my niki nova thoughts
 

to be honest I find it insulting that people come here for donations before letting us know about the incident.

there is a chain of events to follow, first would be inform the people who matter in your life. - then you deal with money.

in this case it was - gimi the money - someone's hurt. WRONG ORDER - and it let everyone here on GFY know just what we mean to these people.

I'm sorry she got hurt.
I'm sorry she was too stupid to have medical insurance.
I'm sorry to know now just what we all mean to these people.

your gonna get flamed :helpme

I'm sorry you think that everyone really has to know your opinion about the accident in a seperate thread.

flame me all you want.

people get hurt every day. fact of life. I'm sorry it happens but responsible people have insurance.

the proper thread should have been something like 'this happened - please send your prayers"

they would have got probally 10X the donations.

I feel like a mark in this case, not someone who should be concerned about someone in the industry

And when we made bank on her photos were we thinking about her or gimme the money? Industries do or don't stick together. Picking on the ex bf because he lacked the correct accident etiquette is not right either.

are you saying i should change a deal if I don't make money on a model and take money back from them?

ruthless

he's just speaking the truth

Sleazy,

Damm you can be an asshole :(

But remember you all in Canada get health insurance.. Of course I guess that's a whole different subject and thread.

Never kick ppl when there down or trying to help someone... Adam's been around for yrs, I don't doubt a word he says.

sleazy speaking the TRUTH even though its harsh.

I AM an asshole - and i speak my mind

i buy health insurance every time i travel.
i pay more in taxes to be a canadian and have health insurance

I'm sure she was making enough money to spend a couple hundred a month on health insurance.

Sleazy has valid points.

i speak my mind - esp when something pisses me off. I never give a shit who it is.

Sleazy,

Your initial point is pretty rational and I can agree. Seems that priority should go to getting her better. In the other thread, seemed like Joel inquired (who, what, when) and then inevitably made a donation. I can understand him inquiring; I can also understand Adam being a bit aggressive now as this is a very trying and stressful time for him, as we can all imagine. To be honest, probably a good job for D$ to handle all together, although I am sure he has his hands tied now.

That aside, the health insurance deal is not really something I think we should debate. There are a plethora of reasons to not have insurance in the United States. I have it, but when I worked from home solely on my own company, I didn't have it for about 3 months. Life is as such. I would rather spend less time judging her now and just keep on track with wishing her all the best.

She is and always will be an icon in this industry, and on behalf of everyone at the Weg offices, I wish her all the best.

SleazyDream, I think this is one of the stupider threads you've made. There is a time and a place for everything, and no matter what your opinion on the matter, there is absolutely no point in posting this now.

Remember, right now the girl's in a coma, and those close to her probably couldn't care less about following proper etiquette. And rightfully so, I might add.

Sometimes, when you have nothing positive to say, you shouldn't say anything at all :2 cents:

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I think personally , they should have had TWO threads. One to inform users of what happened and to gather emotional support. A SEPERATE thread to gather financial support , when it has been worked out that it is needed , and this isnt just "donations" , this means legal advice , medical insurance , etc etc. With that being said , people dont plan on accidents , and frieds dont plan on how to help..

I feel terrible for the girl , it must be shitty to be in that situation. I'm all for helping both mentally and finacially in any way i can , but i would like to make sure the people responsible are paying before i am if that is possible.

YARGH! As always right on the money. I really enjoy every post you write.

I think his point was that MORE help could be given if people went about it the right way , but i agree that people dont plan on "donation etiquette" before an accident.

I have to say that I understand where you are comming from. One thread before this, is all I had heard about it.

And As I under stand, she has been in a bunch of movies, charges a very high price for shoots and such, So why asking for donations??

This is a tuff industry. And if you are making money, and not putting some aside for a rainy day, then you are gonna get bit.

in situations like this etiquette is more important than almost any other time.

you really get to know people when the chips are down - not when they are good.


I see resentment in this thread that some people make more than others.
I see tons of people that put on blinders when something happens.
I saw that money was asked for before welfare of the person.
I saw exactly what the GFY comminuty meant to king adam. - money


I've supported MANY MANY people on here when in need.
I understand niki has worked for many people in this biz.
that being said - king adam came here for money before info and prayers.

that's not cool

I have respectfully disagree the Health insurance point is very valid this a is girl who makes a very good living. She choose not to buy health insurance and spent the money on other things, so now its our responsiblity to give her money? When we started we had ins from day one that meant in the beginning when money was tight, not going out as much and cutting back on bs purchases but the insurance was important. I hope her a speedy recovery.

you nailed it.


it pissed me off when people go on about how much others make - and don't take any responsibility themselves in their own lives and expect others to take care of them.

You make a good point there Sleazy, tough situation but you are speaking what many were probably thinking.

I'm sure she was an angel, and spent the money she should have had for health insurance on adopting starving african children. :thumbsup
Top notch.

adam posted in the heat of the moment.

had he been thinking clearly i don't think he would have knee jerked like that. what you are saying is the correct way to do it.

he panicked and i am sure that he didn't mean to set of the gfy scammer meter. (i know you are not saying that it is a scam).

people here do have good reason to wonder about these type of things. i agree.

the way you say it here, yes is ideally the way it should go down, if it ever even should go down.

i am hoping the best for them and hope she improves over the next 24 hours these are the critical times after trauma. the first three days can normally give you an idea of what damage has been done.

the best to all. :thumbsup

Let me break this down for you: You are right.

Simple, cut and dry; you are right. If we debated, I would put up a fight because I am good at debating, however, your points are more valid while I may be in pit of fallacy.

However, life tends to throw us curveballs from time to time; and during those times, I believe it is important that we all filter through those "Reason and Argument" debates and focus on the priority. That priority right now is her health and future.

I enjoy surfing. I enjoy going out and photographing surfers. Occasionally, I feel the need to go out and surf in double-overhead surf. I could drown, that is the roll of the dice. If I did, would I go down as an "irresponsible risk-taker that got what he deserved;" or would you just send your condolonces?

Sometimes life offers situations whereas we are better supporters than we are judges; I am sure at the end of the day, we all have contents of our lifestyle that could be debated (choosing that time is the essence of the debate and also what makes us human).

You're missing the core of the situation. The girl is in a coma, has a fractured skull and an injured brain. Anyone can see that that doesn't look good, at all. In fact, it probably looks even worse than what has been posted here.

Now, King Adam apparently was there when it happened, and is now waiting for something - anything - to happen. He is quite likely still in shock from what happened himself, is completely powerless to influence what happens to her, does not know if she'll even survive, and all he can do is try and help in taking care of her business for the moment. It is only natural for him to be completely stressed out and not thinking entirely clearly.

Of course one can have his own thoughts about the way this is being handled, but without actually being there and facing the entirety of what happened (as opposed to reading about it behind a computer), it's just a bad idea to openly comment on it in any non-supportive way.

Thanks, appreciate.

I'm going to have to agree with Sleazy on this one. I think it's asinine coming to GFY asking for donations because a model got hurt due to someone's lack of thinking. Horses get spooked easily and someone should have done research before putting her onto a horse (probably one that they didn't even know well enough to ride/mount) and shooting pictures of her.

A) The horse got spooked probably because of the flash or the noise of all of the people around. Research should have been done before shooting her on a horse. They were irresponsible in this and probably just thought, "Oh, horses are so calm and nice...this shouldn't be a problem." Wrong.

B) Didn't have liability insurance to cover her in case she did get hurt. This is also due to a lack of research and knowledge.

This offends me because I do feel bad for Nikki and sympathize with her but this is like me asking to help pay the medical bills of one of my employees because they fell down the stairs in my office. If people want to send money then that's on them but I don't think a thread should have ever been started asking for donations. :2 cents:

Lawyers are circling the waters on this one as we speak.

i totally agree.
not my fault she didnt know how to dial 1-800-BlueCross
sorry she got hurt, hope shes okay, but shes not getting a penny from me.

tough crowd today....
epass sent

i'm not saying this isn't the case. Shit happens.

I've been broke, I've been hurt. I've travled without insurance (ok, actually no I haven't - even when dirt poor I ALWAYS got medical insurance when i went to places where i wasn't covered as a canadian)


but what really happened here.

does niki frequent GFY? - not to my knowledge

adam paniced for money when this happened (and i'm sorry it happened) realizing she didn't have medical insurance and went to the easiest target he could think of to get cash. GFY. He didn't come here to tell us about niki - to my knowledge she isn't a GFYer - he came her to PLUG us for money for someone who isn't part of our community here cause that's how he thinks of us. :2 cents:

In defense of Sleazydream - I've seen this same scenario played out in several other webmaster forums over the years, and it almost always provokes the same sentiments from everyone involved.

I've read the various threads and almost all the posts concerning Nikki's unfortunate accident and while our heart goes out to both her and her loved ones, I would also tend to err on the side of asking questions before making donations. No, I'm not insensitive to someone's plight...in fact I've donated twice in similiar situations in the past - but only after it was demonstrated the situation was genuine.

Obviously its an emotional time for everyone involved and its easy to post messages off-the-cuff in the heat of the moment. But caring people are asking some very valid questions here, given the long history of scams and dupes that take place on the web.

Likewise, I'd have to question why a top-notch adult model who's obviously made some very good earnings over the years...never took advantage of having some sort of medical coverage. Yes, in Canada we have the public health care system, but I still maintain independent coverage on myself and family through my wife's company, as well as liability insurance that covers my own production company (in the event that a model suffers injury during a shoot).

Unfortunately, we seem to live in an era where people don't feel the need to take responsibility for themselves, and then dump the guilt and burden on to others when an unfortunate occurence comes along. Its only natural for those willing to help out and donate to ask a few questions first before blindly tossing out funding.

Best wishes to Nikki for a full recovery.


SilentKnight

I kinda agree

geeee my neighbor 4 doors over was in a bad car accident last week - he buys a lot of porn site memberships - since paysites have made lots of money off him they should all send money to his wife so she will be able to make the bills and they won't loose their house.

yes it's horrible it happened to niki. I'm sorry it happened.

but reality is she isn't a gfy community member so why the fuck are they asking US to pay for it?

great post

When someone is in shock because of a terrible accident and makes a request you find ridiculous, you politely decline or, if possible, just ignore it.

Nobody is forcing you to pay, and nobody is forcing you to view their request as a personal attack either. You could have just posted in their thread with a "Good luck etc", and be done with it. I'm not saying people should be giving money, or that it is a smart idea not to have health insurance, I'm saying that right now is a really, really bad time for attacking those involved.

i've posted my thoughts on gfy from day1 and i'm not stoping being who I am cause some fuckwad like you doesn't like it.

i've supported PILES of people on here too that needed money cause they got hurt or needed it for some emergency.

the way this was presented wasn't cool. sure it's horrible it happened - but when the chips are down you get to know the real person - and king adam let us know what he really thinks about us - we're just cash to him. that's it.

i didn't like that.

This is simple. There is a time for debating actions, I just see this as a time for being human.

I am not proposing anyone donate. I am not supporting Adam's thread. What I am saying is there was a tragedy, it might be better to let the debates simmer until a little time has passed.

you are a complete and total fucking idiot.

exactly.... pay or just let it slide if you have your doubts for whatever reason.

Trying to squeeze drama out of this is weak.

theres' nothing wrong with donating to something you believe in - including this case.

this was a tragity. I feel horrible this happened to niki. it shouldn't happen to anyone.

i feel worse knowing exactly what king adam thinks of us.

It isn't because of what I think, you idiot. Nor is it about you, and about the "PILES of people" you supported.

This would be a good time for you to just shut your bloated ego the fuck up for once, and quietly step back. Making drama out of this is a disgustingly egocentric thing to do. Someone is seriously injured right now, and may even die or be handicapped for life.
That should be a big fucking clue for you that this is serious, and not a good moment to go attention whoring.

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Well said SleazyDream, I fully agree with you. :2 cents:

yep
here we are speaking the same language

Yup. If you don't want to donate, don't. It's pretty simple.

I agree 100% with taht - very well put :thumbsup