 06-21-2005 12:54 AM

:glugglug

CaptainHowdy 06-21-2005 12:55 AM

:thumbsup!,

WebGod 06-21-2005 12:58 AM

:thumbsup

Trax 06-21-2005 12:59 AM

nice :) ...

SomeCreep 06-21-2005 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nastyman
4. 2257 Records - 2257 records must be kept at primary and secondary producer's place of business. NastyDollars will provide these records to U.S. webmasters in 256 bit aes encrypted format. With these records on your computer, our counsel feels, that you will be compliant with this regulatory specification. We will provide a 24/7 phone number so that upon an investigation you may contact us and immediately receive the necessary decryption keys. More information is available at ND2257.com

Interesting solution there. I like it. All sponsors should be doing that to ensure their models privacy.

xxxice 06-21-2005 12:59 AM

Sounds good :thumbsup

Trax 06-21-2005 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep
Interesting solution there. I like it. All sponsors should be doing that to ensure their models privacy.

remember: their "counsel feels"
it's their interpretation
possibly not the ultimate solution :)
just some food for thought ;)

TDF 06-21-2005 01:07 AM

thanks ND

The Ghost 06-21-2005 01:08 AM

Good to hear Nasty's plan for 2257. All the best.

Dirty Dane 06-21-2005 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep
Interesting solution there. I like it. All sponsors should be doing that to ensure their models privacy.

Yes, it may reduce it. However assholes can just call and say they need the key. And it need to valid for 7 years, even if someone stop promoting.

xclusive 06-21-2005 01:13 AM

thanks for the info it seems like a decent solution

SomeCreep 06-21-2005 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane
Yes, it may reduce it. However assholes can just call and say they need the key. And it need to valid for 7 years.

I imagine Nastydollars would verify there was an actual investigation which warranted the key, before just giving it out based on the webmaster's word.

V_RocKs 06-21-2005 01:13 AM

Wow... ND raises the bar again.

Would we expect anything less? I think NOT!

Mr.Fiction 06-21-2005 01:13 AM

Nasty Dollars continues to innovate. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/images.../xyxthumbs.gif

SmokeyTheBear 06-21-2005 01:14 AM

Heh thats a clever idea.. giving the webmasters the models i.d. encrypted so only law enforcement can read it ..

SmokeyTheBear 06-21-2005 01:16 AM

Will your fhg's be affected at all ? or the hotlinkeable fhg thumbs ?

SomeCreep 06-21-2005 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
Heh thats a clever idea.. giving the webmasters the models i.d. encrypted so only law enforcement can read it ..

Indeed.

In fact, once all the other sponsors verify this a valid method of complying with 2257, I believe they will all copy Nastydollars.

Mr.Fiction 06-21-2005 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep
I believe they will all copy Nastydollars.

Other sponsors copying Nasty Dollars?

What's new? :1orglaugh

Turf 06-21-2005 01:55 AM

nice but damn the free hosted part both sucks and blows.. oh well

bigdog 06-21-2005 02:03 AM

clever idea with the encryption, everyone will copy it now

DWB 06-21-2005 02:19 AM

A pass protected zip file is what I have been doing. Though encryption is much better. Wish I would of thought of that. Good stuff ND!!!

SmokeyTheBear 06-21-2005 02:28 AM

I notice on the pdf application form for 2257 docs it says "only for u.s. webmasters" does this mean only americans HAVE to use it or only americans will get access to the 2257 docs ?

The Sultan Of Smut 06-21-2005 02:53 AM

Thumbs up for your encryption idea!

WiredGuy 06-21-2005 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nastyman
4. 2257 Records - 2257 records must be kept at primary and secondary producer's place of business. NastyDollars will provide these records to U.S. webmasters in 256 bit aes encrypted format. With these records on your computer, our counsel feels, that you will be compliant with this regulatory specification. We will provide a 24/7 phone number so that upon an investigation you may contact us and immediately receive the necessary decryption keys. More information is available at ND2257.com

That's a great solution, props to whomever thought of this idea.
WG

Tanker 06-21-2005 03:04 AM

Great Idea encrypting the ID's I proposed that also its a great idea! I wouldnt be surprised if there were a dozen webmaster program already done with this same type of encryption

pradaboy 06-21-2005 03:08 AM

best solution I have seen so far I think... props to ND!

VeriSexy 06-21-2005 03:31 AM

Just in time :thumbsup

PaulC 06-21-2005 03:49 AM

I'm sorry,but what about not US webmaster with sites hosted on US hosting?
As far as i understand nastydollars doesn't consider us,and i'm asking myself why? :(

Rui 06-21-2005 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdog
clever idea with the encryption, everyone will copy it now

indeed...excellent idea :thumbsup

wjxxx 06-21-2005 04:55 AM

good move

SinisterStudios 06-21-2005 06:49 AM

Awesome idea guys, exactly what id expect from nasty dollars. Let the copycats begin

Kimmykim 06-21-2005 07:57 AM

Excellent job guys, I think you've covered all the angles here. But then again, that's to be expected from you guys :)

BukkakeBrown 06-21-2005 08:00 AM

i was kinda worried at first, but after reading that all the way though, great job!

GweedZilla 06-21-2005 08:01 AM

That is a very cool solution for the id's, great work!

Satisfaction 06-21-2005 08:08 AM

very good to see

Shap 06-21-2005 08:09 AM

Quote:

NDFreehost.com - The next generation in free hosting.
How about not worrying about 2257 regs? How about free bandwidth for pic and movie galleries? How about no more uploading one file at a time to a free host? Then this is for you...

Simply make a gallery, zip it up and upload it to our server. Our administrators will verify that the content is ours and the gallery will go live onto our server farm. You will get an email of the location and you are good to go! Check out ndfreehost.com for more info (uploads go live the 22nd).
NICE this is something we've been working on. Without a doubt the only way to go with freehosting.

NastyDollars Rocks :thumbsup

Daymare 06-21-2005 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulC
I'm sorry,but what about not US webmaster with sites hosted on US hosting?
As far as i understand nastydollars doesn't consider us,and i'm asking myself why? :(

hosts are not responsible. so don't worry.

BrainCash JF 06-21-2005 08:25 AM

good news :)

Lensman 06-21-2005 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nastyman
We will provide a 24/7 phone number so that upon an investigation you may contact us and immediately receive the necessary decryption keys.

And if no one answers, or the keys don't work, or the files are corrupt, can you say prison? I wouldn't want the feds to knock on my door and all I have are a bunch of files I cannot read.

Dirty Dane 06-21-2005 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep
Indeed.

In fact, once all the other sponsors verify this a valid method of complying with 2257, I believe they will all copy Nastydollars.

Except from trying to kill the industry, the new regulations about 'secondary producers' are designed for a preventive effect too; the affiliates now have to verify that the models they promote, really ARE legal. I don't know, but if you look at the past, beeing affiliate and use promo content, involved trusting the paysite owner that the content was legal. Its quite obvious that this way of trust is not good enough for the lawmakers anymore. So would encrypting the data be a valid method then? Time will show.

I'm not saying it is wrong that way, but that could also be very problematic in certain situations:
- If you have the feds visiting you - 100 sponsors you have to call - key for EACH model - both male and female models .... that would cost a lot of time and money, and its risky.
- Probably ND will stay in biz, but what about smaller programs? Will they provide all keys if they stop or be instant available 4 years later? ; if you post a gallery in 2006, the program stops in 2008... according to the law, the feds can visit you, lets say in 2009 and request ID verification for something you posted 3 years ago.

Privacy vs trust is a dilemma. :upsidedow

Trax 06-21-2005 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lensman
And if no one answers, or the keys don't work, or the files are corrupt, can you say prison? I wouldn't want the feds to knock on my door and all I have are a bunch of files I cannot read.

yep.. we are thinking the same way here
same goes for the topbucks solution btw
extremepaychecks has done one of the most secure one for its webmasters yet. Not having 100% correct, accessable and 100% fully working docs in your office is way to unsecure to my mind

scoreman 06-21-2005 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lensman
And if no one answers, or the keys don't work, or the files are corrupt, can you say prison? I wouldn't want the feds to knock on my door and all I have are a bunch of files I cannot read.

I disagree.

Read page 29621 of the Federal Registry, paragraph 4.

"At the conclusion of an inspection, the investigator may informally advise the producer of any apparent violations disclosed by the inspection. The producer may bring to the attention of the investigator any pertinent information regarding the records inspected or any other relevant matter".

The application of the law is not going to be that the feds walk in the door find the first violation and handcuff you. No, what will happen is a painstaking toss of your records and this will take time. In our case, we have over 20,000 ids and I seriously doubt an investigator can properly review our records in one day or maybe even one week. The process gives you plenty of time to contact the program for the hash key to decrypt.

The Feds have provisions in the law that allow for producers to have ample opportunity to show their compliance. Having a corrupted zip file that can be cured with a non corrupted one will never result in prison sentences. Calling for the hash key as well will be perfectly fine with the investigators, it only takes minutes and they will already be busy looking over your other files.

FilthyRob 06-21-2005 10:20 AM

good one. Maybe too late for me, I took down most of my galleries.

scoreman 06-21-2005 10:26 AM

One more thing. We also came to the conclusion that encypted or password protected ids are ok. Please show me where in the regulations this is forbidden. In our eyes this is no different than if we delivered paper copies of 20,000 ids to an affiliate and he then locked the docs in a safe. The feds arrive and an employee calls "Hey boss i need the combination to the safe to get our docs out".

Protecting the ids with encryption or a safe is something I would do as an affiliate regardless of how the ids were delivered to me. Having them wide open and available with no protection at all smacks of negligence and a lack of reasonable care and affiliates need to be also concerned about model litigation over the handling of their confidential information.

bigdog 06-21-2005 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lensman
And if no one answers, or the keys don't work, or the files are corrupt, can you say prison? I wouldn't want the feds to knock on my door and all I have are a bunch of files I cannot read.


good points you bring up, i am too sexy for jail

Pipecrew 06-21-2005 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scoreman
One more thing. We also came to the conclusion that encypted or password protected ids are ok. Please show me where in the regulations this is forbidden. In our eyes this is no different than if we delivered paper copies of 20,000 ids to an affiliate and he then locked the docs in a safe. The feds arrive and an employee calls "Hey boss i need the combination to the safe to get our docs out".

Protecting the ids with encryption or a safe is something I would do as an affiliate regardless of how the ids were delivered to me. Having them wide open and available with no protection at all smacks of negligence and a lack of reasonable care and affiliates need to be also concerned about model litigation over the handling of their confidential information.

Exactly.

rockbear 06-21-2005 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
I notice on the pdf application form for 2257 docs it says "only for u.s. webmasters" does this mean only americans HAVE to use it or only americans will get access to the 2257 docs ?

Bump for you

hy777 06-21-2005 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lensman
And if no one answers, or the keys don't work, or the files are corrupt, can you say prison? I wouldn't want the feds to knock on my door and all I have are a bunch of files I cannot read.

or... files that you can't really use.

The data must be cross referenced and indexed. Perhaps, we can do this while the feds wait in another room sipping some coffee?

This idea is a workaround to the regulations. Albeit a 'legal' one. Regulators missed to specify how data must be kept or they would have mentioned 'not encrypted'. I do respect ND as much as anyone else here but any personal decision regarding 2257 must be carefully thought out under legal guidance.

WiredGuy 06-21-2005 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scoreman
One more thing. We also came to the conclusion that encypted or password protected ids are ok. Please show me where in the regulations this is forbidden. In our eyes this is no different than if we delivered paper copies of 20,000 ids to an affiliate and he then locked the docs in a safe. The feds arrive and an employee calls "Hey boss i need the combination to the safe to get our docs out".

Protecting the ids with encryption or a safe is something I would do as an affiliate regardless of how the ids were delivered to me. Having them wide open and available with no protection at all smacks of negligence and a lack of reasonable care and affiliates need to be also concerned about model litigation over the handling of their confidential information.


Good analogy and seems to make legal sense to me.
WG


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