Who is the biggest SHAVER of all time?
 

I'm trying to determine the program which shaves/shaved the most.

I'm working on my new Top10 "best" list
:)

sergecash??

aw shit, this oughta be good :Graucho

Xpics, unless you had a private deal with them, then they were more than generous :-)

I don't think so...
SergeCash was counting AOL and other proxies,
some didn't

care to name those "some"?
:)

Wilbo,
I ONLY went for "private" deals with Xpics and got paid 7 cents per click which was more than their official 18 cents rate in real dollars and cents
;-))

i dont care to get into ANY pissing match with YOU.. lol..

on the real.. Webpower inc. -aka- Clickcash should have a top 5 spot on that list

also your going to get alot of people saying .. ARS. but i havent seen it myself with them .. who knows

Webpower was one of the programs I calibrated SergesCash counting algorithm...
I learned alot from them
:)

Im sure.

I NEVER heard anything bad about ARS...at least in the last 3 years
:)

there are alot of whiners out there that do not know how to sell, that claim they shave instead of accepting there personal errors..

this is probaly due to the sheer gross of newbies that flock to ARS.. ;)

I'm 1:9758 with topbucks :)

shit my foots bleeding

^R3K^,
what makes ARS so attractive to the newbies?
you think it has something to do with their front:
http://www.adultrevenueservice.com/index.php?a=176066

nah, actually i think it is the fact that the advertise heavily at resource sites where most newbies tend to pick up there first sponsors..

...also the fact they used to have a free host, free content.. things that would pull the newbie without a host or income to buy content in..

maybe its the fact they have a decent Webmaster Referral Program.. that would make anyone send the newbie there fi9rst in hope he can make him a few bucks..

what do you think? the font still? hehe

the greatest shaver is :BangBang: emailbucks.com
they shave like crazy, the rate at which they convert to an email program from Gamma or Riskymail is about 1:50...
their tracking is down 50% of the time, it says server error when you enter the email, however you still get spammed after :feels-hot
Their newsletter is shittiest design ever, no organization at all, just random spam..

Zubr,
did you try
http://www.wegcash.com/?wm=&n=

I know folks swearing by them and they don't use Ibill.....

are you russian, BTW?

Zubr means Moose in Russian
:)

Zubr,
take a look at their button
http://www.oprano.com/banners/wcxmasbtn01.gif
one of the funniest buttons I ever seen
;-))

:thumbsup I am already hitting some big bucks on Join4free...
however there is too much unhappy people who remove themselves -- about 25%

Zubr, did you try
http://2000.mr-cash.com/sales/6627/

they have similar program...

http://www.adultplex.com/
is another one

both run by oldtimers with LOTS of clues
;-)

i'll take a look @ them later...
thanks man, will sure use your ref

^R3K^ is 100% correct. I think you must have a license to sell porn or something. At this time they make you use ARS.

I think I have seen more whining over ARS than any other site except clickcash.

Everyone claims their sales are going down "from the week before with the same traffic".

Taking this to the extreme - no one should be selling any ARS memberships at all.

Very rarely do you hear the majority say "Wow, my ARS sales are up 50% over last week."

Why these people stay is beyond me.

Seems like all the TGP newbies use ARS.

My conversions with ARS are fine - they seem to be close to the same as my main topbucks account.

1:232 so far this month with TopBucks on main account
1:276 so far this month with ARS

1:225 last month with TopBucks on main account
1:262 last month with ARS

Serge, isn't this one obvious?

IEG

Remember those $0.03 checks?

YES!
EIG was not just a "shaving, no AOL credits" KING,
but King of shaven checks as well!

very good,
now we have undisputable #1!!!

so, who is #2?
:)

Mika,
are you the old face from Scandinavia I recall?

Ynot since 98 or so...
We didn't talk a lot, though.

Only thing i remeber we had to play a game of chess but we never did

There si something I wanna say in DEFENSE of ALL sponsors out there...
SOMETIMES it's NOT their fault at all, and the blame is on 3rd party processor.

From another board:

Hey Serge aka shavingguru, I couldn't agree with you more about processors. One of my sponsers just added the option to use jettis instead of iBill. I switched yesterday and my signups tripled. Coincidence? Hmmmmmm.....


Ulfie (Oprano's Golf Pro)
Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:07:02 - IP: 12.226.152.173 - Post # 1498

Mika, no wonder your name sounded familiar!

I think we even had a piss or two while there
:)

Haha that I dont recall :)
But I know you have the sharpest memory..

Its probable, though, I got as angry as TGP webmasters today when someone attacked top lists :)

yeap, that was it,
we had philosophical disagreement about usefulness of TopList traffic quality
;-))

Yeah ok :)
And honestly, how are things today?
Would you prefer to see those toplists or TGP's ?

toplists.

tgp are for the garbage...

Mika,
I REALLY don't know and rather not talk about things I have no clue about,
I've been out for 3 years from traffic game and that's LIFETIME in Internet terms.

but I watch the numbers and know a few proggies which do well with this kind of traffic...

Payrolle Pete,
I wouldn't say so,
I know some peopel making 2-3k a month doing nothing but submitting galleries...

Yeah I know!!! (Lifetime)
I had 2 years when I only worked a little .

But I kinda like new challenges

Mika,
FUCK the challnges,
I do it for the MONEY...
:)

Yes. Literally

I will never use wegcash, psychological reasons...
"ga weg" in Dutch means "Go Away"
"weg" = "Gone"

That sums it up for me, wegcash sounds like gonecash, as in, my cash is gone when using it.. they might be good, I'll never find out:)

ahahahahahahahaha
;-)))

Naughty, that's a GOOD one!

may I quote you?

serge,
sure it makes money. but what it does to our industry is not repairable.

wegcash still does ok for me..

but back to the topic:
ezgreen was the most check shaving company, not sure about the stats. they paid me $10.95 or so.. 3 months after I made $100+ with them LOL
then they finally decided not to pay anymore.. perhaps they still lost money sending 10% to every of their webmasters :321GFY

and they even have the balls to release new webmaster programs :feels-hot

Payrollpete,
no arguments from me!
TGP slowoly but surelly KILL the industry,
flooding the market with FREE content ruins this marketplace for every one.

Unfortunatelly....for as long as the new traffic distribution venues are not in place, this industry, with help of "huns" and their "brothers" will go down the tube in the smoke....

first there was Link List,
than came TopLists,
now it's TGP time...

i pray for the day some kind of law that comes in and bans free porn in the USA :)

come on bush...you can do it hehe

even though there is tons of other countries who would be happy to host free porn sites, we would still kill alot of people ruining this industry.

i think there needs to be more professionalism in this industry. Like all sites run by registered / incorporated businesses (or LLC's).

And between Toplists and TGPs were CJ's
What do they all have in common?
They've self-destroyed themselves.
I dont know how TGPs will do that, but I think they eventually will. Perhaps when gallery posters and TGP masters dont make a single fucking sale.

also having registered / incorporated businesses running paysites as well would be a good idea too.

this way they can not fuck over their customers, and if they do, they'll get really fucked for it.

too many people just put it in their name, don't offer what they say, and nothing can be done about it.

- - i am sure a law like this will come in effect for the United States, and that will be a great day.

They will probably come in an audit us all...then people will drop out of this bizz like flies :)

pAYROLLPETE,
envoking the laws might not be the answer...
there are Laws of the Land on the books about bestiality, child pornography...
do you see them HEAVILY ENFORCED?

there are several processors who don't give a flying fuck for whom they process,
if it wasn't for them,
NONE of this shit be flourishing on the Internet today.

I personally hold irresponcible processors responcible as much as TGP

ok

serge, you and i can drop a couple hundred thousand retainer for an attorney and we'll make sure these fucks pay :)

Pete, in the business I am in today,
NOBODY owes me a one red cent.
I paid my dues fighting other peopel wars in GBU days,
that exhausted me tremendously and nowadays I chose my battles more selectively and picking up the fight with few hundred thousands against multi billion dollars machine is NOT my
"recreational activity"
:)

plus...I am a firm believer that "the word is mightier than the sword",
thanks to the boards like GFY and Oprano
;-)))

hehe :)

The IRS shaves alot.