How to Legally Spam
 

I presume that everyone here is trying to make money,
in some way or another, by promoting adult programs.

Is there a safe and legal way to promote a service,
without being accused of spamming ?

• Is there somewhere you can safely post ?
• Has anyone got some great money making tips ?
• Are there any really good programs around ?
• Which are your best money earners ?

There must be loads of experienced webmasters here,
with great ideas, advice and tips. So why not share them !

Perhaps, together we can build up a database of tried and
trusted programs.

That way we all benefit !

P.S. This is a serious post, seeking help and information.

your that same moron promoting that 390 dollar per hour bullshit. obviousley you dont need advice since you have the greatest sponsor ever.

Two words: IP Spoofing.

Three Words : Go Fuck Yourself

Pay for Yahoo listings

Rent opt in webmaster email lists -

The price is good considering you don't need to worry about legal ramifications - and the conversions are higher because these are people looking for offers.

www.naughtymail.com is one - through python - or poppy @ detourinteractive.com can also set you up!

i bet 90% of the so called opt in lists aren't really opt in lists. i get a ton of spam everyday and i've only signed up for one opt in list, not including the newsletters i get from places like maxcash.

i bet most places just sell the emails and say they're opt in.

The only TRUE adult double opt's are places like j4f and freezine...anybody else is just feeding you bull...Optin lists are still spamming if the person didnt signup from YOUR site asking for YOUR services... If you decide to pay to be on some adult mailing lists be prepared to put the deed to your car up as front money ;)

I think this guy is trying to find a way just not to get caught...Don't try to go from a legit webmaster to a mailer...Those are the people that always get caught...

Thanks,

Just checked out the naughty mail site....
The minimum order is $2,500 !

Who the hell is going to pay that ?

is this guy Alf's relative?

The Daily Dirt has a super clean double opt-in list of over a million active readers. Bottomline you have to give the subscribers something different and they will be glad to get your "newsletter" everyday. I know our readers love our mailer and would probably pay for it if they had to but it takes alot of work. You cant just throw some links in an email and send it to a million people a day without some negative results.

Ofcourse it can't be legalized! Maybe you can try to advertise it on some get paid to read email companies.

Hello GFY Members. My name is Poppy and this is my first time posting here. Nice board!

Now for the biz. First off, Naughty Mail is not SPAM. We, Detour Interactive DO NOT promote or resell for companies that support this. Good business ethics and honesty are what we are all about. That being said, we broker Naughty Mail's lists. NM is owned by Python and Python has a great reputation and so does NM.

If you take the time to go to http://naughtymail.com and subscribe, you will see that it is DOUBLE OPT-IN. The $2,500 minimum test is not set in stone. The thing about these lists that is cost effective is that we do not charge per email. We only charge on a CPC model. So, you only pay on a surfers action.

I hope that clears the air. If not, BRING IT ON 8)!!!

Poppy

What Poppy said!!:)

Your site says $2,500 minimum ?
So if I want a campaign, any type of campaign,
do I have to put $2,500 up front ?

Ok, let's say I'm broke, and offered you $100.
What would I get for that ?

adultporno- "The $2,500 minimum test is not set in stone." If you only have a $100 budget for advertising, then you should not be putting that $$$ towards advertising, but rather towards making your site better.

Poppy,

Since you have targeted marketing,
would it not be better to spend money with you
irrespective of what the site looks like ?

Are you suggesting no one spends money with you until
they have spent a fortune designing their site ?

So what will you give me for $100 ?

I have several sites, to promote....
so lets say I want to promote 10 sites at $100 each,
what would I get for each $100 spent ?

Here it comes............

Almost got it..............

Boom!!!!!
http://www.modernsurf.com/spam/spamanm.gif

If you wanted to promote 10 sites I would recomend that you spend $1000 on the first site and then take the money you made from promoting the first site and then move to the 2nd site and then take the money you made there and move on to the 3rd site and so on and so on.

$100 isn't going to get you much.

naughtymail.com are double opt-in lists and cost more than bulk mailings or single opt-in mailers.

Are you serious about trying it? or are you playing devils advocate?

I'm just trying to find out what I get for $100.

What's the best return for my money ?

:eek7

Personally I'd suggest you take the money and buy a clue.

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KimmyKim... Marry me!

As good as you looked in Phoenix, it ain't outta the question ;)

EXCELLENT!

:smokin

How many times do I have to ask ?

What does one get for $100 ?

It's a simple question......

What's your point?
Just go for that $2500.
Join your own program..... work 7 hours for $390/hour and you already made that $2500 back!

The original post asked for advice from the
"expert webmasters"
that I wrongly thought used this board.

From the replies received, it's obvious,
no one has anything worthwhile to say,
unless it's childish....

I will probably get lots of abuse, and if so,
it proves my point !

Is there anyone here with any positive sugestions ?

I think you're way out of your league here guy.
What you're asking for is the equivalent of walking into a mercedes dealership and asking what you can get for $200/month.
After they're done laughing at you they might be nice enough to send you down the road to the used ford dealership, which, in a sense, is what these guys tried to do for you.

Mailers (the legal, legit, double opt in kind) cost a FUCK of a lot of money, because the traffic you get from one is worth a FUCK OF A LOT of money.
Double opt in email traffic converts and retains BETTER than search engine or avs traffic, and its priced accordingly. Why do you think there's a dozen companies out there willing to pay $1 per confirmed email address?

If all your ad budget allows you is $1K to spend you'd be better off buying some highly targeted search terms from PPC SE's and reinvesting the profits until you have enough $$ to play this game.

Was that positive enough?

Have u ever try GPTRE company?
Direct Email Advertising from just $40 per 1000 E-Mails sent!

In regard of $100:
"$100 will buy you one campaign for one month (or free with a $100 purchase of an email campaign) This includes unlimited traffic and any targeting criteria. Minimum guarantee - 100,000 impressions. You can select age, occupation, income, state, country, website category, or url to target."

Now, how about that?? :Graucho

Lenny2 + money4all,

Thanks !
I was just about to give up on this board.
Some serious + possitive comments at last !

It's all I ever wanted.

P.S. I'm not saying I only have $100 to spend....
what I was trying to ascertain, is what I would
get per $100 spend....as a benchmark..

I don't mind spending $1,000 for the right results.

So you get 2500 emails sent out for $100?

That's not quite enough to recover the cost of the mailing, but it is enough to get terminated from your sponsors when you get spam complaints...

You get what you pay for...

dude...how in the FUCK are you asking what you can get for a petty $100?! opt-ins are targetted and will deliver precise results...you can get 100 emails for $100 LOL...go buy 100 big game tickets and shut the fuck up

adultporno......Your an idiot. Take your meaningless 100 bucks and get lost. Your post is stupid and pointless. For 100 bucks your not gonna get anything measurable, take the money and go buy a cheap hooker, at least when you catch some disease you will know what you got, (for a long time), so you dont have to ask again.....:1orglaugh

I see the children are back posting again....


I did not say, I only had $100 to spend....
it was only a benchmark figure

bump:)

I see they are. ;)

A benchmark figure that was based on what????

What did you expect to get for $100?

for $100 you're probably not gonna get very many opt-in emails...
i do know where u can get a shitload of harvested emails for $100 though... :winkwink:
icq me if u are interested in that. 138286046

First, I think they have some kind of package and that's not how to calculate! Heyy... I don't own the GPTRE site :)
Second, that's ABSOLUTELY not spam! Because all person who gave their email address already realize that they will be sent some emails.

I'm sure that you already know what GPTRE is.

What's GPTRE ?

who cares :2 cents:

I know it's been said but the whole thing's so fucking stupid it's worth asking again. $100 was a benchmark for what?? Bottom line is you can't get GOOD e-mail advertising for $100. It is no benchmark because it's too stupid to be. It seems you have trouble with the whole concept of analogys but we'll try again shall we....

You go into a liquor store with 1c and ask the guy how much beer you can have for 1c. The guy says nothing because beer starts at $1, so you say you don't want a $1 worth just 1c worth. The guy turns round and tells you to stop being an idiot you can only have a tin at $1....

You see the point? The $100 thing was stupid because it was far too low. Somebody who probably sends out several 100,000 targetted mails that people have asked for (which doesn't seem the case with GPTRE) are not gonna fuck around redesigning the whole page just to send a couple of hundred for you to try.

Ill blow you for $100.00


Chris

What I was trying to do, is be helpful to the
people who post here by simply establishing
what you would get for "EVERY" $100 spent..

Let's say you get 5 "xyz's" for $100..
then if i had $5,000 to spend, I would get
250 "xyz's" for my money.

It's like the old profit times turnover game....

Mike makes 50% profit on everything he sells
Harry makes 40% profit on everything he sells

Who makes the most money ?

I'ts impossible to tell, without further info.

It's all about VOLUME TURNOVER !

The point being, is that if the Company's who
provide services like target mailings etc,
REDUCED there "intro" level, then many more people
could afford it, and they would sell more,
and make more profit.

Personally, I would rather sell 30,000 at 40% profit,
rather than 20,000 at 50% profit

Hey... If anyone in the world could give you a solid and profitable ROI with every program, then none of us would ever work... We would max out credit cards - invest the 10k and get our "guarantee"... You have to take a little risk to get some reward. Spend a grand and then calculate your ROI... If it is worth it, do it again... and continue...

Damn - If I knew for fact that i got 5 widgets for every $100 spent and i made $30 per widget... You better bet your fucking ass I would dump 50k into it tomorrow!

Stop your $100 bench mark plee and get to work! All this time on this board you could have made at least a grand with your $390/hour program you are promoting in your signature!

People who have sites that convert at a rate that makes it worthwhile. It's the ratios that matter, not the minumum order price. If the NaughtyMail people weren't so disorganised, I would use their list regularly.

Well, this isn't even right, unfortunately.

If I get 5 xyz's for $100 bucks, I would expect that if I spent $5,000 I would get at least 7.5 xyz's per 100 spent as my total dollars outputted rose.

Instead of trying to establish benchmarks, I'd suggest that you go build some sites :)