Business Thread... SoloGirl Paysite discussion. Your take on this..
 

Hi Everyone. I always love reading the really good in-depth business threads. They are always really good to get ideas flowing and see what others have to say. With that said I thought why don't I try to start a good business thread and see what other people think. Anyhow here is my attempt at it.


My question to you GFYers is...
What do you think of the current SoloGirl Paysite Craze?
Do you think companies are making bank on them or just doing alright?


Here's My Opinion....

To my knowledge more SoloGirl sites were launched in 2005 than in any other year before and by comparison I would say there were fewer Mega Sites (ie Twistys, Atk, Karups) launched in 2005 than any other year before. One might think that SoloGirl sites are more profitable than Mega sites and hence the huge explosion of them. I believe that person would be wrong and very far from the truth.

Everywhere you turn there is another solo girl site popping up. Another big webmaster program announcing they've launched a new solo girl site and Xbiz running articles about how SoloGirl sites are the big craze. I can't help but wonder if everybody jumping on the wrong bandwagon.

I don't know the exact history of paysites but my guess would be solo girl sites were the first type of paysites. Names that come to mind are Carol Cox and Danni Ashe. Both have been extremely successful and have been in our industry longer than 99% of us. They were successful because they were able to attract a market that was willing to pay money to see more and learn more about that girl. It gave the surfer an inside look to their life as well as some hot pics and movies. Both of those sites started as Single Model sites and eventually developed into full blown sites featuring many models. Why? I believe because it was the logical step for them to grow and maintain market share. With their competition offering more they had to increase what their member's got in order to remain competitive. If Danni were still a site about just Danni Ashe she'd have a SMALL fraction of the members she has today.

It has probably been close to 10 years since Carol Cox's site went live. Since then we've had a whole variety of paysites come out. From cookie cutter to mega site to niche site to reality sites to reality niche sites, to dvd sites etc. I think it is very safe to say since the new visa regulations went into effect the paysite industry has taken some major steps forward. Instead of the old cookie cutter crap, surfers are finally getting something for their money. Reality sites SAVED big PPS programs. Reality sites allowed programs like SicCash, SilverCash, Adult.com to continue running high converting sites for a relatively low cost.

Ok, back to today. Have we come full circle? Here we are 10 years later and you have a large number of companies jumping on SoloGirl sites as if it is the biggest thing to hit the paysite industry. You would think 10 years later our industry would have evolved and there be more mega sites or model networks featuring multiple solo girls (ie Lightspeed). Instead a number of companies are jumping on board and starting from scratch with half assed, overpriced, under updated and personality less Solo girl sites. From my standpoint it just seems odd. After the visa regs I thought it would only be a matter of time before a company like SicCash, SilverCash, Adult.com, Ars ran a huge successful mega site. Instead being cost effective and running/starting sites as cheap as possible is more important and so some of these companies have entered into the solo girl market. Are they afraid of the cost and work that goes in to a mega site? Or are the profits too long term for their business model?

To answer my question.
What do you think of the current SoloGirl Paysite Craze?
I believe companies getting in on solo girl sites thinking they've found their long term solution are in for a rude awakening. I think Mr Steve Lightspeed would be the first to tell you, if you base your business model around solo girl sites you are going to have to keep trying and trying until you hit a big seller. Once you hit the big seller milk her dry and start looking for the next big seller FAST. If you don't find that big seller don't expect big bucks.

Do you think companies are making bank on them or just doing alright?
I think most of them are making SOOOOOOO much less than you think you'd be shocked. I know sites like Naughty Allie and Vanilla Deville are doing well. They have a model behind the site that is making it work. The sad reality is most solo girl sites don't. Most are over priced. Most don't have the appeal and the member's area to retain at any price higher than $14.95 (and most charge more than 14.95).

In conclusion I think instead of people saying "SoloGirl Sites the Hot Thing in 2005" I believe it should be "SoloGirl Sites the NEW Quick Buck in 2005". It's too bad that the industry still turns towards making a quick buck instead of building quality long term sites.

My Prediction... One last thought. I predict you'll see a lot of companies not followup with new solo girl sites in 2006. The big paysite companies that jumped on the bandwagon this year are going to realize that it wasn't as easy and as profitable as they thought and they'll go back to the drawing board. In the meantime companies like us will be buying them up and turning them into profitable ventures ;)

What are your thoughts on this?

A cricket comment after 3 minutes? LOL DAMN.

Interresting read. I'll be curious to see the responses.

My opinion being, mega sites are too plugin focused, and solo sites are 'boring'. What i would suggest would be a small group of girls(5-8) that all have the same site. Not 'girls house' reality, but just a, well, conglomerate of solo girls on one site. (not a network).

I don't think you can make millions from solo sites but startup cost are low, and if you got a good girl that can do some promotion in the clubs she works with and with her clients, and participate in the thing, this can be profitable just from that.

I'm currently working with a girl...

Here is a couple ways I'l make money with it :
I'l pimp her up, and get her to work as a feature in clubs. She'll have posters, cards and other giveaway for the website at everyone of her shows. So I'ma make a cut 15 % of what she makes when she's a feature when I book her (booking will go through me)...

Affiliate program (allthougth I don't count too much on this, but this can bring some extra money)

And off course we'll push the site pretty hard... with our dvd line and couple offline ways, and off course online .

By mega site i mean like twistys and videosz. 100% plugin free.

I think most single girl sites are doing "allright"... not much more. But when you have 10 solo girl sites running (at low cost compared to mega sites), it adds up and become nice numbers.

With every new solo-girl you have created a new unique niche.

So 'Sologirls' are a logical evolutional result in a market where every site has
the same gaping ass videos and every more traditional niche is covered over and over already.

Porn is getting more personal. Its in the same line as the current explosion of dating related sites. People have seen all the gore and extreme action now they want
to go back to a more personal approach.

In the future well have one-stop mega dvd sites, adult dating and solo sites.

In my experience solo girl sites can do just fine, if the girl and the program work together, although I personally like megasites better.

I gotta agree on there. Each girl have their market... but in the end, they are all sharing the same pie. I doubt signup ammounts is increased much by the venue of new solo sites... so they just split the pie. It has become very competitive and I doubt the new sites will make as much money as the old ones used too...

I tend to agree with you... Everyone sees the success of lightspeed and a handfull of sites and they jump all over it... But it will end... Take SilverCash... People are complaining about the lack of FHGs and stuff for all their regular sites and they've come right out and said they are busy working on their solo girl sites... but when you look at their sales and conversion stats, it's not all the solo girl sites that fill up the lists. So they're spending most of their time working on things that don't give them the most revenue and that I'm sure a lot of people don't even have appropriate traffic for promoting it.

its a phase.. and what is most appaling is 90% of them arent even hot. But i think the more the net is flodded with tame solo girl stuff it will make hardcore a little more refreshing :)

Duke

I think a larger selection is nice because as someone said earlier, each one is a seperate niche. It amazes me when people call them ugly, fat, or whatever. Solo girls have their unique features whether it be being pale, a big nose, or really short hair. Perhaps 95% of the population isn't into them, but that 5% that is will sign up. It's about finding the girl that just has that look. You can't tell me girls like Tiffany Teen are the hottest girls you've ever seen? Dressed normally, she'd just be a cute girl you see at the mall. However, she had that look that just got guys.

My only problem with the mass amounts of them is that many are low quality inside. Not much content, no customer interaction, and almost a short term solution. I can see why a lot of these sites don't retain well.

The quality ones that update, have interaction, and quality content inside retain extremely well. Ask anyone that has promoted Jordan Capri or Tawnee Stone over the years. Those girls retain.

I guess I'm saying that more sites are good and ensure no girl gets oversaturated. However, since most are revshare, it'd be nice to see the quality improve.

I agree but disagree. Sologirl sites today are very close to where they were 10 years ago. Companies haven't expanded on the solo girl niche, they are just putting up cheap solo girl sites and trying to make a quick buck.

I agree that more personal websites are going to be the future. The current wave of solo girl sites that came out in 2005 are not exactly PERSONAL websites.

There is NO money in solo girl sites

BINGO. I wouldn't be surprised if Silvercash decides to no longer invest or promote their SoloGirl sites in 6 months from now.

NOTE I haven't even visited the Silvercash solo girl sites. I'm saying that from a strictly mathematical standpoint. The truth is most solo girl sites have between 300 and 700 members. That's great for a model or a new website company. But for big fish like Silvercash that's a BOMB. Mike deals in big numbers and I doubt he's going to keep investing in a 300 to 700 member site.

I think soo many of these solo girl sites are complete B.S anyways, they shoot the girl 30 times wearing a different outfit and call it a site. Look at some of those programs that have like 25 solo girl sites. It's just a craze.

I can count the good solo girl sites on one hand.

I agree. The web needs more Allie's and Vanilla Deville's. Real sites run by real women. That's the key to rentention.

The funny thing is alot of these so called solo girl sites of some of our Twistys girls have less sets than we have of the model. We have a few models with 60+ different photosets. We have 1500 models like that and charge the same or less than these sites. Then they wonder why retention sucks.

I didnt even know they had solo girl sites let alone visited them.

BINGO!

They shoot 30 sets in 3 hours and think they have a site. Then wonder why 3 months later their site is only getting 4 sales a day with no rebills.

BTW nice job on http://www.bigassadventure.com HOT STUFF!

Great question, wrong board.

LOL i know, i don't even have the time for GFY nevermind watching multiple boards lol :winkwink:

Alot of them are boring and the talents have no personality and many i have noticed look akward on video as well .
To boot the hotter models, majority don't do hardcore . So basically you are just watching them prance
around naked looking pretty and if you are lucky they will stick a toy up their love hole .
How long will a guy enjoy that until he gets sick of it ??
The brightside , I think the retention for the better sologirl sites which includes the talent participating
in their own site like webcam/liveshows and regular updates do much better than the average niche paysite. :)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Things can get very heated up arround here ...sometimes

hehe, you said "love hole"

:wetkiss yes its the hole u make love to isn't it ? :upsidedow

it's a business model that works - and it's tempting - but i'm not going to do it.

wrong that business model doesn't really work
don't be fooled :2 cents:

how would you know?

4-5 sales a day - means about 100 bucks a day profit - 100 times 365 days in a year - 36,500 a year - if it's a cookie cutter site your investment can be as low as 3-5 grand - multiply that by 10 cookie cutter sites - you have a nice income.

Better have a strong brand because you wont have much of an affiliate program based on retention with the cookie cutter sites and the webmasters are going to go push someone who does, you definitely cant offer pps on that budget.

I have had them all and they are great gateway sites for programs becasue the tgps like to push them..

otherwise they are like any other site I prefer to have sites that feature more then one girl because its more eye candy for the end user. one will spark his attention to join, your limited with one girl unless she's amazing

Please bare with me...
This will be huge but worth it.

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Originally Posted by shap Hi Everyone. I always love reading the really good in-depth business threads. They are always really good to get ideas flowing and see what others have to say. With that said I thought why don't I try to start a good business thread and see what other people think. Anyhow here is my attempt at it. My question to you GFYers is... What do you think of the current SoloGirl Paysite Craze? Do you think companies are making bank on them or just doing alright?

Solo Girls sites are a long drawn out process. Its not the girl but how they are marketed and how wide the "image/character" of the girl can be effective in. The Girl does not have to perfect, infact many solo girl sites have girls in them that are not even that "hot" even over weight, however I have always been in the philosphy that no matter how the chick looks she can have an audience. Historically one can look at what Steve LS did with Tawny not even 3 maybe 4(?) years ago. He branded her and made the name almost a family name amoung surfers. That has REWARDS! Huge rewards or Steves Pool is fake and his car's are photochopped.

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Originally Posted by shap To my knowledge more SoloGirl sites were launched in 2005 than in any other year before and by comparison I would say there were fewer Mega Sites (ie Twistys, Atk, Karups) launched in 2005 than any other year before. One might think that SoloGirl sites are more profitable than Mega sites and hence the huge explosion of them. I believe that person would be wrong and very far from the truth.

You are right I think to a degree. Here is why. It all depends on Content. Now a Solo Girl can do well and just as well as a Mega site. But what you might be missing here is the element of uniqueness. What I mean by that is there can only be one girl and guys will love that girl online, be loyal recurring members and happily pay. Charge back ratio's for TRUE solo girls sites I am sure are less than Mega site concepts since the audience is "Attatched" or "Likes" her and the personnal attention a solo girl site can create is priceless to subscribers.

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Originally Posted by shap Everywhere you turn there is another solo girl site popping up. Another big webmaster program announcing they've launched a new solo girl site and Xbiz running articles about how SoloGirl sites are the big craze. I can't help but wonder if everybody jumping on the wrong bandwagon.

Solo Girl is not for every adult webmaster or every program but it is a matter of harnessing and focus of the program. If you remember the AMATEUR craze alot can be learned from that. The internet went from mostly prostuff, PlayBoy scans, that were throw aways by big media companies such as Hustler etc. REF: Falcon FOTO circa 1997.
The explosion of amateur was immense and solo girl sites are I believe another iteration of this.

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Does not really work? How many joins a day do you believe is enough to make it work?

We do solo and mega sites, both have there ups and downs.

Hey Kev. Was talking about you earlier today.

You are a great guy to speak on this subject. You've done both Mega and Solo girl sites. You've done the solo girl sites the right way with a REAL backend to them. Now from your experience what do you think about all this?

I am not posting more till this fucken thread gets more reads;)


Cuz I know ya folks are wanting to see the answer. :1orglaugh

LOL :winkwink:

I do run a solo girl paysite as well .

True , not going to deny this you will make some easy extra money , but if you have a recurring program
that is barely doing any rebills (if any)
Who will push you with awful retention sites. You can send your own traffic ,
but you still won't be doing to good for yourself you still have all your overhead expenses .
In the end, will all this be worth your time, energy and $$ you put into it ?
However , I do have a little higher expectation for
goals so my perspective is a little different .

Any amount past 2 joins daily i guess would work but 150-200 joins
on average daily would probably classify as "making it work successfully" :thumbsup

Well I have tried a slew of sites over the years; we started with a mega site,

GlamourModelsGoneBad, like Twistys, huge updates, the best content we can find, no feeds at all, just easy access to tons of porn, seems to work for us.

We started on the solo sites a while back and are happy overall with them; some hit hard so don?t just the nature of the biz.

It is a harder market because your talent can leave at any time, contract or not so there is some risk involved, but for us the solo sites in our group are now outselling our mega sites.

Don?t forget we see porn all day we are jaded, guys fall in love with models and will follow them to the end, you will gain members for life with a good solo site.

I think that is the key to what is being discussed. Some people want to have 10 sites doing 4 sales a day. After all that's 40 sales a day and if the content is all paid for that's not too bad. On the flip side those sales won't renew so you are probably working your ass off upselling and selling them off to a site that will renew, again not a bad idea if that is your thing.

Personally, I prefer to have good long term members and an continually growing member base. Then again that's just me :winkwink:

This thread feels like a big ad for twistys (great site, btw)

this is my brand - the one thing that cuts throught the bs in this niche is the girls themselves - surfers in that niche know what they are looking for.

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Yeah that's exactly what i figured. The way you are running your solo girl sites you are keeping those REAL <cough STALKER> fans happy and members for life. You are doing it right :thumbsup We'll be venturing into that market in the near future however I believe our focus will remain in the mega site type market.

Yep this is the "T" in true and rebills is where its at!!
No wonder magnatique says you're the smartest dude he knows :)

I not seen Shap in years but I know em well.
And if he is anything like the guy I knew "Way back when" he is not looking to promote twisty's but obviously pondering a solo girl site.

LOL If only it were a surfer board :winkwink:

Actually we have some upcoming projects which will bring us into the solo girl site world. It's not going to be our bread and butter but it will be a part of our company and affiliate program. I've done alot of research and alot of people just don't get it. You got it. You got it a long time ago. Others don't. What's amazing to me is that people don't research before starting a project. Whenever we start something new we do alot of research. We study the competition. We try to see what is working, what isn't and why. Looking at the solo girl sites that have come out in the last year I have to say a whole lot of companies are lazy and haven't done their homework and that's too bad for them but good for you and I :thumbsup

If I had money to burn right now I would make a model of the month site each week would feature a new hot talent then rotate them out and back in if they were popular with members, and if a model really stands out, then spin her off as a solo site.

:winkwink: (i was looking for a shhhhh smiley, is there one?).

Btw my wife will be contacting you about Kayla this week.

I look forward to it.

Kayla is already signed and schedualed to be released :(

But...

Thats not the end of the story. I got some of LA's finest on a list waiting and are qualified for a site:) Got Shapettes email earlier this evening will be fun to see what shakes out :thumbsup

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