Pull out of Iraq? Will that really make them leave us alone?
 

I don't think so. Give up Israel? Well maybe but then it will really be the end of the Arabs. What should we do? Take the leash of the Israelis and the hammer will come down like Bush was never able to do.

It worked for France, oh wait...
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No doubt, I think the Arabs are better off dealing with the US than with Isreal.

That said, we have no business in Iraq...unless we can clearly demonstrate that our being there will lower our gas prices...now That is a foreign policy!

Matt

Dosn't matter whether we leave or stay. Everything will go back to way it was. The arab people are the most stubborn in the world. They live in a fucking desert what do you think

Yeah pretty much

So many intelligent people here .... :1orglaugh

Another brilliant one:

So basically, the US can invade anybody if they can't prove they don't have something ...

Proving " a negative" is impossible ....

MrShitOvitch. prove to me you don't have WMD ... :1orglaugh

We all know they did not have WMDs. Why do we keep talking about that? We are there now, so what do we do now? Why talk aobut the past all the time. What about the future. Do we stay or do we go now??

Things are bad, but they can get alot worse. At the end of the day, Saddam is gone, and Iraq is gradually healing.

Eastern Europe took 50 years to become free after WWII. The US Democratic Party timetable for Iraq is ridiculous.

Interesting comments you write here about the 50 years. I think you are correct.

They will always choke on our sweet air of freedom.

we got their oil, time to leave

It took 50 years because the US government didnt allow the US military to FINISH the fucking job.

Patton wanted to keep going and bitch slap Russia in 45. He saw the future.

Think about how history would have been changed had he been allowed to do what he KNEW was the smart move.

No Cold War, no USSR fostering arab hate, prolly no Viet Nam either.


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and for the US , oh wait ....

Now you kids think about that and draw some comparisons to the situation in Iraq.

But what about all the poor innocent Iraqi children that might die if we do the patton thing?? Oh how sad that would be...

They never left you alone before??

Did Iraq invade the US?

Did Iraq fire missiles at ya?

Did Iraq send folks to blow ya up?

Did Iraq declare war on you?

What's with the "leave us alone" stuff? :winkwink:

It situation is in fact, the complete reverse. The US launched an attack on Iraq on false pretexts and in the process causing the deaths and maiming of many thousands of people - not excluding it's own troops.

The US govt made their bed - it's time to sleep in it.

Chances are, they won't leave the US alone now. It's only a matter of time.

Hate to burst your little Team America bubble but if that had happend we'd all be speaking Russian right now.

I hope you are wrong becuase when they make a mess here it really puts a halt to everything we call "way of life"

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Complain about Bush all you want but we have not had an attack on our soil in a long time. I think this is due in large part that we are keeping them so busy over there own their own soil. I hate to see US troops die but I think it is worse to see innocent civilians die here.. NO?

"they"?? You mean the Iraqis?? And what are you basing this revelation on? What exactly has Iraq done to put a halt on your "way of life" thus far?

True, it's better for kill innocent foreign civilians than it's to have civilian casualties in your own country.

Now, I hope some of you realize that both the US and iraq are foreign to quite a few people so to 'us' it's a different view.

Yup, I like that mentality.

"A small faction out of Afganistan attacked us.. but we can't get them... let's go... uhmm... let's take out some other country. That'll teach them!!"

What do you have against Arabs? I'm not an Arab myself, but don't hate them... I only hate fanaticism of any kind...

Bingo thats all that matters.. they dropped the value of the dollar and raised gas prices for a reason.. so many just got alot richer while the rest of us lose money..

I thought GOING IN was going to make them leave us alone...

Damn i'm confuzed.

How far up one's ass does one have to reach to pull out such ignorance?

Bin Laden and all of Al Qaeda are in Iraq fighting us on "their own soil"?
How many Iraqis were on the 911 planes?
How long has it been since we were attacked on our own soil? (4 years). How long was it before that? (longer than 4 years)... Anyone with half an eye open knows they are in no hurry and are completely willing to take 10 years (or longer) to pull off the spectacular strike if that's what it takes.

Your comment falls even flatter when you take into the fact that Tony Blair is committed 100% behind GW and they have been struck on their own soil since the Iraq invasion.

The people who are fighting us now would not be fighting us now if we were not there. Regardless of one's feeling good or bad about the war, this is the fact.

BTW, this post is not debating the good or bad of the Iraq war, that is a whole separate issue, I was merely addressing your single horribly misguided comment.

LOL - Yeah I wonder which country France and others will be turning to for help when the shit hits the fan and they need some assistance.

The part that the US missed is that as soon as we leave they are going to go right back to the old ways - its happened every time an occupying army has left Iraq (Persia) over thousands of years - hell - even happened when the UK left a few years ago (ok to me it was a few) - its history

You cant instill a "democracy" on someone that is based on Christianity (and we know that Bush and everyone else always defends their morality arguments by saying that a democracy and our constitution are based on their religion) when the country is muslim - you can either convert them all to Christianity - which aint gonna happen - or you can leave them the fuck alone and let them run their government the way they have throughout history.

Face it, your great grandkids will be serving in that shithole 60 years from now.

The current situation in IRAQ had nothing to do with WMD, or terrorism. It had to do with oil. Black gold. Texas tea!

Well the first thing you know old jeds a millionair.......

Bullshit. Patton knew what he was suggesting and wouldn't have, had he not felt confident in success.

This is the only intelligent post in this thread.

Everyone sure has their own opinion. I like mine. I don't however think that this is just about stealing someones oil. It is much wider than that.

Why can't you? Turkey is a Muslim country yet has Western-style Democracy.

Its a battle that can not be won. The hatred will continue now or 20 years from now. So why not get out and save as many lives and as much money as possible. Probably cause we havent sucked the iraqi oil fields dry yet.

i'd like to see more rotation in the soldiers so they can come home to see their families and then go back

Not a chance. The US had superior aircraft at the time. The US would have gone in, and the war would have dragged on another 10 years but the allies would have won in russia.

Yes its also about making their defense contractor friends and themselves richer as well. And at the time of going it was about boosting their ratings and instilling fear and terror to the people.

Unless there is a draft, aint no way that happens. We are too thin over there as it is.

For quite a few reasons - and Turkey happens to be a very extreme example as it is the only country that has been able to sustain a democracy with an Islamic culture for more than a few years.

The reasons are based on their history - they have always been self sufficient - not based on some natural resource such as oil or other commodity - but built from within - so they are also the one country that didnt have a democracy instilled on it by another country or by an invader.
Another reason is that during the Ottaman period - they were able to grow their own economy - again not based on outsiders. This nurtured the democratic roles and fed independant thinking which is a hard thing to do - a prime example in the Islamic world as they are (so far) the only one to be able to do it.
There have been three attempts over the last century to drive away the democracy from within and they have all failed - the military has been driven back each time.

The last and probably most important is that Turkey has always been closer to being "westernized" in its dealings - mostly due to the Ottomans - and their culture shows it - where most Islamic society is based on "duty" the Turkish have transcended that and incorporated "rights" which are not very Islamic in nature.

For all of this their democracy is still a very frail entity just as most are for newer (last 300 years) countries that have gone that direction.

The problem in Iraq is that you have three very distinct sects of Islamic thought that conflict with each other - the British tried to unite them using chemical warfare attacks on one of the sects back in the 1920s - and ended up looking like every other "invader/occupier" that has attempted to run Iraq over the last few thousand years

Got the OIL...and the BLOOD!

they've already fucked up Iraq... can't back out now, it would just turn into a terrorist haven. Funny thing is it's way more dangerous to the US now than it was when Saddam was in power.

Did anyone see the excerpts from the Saddam trial today? They were better than Jerry Springer show. It is nice to see the Arabs learning about democracy.