World Missle Defense and 911
 

Is there some suggestive evidence that points to the US knowing what was going to happen...? I suppose this is a spawn of that other nasty thread, "What really happened..." Don't blow a fuse -- here are some questions...

Did the CIA do an insurance examination of the structural integrity of the WTC just before it was hit...?
Did we have one of the hijackers in custody before the planes hit...?
Was there a swift agenda that was put through after the destruction...?

One of my friends made the connection w/ another moment of tragedy in history--Perl Harbor which he says was "allowed to happen" in order for the US to enter the war... Was it? Sacrifice is an integral element of war... right? You are going to have losses -- isn't it best to think ahead and have control of those losses? This is a basic rule of chess also...

Remember Spock --

"The good of the many outweighs the good of the few or the one."

Did we see this attack coming and hope that the WTC would not collapse? If it had not collapsed... how many would be dead? Weren't a lot of these WTC floors empty? Would we have sent in as many firefighters if we thought it was going to fall? An announcement was made to the people in the building to stay inside because it was thought the building would not fall... It's all sick and horrible any way you look at it.

Nov 1, 2001 (President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia emerged from more than an hour of talks with President Bush today saying they could reach agreements that would alter the 1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty, according to The New York Times. If so, that would free the United States to test a proposed anti-missile system while meeting Moscow's demand not to abandon the treaty altogether.)

Nov 29, 2001 (The U.S. military plans to conduct its fifth "hit-to-kill" missile defense test in space over the Pacific Ocean on Saturday as Moscow and Washington remain at odds over the American anti-missile program, Reuters reports. "It is scheduled for Saturday night. It is just part of an ongoing and robust missile defense program," Defense Department spokeswoman Victoria Clarke told reporters. Defense officials have stressed that the test, in which a projectile fired from Kwajalein island in the Pacific will attempt to intercept and shatter a dummy warhead launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, would not violate the 1972 Anti-ballistic Missile Treaty between the United States and the former Soviet Union. Two of four former U.S. hit-to-kill tests have been successful and two have failed. But Russia remains strongly opposed to plans by the Bush administration to move beyond the controversial ABM treaty. In "What's the Right Missile Defense System for America?" written just before the recent Bush-Putin summit, senior defense policy analyst Charles Pena said: "If the United States is going to build a new strategic framework with Russia and eventually scrap the ABM Treaty (although Russia still considers the treaty central to nuclear stability), it should do so to provide real national security for the U.S. homeland and not to be the world's policeman. Advocates of missile defense are quick to paint a 'doom and gloom' picture that America and Americans are defenseless against attacks from ballistic missiles. Why then are we pursuing a system that will defend the world and will be significantly more expensive than a system designed to defend the United States?")

December 12, 2001 (Bush to Withdraw U.S. from ABM Treaty
President Bush plans to give Russia notice soon of a decision to withdraw the United States from the 1972 treaty banning deployment of a nationwide antimissile system, according to The Washington Post. The officials said the announcement, which could come as early as this week, would invoke a clause in the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty that requires six months' notice before abandoning the pact.)

Dec 14, 2001 (Rejecting Russian and Chinese opposition, President Bush gave formal notice on Thursday that the United States is abandoning the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty to press ahead with a missile defense system., according to the Associated Press. In the White House Rose Garden, Bush said the Sept. 11 attacks proved the need to develop ways "to protect our people from future terrorists or rogue state missile attacks."
"We know that the terrorists and some of those who support them seek the ability to deliver death and destruction to our doorstep via missile. And we must have the freedom and the flexibility to develop effective defenses against those attacks," Bush said. Cato Institute defense analysts Ivan Eland and Charles Peña offered the following comments on the President's announcement: "We support the development of a limited national missile defense to protect the U.S. homeland and acknowledge that withdrawal from the ABM Treaty eventually may be necessary. But now is not the time to make that decision.
"First, the testing program for the most mature elements of a limited land-based missile defense system is still in its infancy. The results to date are largely positive and promising. But it is too early to make a deployment decision, which would require either amending, renegotiating or withdrawing from the treaty. Adequate testing of a limited land-based system can continue within the constraints of the treaty. Therefore, there is no immediately compelling reason to unilaterally withdraw from the treaty. "Second, President Bush claims that the ABM Treaty "hinders our government's ability to develop ways to protect our people from future terrorist or rogue-state missile attacks." However, ballistic missiles are the least likely means by which terrorists would attack the United States because missiles provide an immediately known point of origin, which would result in immediate U.S. retaliation. If a threat from rogue states (e.g., Iran, Iraq, and North Korea) emerges, it will not materialize for a number of years. Since both the threat and a thoroughly tested limited land-based missile defense system are still in the future, the United States does not need to abandon the ABM Treaty now. It can continue testing until a well-informed deployment decision can be made.")

Hey man I think u watch too much space channel and comercials are affecting your brain.
:2 cents:

So you know who Spock is too... What's your point? So does every computer geek on the planet.

unrelated fact to actual events.

Before sept 11 the talk in congress was decreasing military and cia budjet. After Sept 11 well.............

some people will misinterprut this, but in reality they NEEDED to beef up the military. Its a bad thing to say but the event of sept 11 was one of the only ways to get the panzy assed no war hippies to agree to beef up the military and CIA again. Thank God they did it with a low tech assault and not nukes which are on the black market now. If it would have been a nuke in a shipping container we'd have a death toll in the millions and not thousands. - and there would be a big crator where afganistan used to be.
If you want peace you have to prepare for war. USA had it's guard down and got a STRONG wake up call. It won't happen again for another 20-30 years casue people are now realizing that evil DOES exist in the world and needs to be controlled by FORCE.

I dont realy have one Im just trying to get more posts to my name:Graucho

Can't afford a T-Shirt?

"Last January, the US Space Command held a simulated computer
warfare "game" set in the year 2017. The "Blues"
(US) went to war with the "Reds" (China). The Blue team
launched a preemptive first-strike attack on China using the military space plane, the now planned successor to NASA's space shuttle. The second weapon used in the January computer war game was the space-based laser (SBL). The SBL is a resurrected technology from Ronald Reagan's Star Wars vision that would be an orbiting battle station whose laser would knock out other countries' satellites in space and hit targets on the Earth below. Last December the Pentagon announced the start of the SBL testing program at NASA's Stennis Missile Center in southwest Mississippi. By the year 2012 they hope to deploy the first operational SBL to be eventually followed by a constellation of 18-48 of the weapons orbiting the planet. Power for the SBL would be provided by on-board nuclear reactors. The Pentagon estimates the SBL testing program will cost over $30 billion.
Lockheed Martin, TRW, Boeing, and Raytheon are the top four
Star Wars contractors. Their campaign contributions to Republicans and Democrats alike have paved the road for nearly unchallenged appropriations of research and development (R & D) funding for the many different technologies now under way. The Pentagon figures that by opening up many different Star Wars project lines that they will be able to increase the money flow and over time get some of them to work. So-called missile defense systems thus get the pipeline moving."

There are a lot of these types of websites talking about this stuf... http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Mi...ojanHorse.html

ya I can I just want to be able to change my title so I need to hit 1k msgs soon lol

Damn! I can't find the magazine I was looking for so I can't give all the details, but basically it said that the company that has the contract to develop the interceptor missiles is a dummy company that is owned by another company that is jointly owned by the Bush family and the Bin Laden family... or at least it was partially owned by the Bin Laden family until 9/11 when they decided it would be best if they sold their share...
The chairman of this company was said to be the former British Prime Minister John Major. If I can find the magazine I'll tell you the highlights.

Yep... the Carlyle group is what you were talking...

Check this out it seems that group also covered up the CIA's meeting w/ Bin Laden in a hospital...

"Throughout his stay in the hospital, Osama Bin Laden received visits from many family members [There goes the story that he?s a black sheep!] and Saudi Arabian Emirate personalities of status. During this time the local representative of the CIA was seen by many people taking the elevator and going to bin Laden?s room.
"Several days later the CIA officer bragged to his friends about having visited the Saudi millionaire. "

Yadda Yadda...

"Even though Le Figaro reported that it had confirmed with hospital staff that bin Laden had been there as reported, stories printed on November 1 contained quotes from hospital staff that these reports were untrue. On November 1, as reported by the Ananova press agency, the CIA flatly denied that any meeting between any CIA personnel and Osama bin Laden at any time. In the most ironic twist of all, FTW has learned that Le Figaro is owned by the Carlyle Group, the American defense contractor which employs George Bush Sr., and which had as investors ? until they sold their stake on October 26 - the bin Laden family."

Haha... Check out dozens of fascinating bits of news on a timeline related to 9/11 here:

http://www.bighula.com/copvcia/free/...1_02_lucy.html

These seemed interesting...

10. June 2001 ? German intelligence, the BND, warns the CIA and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists are "planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture." [Source: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, September 14, 2001.]

14. Summer 2001 ? An Iranian man phones U.S. law enforcement to warn of an imminent attack on the World Trade Center in the week of September 9th. German police confirm the calls but state that the U.S. Secret Service would not reveal any further information. [Source: German news agency "online.de", September 14, 2001, translation retrieved from online.ie in Ireland.]

17. August 11 or 12 ? US Navy Lt. Delmart "Mike" Vreeland, jailed in Toronto on U.S. fraud charges and claiming to be an officer in U.S. Naval intelligence, writes details of the pending WTC attacks and seals them in an envelope which he gives to Canadian authorities. [Source: The Toronto Star, Oct. 23, 2001; Toronto Superior Court Records]

Ok here's more about the Bin Laden visit in an American hospital last July in Dubai... and remember the newspaper reporting this shit is suposedly owned by a secretive investment group of which George Bush Sr. is a member...

"An article in the French daily Le Figaro confirms that Osama bin Laden underwent surgery in an American Hospital in Dubai in July.
During his stay in the hospital, he met with a CIA official. While on the World's "most wanted list", no attempt was made to arrest him during his two week stay in the hospital, shedding doubt on the Administration's resolve to track down Osama bin Laden."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html

Here's some more info on the Carlyle group...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4288516,00.htm

"For 14 years now, with almost no publicity, the company has been signing up an impressive list of former politicians - including the first President Bush and his secretary of state, James Baker; John Major; one-time World Bank treasurer Afsaneh Masheyekhi and several south-east Asian powerbrokers - and using their contacts and influence to promote the group. Among the companies Carlyle owns are those which make equipment, vehicles and munitions for the US military, and its celebrity employees have long served an ingenious dual purpose, helping encourage investments from the very wealthy while also smoothing the path for Carlyle's defence firms.
But since the start of the "war on terrorism", the firm - unofficially valued at $3.5bn - has taken on an added significance. Carlyle has become the thread which indirectly links American military policy in Afghanistan to the personal financial fortunes of its celebrity employees, not least the current president's father. And, until earlier this month, Carlyle provided another curious link to the Afghan crisis: among the firm's multi-million-dollar investors were members of the family of Osama bin Laden. "

Of course US intelligence knew September 11 was going to happen. An act of terrorism on that scale was needed to justify a war against Afghanistan (over oil in Tajikistan) and to justify current levels of defence spending.

So now the western world has a faceless enemy and a war that will never end. Good one Georgie.... mission accomplished.

But as usual, its mostly about OIL

You mean this faceless enemy? I think I can see him in the smoke.

<img src="http://artbell.com/images/devilface2.jpg">

you guys are drama queens =-P

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero...erreurs_en.htm

You may have already seen this interpretation of the Pentagon crash. There seem to be a few other people that doubt what happened 9/11.

People died. Why, who conspired or how they did it is going to be another JFK like saga.