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seeric

05-09-2006 07:23 AM

More .XXX News......yeah, we're all tired of it but........

TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

it is very very important that people know how important it is to let ICANN know that we are not at all interested in this conspiracy to line pockets of the people that devised .XXX. the list goes deeper than you'd think on who wants this to happen to grab that quick buck at your expense and the expense of your business that you've worked so hard for. they are also counting on leveling the playing field and binging on your marketshare that will become available.

there are people that you do business with that are stabbing us all in the back for the almighty dollar, and you don't even know who they are. they are sitting back and watching us do what we've always done, look the other way and hope that it doesn't happen. someday, one of these things are going to happen and many many of you will go bye bye.

without us telling ICANN that we don't want this, it could easily happen.

take 5 minutes right now and email [email protected]

and then confirm your post by clicking their automatic email that goes to the address you sent the email from.

if you are not that educated on .XXX go here and learn a little about it.

http://www.fightthedotxxx.com/
http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/xinfo.htm

here are some links with some background info ^ , if you're too lazy to read it then just write "The adult industry opposes the .xxx idea, it will serve no purpose, please vote it down" or sth like that.

thank you

airek

*if you're jsut a troll or sigwhore and tired of seeing us talk about this, keep your comments to yourself, we may actually be saving the livelyhood that even allows you to exist here.

Tom_PM

05-09-2006 07:31 AM

Just do it.

mattz

05-09-2006 07:34 AM

bump for yeah

seeric

05-09-2006 07:43 AM

yep, they are meeting about it again tomorrow, people better get on it and make it happen.

i'll laugh at people who don't fight if it goes through for lack of support on the opposition. watching people complain about something that they didn't oppose will be amusing.

pussyluver

05-09-2006 07:46 AM

Make it simple. Post a sample letter

seeric

05-09-2006 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pussyluver

Make it simple. Post a sample letter

simple letter repasted 100 times by 100 people looks like stuffing.

we dont want icann thinking we are stuffing their forum with fake posts.

bottom line is send an email saying that you oppose .xxx and that it will not make the internet any safer from children accessing porn and all the other things that the media beats us up for.

.xxx won't stop sexual predators

.xxx wont stop CP

.xxx will only line the pockets of people who are attempting to take advantage of the state of an industry and an Internet.

:)

*anything along those lines is great :thumbsup

seeric

05-09-2006 07:55 AM

should anyone be really lazy, copy and past this and email it

Quote:

As a member of the adult Internet industry, I am writing to express my opposition to the creation of a .XXX top-level domain (TLD), and to urge ICANN to take advantage of the opportunity presented by the Commerce Department and rescind its earlier decision to approve ICM Registryhahaha8217;s application to establish and run the above-mentioned TLD.

I believe that there is no compelling reason to establish such a TLD other than to make a few people wealthy at the expense of many, and that any benefits that may accrue to webmasters who purchase .XXX domains will be far outweighed by the likelihood that governmental and non-governmental entities, both domestic and foreign, will impose unacceptable restrictions on lawful constitutional speech. As a responsible member of the adult entertainment community, I am also very concerned that I will not have a sufficient enough voice on the IFFOR Board of Directors, which will be setting all policies for the TLD, and that these policies will be established and enforced by people who may not have the best interests of this industry at heart, and may in fact be personally hostile to it.

I believe that there is a far superior solution to the problem of making material unsuited to viewing by minors unavailable to them. Rather than herding protected speech into a 'virtual ghetto', a content-positive .KIDS TLD should be created where children can find child-friendly websites, making it far easier for parents to filter .KIDS in than it will be for them to filter adult content out. In this scenario, there is no risk of censorship, and minors will have a safe place of their own in which to experience the gifts of the Internet.

Again, I respectfully request that you take this opportunity to let this application lapse without any further action.

seeric

05-09-2006 08:00 AM

here is a great example of why to oppose .XXX

Opposed to .XXX

* To: xxx-tld-agreement@xxxxxxxxx
* Subject: Opposed to .XXX
* From: Roy Huggins ICANN Communications <icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
* Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:00:42 -0700

While the .xxx TLD may appear useful on the surface, the implementation of it will cause widespread damage. It has already been expressed by US government officials that the existence of a .xxx TLD would be utilized in order to force adult websites that operate in the US to do so solely under a .xxx domain.

The least of the damage to be caused is the loss of marks long-held by webmasters previously operating under other TLDs. Thousands of webmasters have worked for years on .com, .net, etc and will lose huge portions of that work if forced into a .xxx ghetto. The suggestion that they can simply redirect their traffic to the new .xxx is naive and foolish and could only come from someone who is unfamiliar with website development and promotion. For instance, search engines do not regard redirects as legitimate for backward linking purposes. Millions of dollars could be lost on damaged search engine placement alone.

In addition, what guarantee will any adult webmaster have that they will be able to get the .xxx equivalent of their current domain? The forced switch to .xxx will promote domain squatting and the crippling extortion that goes with it. We saw this in the mid-90s and we can easily see it again. There are currently many more TLDs than just .com. This means that a forced switch to .xxx will ensure that many webmasters will be edged out of their long-held and hard-fought marks as they scramble to get whatever .xxx domain most resembles their original business name.

Besides the concern that ghetto-izing legislation would follow the .xxx TLD's approval, it should be sufficient to simply note that the institution of .xxx will in no way assist in hiding pornography from the eyes of minors. The majority of pornographic websites are not American and would not have to abide by .xxx even if said legislation did come to pass. The only pornography that would be filtered by .xxx alone would be that created in the US. A simple Google search followed by a lot of GeoIP checking will tell you that most of the Internet's pornographic content is not in the US and its owners would have no incentive to move it to a .xxx domain. Ipso facto, the institution of .xxx will provide no help in preventing minors from viewing pornography on the Internet. This logic is simple and factual, and should be convincing for anyone who is truly interested in helping parents keep their children away from pornography. The majority of the adult industry is interested in keeping children away from their content, and that is why they use tagging systems like ICRA and support such services as NetNanny, etc. This is because webmasters understand that self-labeling, and the active participation of parents in their children's lives, are the only truly effective method of preventing minors from viewing pornography on the Internet.

I urge ICANN to reject the .xxx TLD proposal. It is nothing more than an effort to make an extra buck and push a moral agenda at the expense of a socially marginalized industry. The damage it will cause will be widespread and only the powerful and wealthy will benefit.

-Roy Huggins
Professional Web Developer and Concerned Netizen

Tom_PM

05-09-2006 08:15 AM

Good letter, hits on most of the key points.

Manowar

05-09-2006 08:19 AM

bump for this

davecummings

05-09-2006 08:21 AM

Thanks for being one of the key guys motivating us to email!

[email protected]

Dave

seeric

05-09-2006 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davecummings

Thanks for being one of the key guys motivating us to email!

[email protected]

Dave

my pleasure. its important. mike hawk was the key to really getting me motivated.

sfera

05-09-2006 09:12 AM

bump for this, email sent

polish_aristocrat

05-09-2006 09:20 AM

498 posts now

will be about 600 tommorow i guess

pussyluver

05-09-2006 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

Concept is the easier you make it, the more people will take action. It is amazing the number of people that sign petitions just because some fool was there with pen in hand and said sign here.

Hope is that webmasters would be smart enough to reword a letter to make it more their own. There are tons of examples now posted on GFY.

If you have writers block, read a few and get something in.

uncjordan

05-09-2006 09:36 AM

bump for important shit

nofx	05-09-2006 10:02 AM

i just emailed them again

bump

seeric

05-09-2006 10:15 AM

i am having my family members send in opposition. i told them i am moving home if it passes. i bet everyone of em is sending in posts to oppose jsut so they don't have me at home.

:1orglaugh

pornpf69

05-09-2006 10:21 AM

maybe this should be sticky.....

polish_aristocrat

05-09-2006 11:16 AM

Yes To .xxx

this message is at the top right now :(

Quote:

To the Icann Board,

I am amazed at the spam like quality of the emails coming to this list.
There appears to be a rabid fear that .XXX will work, why else would there be such opposition? Nearly all of the emails try to associate .xxx and censorship. If the Governments had the ability to legally shut down all of the porn sites wouldn't they just search for them in the popular search engines? Pornographers depend upon people finding their sites to generate revenue, just like any other business. If customers can find them, so can the law.

I also believe that pornographers have an agenda of trying to recruit new customers. To do this pornographers do want to hide. They don't want to be associated with a label such as .XXX. Instead they choose to hide behind innocent looking domains.

Searching on google I found these URL'S. (I don't suggest pulling them up.
Some of these sites offer malicious viruses to infect your computer.)

www.families-project.com/pornography.htm
www.fire-flies.net/butts.htm
www.christmasinapril.org/redhead.html
www.brigham-city.org/stories.html
www.hyperwheels.com/rape.html

If these domains are desirable to hide behind could you imagine the attraction to a .KIDS?

Why .KIDS will NOT work:

The adult webmasters claim that .KIDS is the way to solve "THEIR" problem.
They continue to skirt the issue. They are the ones who are creating content objectionable to many. They are the ones that should bear the costs of labeling. I feel unsympathetic to their financial risk while they are
TOTALLY unsympathetic to my desire in protecting those who would choose not to view their pornographic content.

Let's say that .KIDS is created. A single negative incident where pornography or other objectionable material is found would taint the entire domain space of .KIDS. Looking at .XXX very few people would find anything other than what it represents, they would never assume it free of pornography. Any single incident in .KIDS would create a string of lawsuits that would never end. The operators of .KIDS would take a huge risk if they ever claimed perfect safety.

.KIDS is NOT the answer.

Why .XXX will work:

Every where in life we see businesses take responsibility for their products. In the cases where it's tried, it typically works. For some reason pornographers believe that they are the exception. They say that .XXX will not work, I disagree. I think they know it will allow people a choice. I believe that is why they want to avoid the creation of .XXX.
It's not about freedom of speech; it's about the potential it has to limit the number of eyeballs viewing their content. Content which THEY make billions of dollars selling. Content that many do NOT want to view.

By labeling sites with the .XXX extension consumers could make the choice to visit the site, or not. .XXX is about choice, not censorship. It is silly and naive to assume that all ISP's would wholesale filter .XXX. Just like they, many ISP's welcome the traffic and money created by those accessing pornography. As long as pornographers are able to find facilities to locate their servers, consumers will also be afforded the same luxury to access the pornographer's content.

Many of the letters to this list are correct in that not every Webmaster will move or offer content in .XXX. Pornography will be available in other TLD's. Is that alone reason enough not to try and see what affect .XXX will have? I think not. The Internet has always been, and will continue to be an experiment. Many ideas have been tried, some of those fail and some succeed. It's hard to determine the success of something with out giving it a try. I think it's worth the effort if .XXX is only 25% effective. After this we can look for the solution to the other 75%. I believe trigger locks for guns are 100% effective when used. It's unfortunate that their use is not universal. .XXX will work somewhat in the same manner. When sites are properly labeled the content will be known. Consumers can choose. Labeling is fair and the right thing to do.

Cheers,

Rick Stevens
Boston, MA

tony286

05-09-2006 11:18 AM

I think every time a big fish starts a new thread someone should post in that thread did you write icann yet

polish_aristocrat

05-09-2006 11:19 AM

someone should reply to that guy

polish_aristocrat

05-09-2006 11:21 AM

it would be ironic if the public comments section got closed with such a stupid pro .xxx post at the top

seeric

05-09-2006 11:27 AM

i wouldn't get too worked up over that post at the top. icann arent a bunch of sigwhores and trolls. they can see that there is great distaste for this new TLD.

that one post is not the silver dagger.

pussyluver

05-09-2006 12:17 PM

I just sent my email in opposition!

Tom_PM

05-09-2006 12:27 PM

That guy conveniently avoids the simple fact that if porn was on .xxx, all a child has to do is type <anyword>.xxx and see porn.

He also neglects to mention (because it's virtually ever stated in any public forum) that people in the real adult industry (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that this is what he means when he labels "pornographers") are THE MOST EFFECTIVE deterent to illegal ch*** p*** there has been, or will ever be!

Some people come off as well intentioned, but by being outside the industry, they just dont get it.

And as an afterthought, what does he mean do you think by "even if it's only 25% effective"? lmao Only 25% MORE porn sites will be available to human eyeballs? hmmm I'm guessing 99.9% effective in that regard.

Not a single person is going to voluntarily delete their .coms in favor of a .xxx. It takes years to gain SE positions and such, WITH warnings and notes to parents on how to block their own site plastered all over their index! Doh.

Tom_PM

05-09-2006 12:30 PM

One more thing. What kind of sick twisted retard would put adult material on a .KIDS domain!?? Do kids have good credit and valid credit cards over 18+? WTF. Any one of us would string such a scumbag up by their balls so fast and so high, they'd never reach the ground again.

IMHO anyway. Carry on.

pussyluver

05-09-2006 12:32 PM

In reviewing the letters posted at ICAAN, we're hurting! Not not nearly enough response and there are too many that just say "I oppose the.xxx tld".

A few words on why would seem to attract more influence.

There is a delay in the listing too.

A rash of opposition letters evenat the last minute would help.

pussyluver

05-09-2006 12:34 PM

Read the letters here: http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-tld-agreement/

emailed about 20 minutes ago and not listed.

xxxjay

05-09-2006 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

From me:

iCann,

As a proud parent, I oppose .xxx ? I don?t want to make it any easier to find porn that it already is, plus I don?t want to legitimize these damn pornographers by giving them their own private neighborhood.

Strike it down.

Jason

pussyluver

05-09-2006 12:50 PM

Latest stats to ICANN on .XXX - Mails in Archive: 517

More emails needed. Seem to have plenty of posts.

EZRhino

05-09-2006 12:52 PM

Bump .......
Email sent!!!!!!!!!!!!

2HousePlague

05-09-2006 12:52 PM

Letters are great, but do your traffic magic as well. Y'all got blogs? Blog yer letters. Make some quick and dirty pages. Do all the usual shit you do when you're trying to get traffic. What we want is for OUR opinion to dominate the SERPS whenever anybody types "DOTXXX" or "ICANN". C'mon work yer magic, adult webmasters. So fucking what icann.org is a PR8. We can own them with volume and balls. Do it!

2hp

seeric

05-09-2006 01:00 PM

i definitely wouldn't be discouraged. icann is not a bunch of idiots, they can see that this is a gorup of conspirators trying to make a quick buck, they jsut need to to hear also that we don't want it.

keep sending in your letters.

2HousePlague

05-09-2006 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

i definitely wouldn't be discouraged. icann is not a bunch of idiots, they can see that this is a gorup of conspirators trying to make a quick buck, they jsut need to to hear also that we don't want it.

keep sending in your letters.

Correction: A group of UBER-WEB-talented conspirators, who can run rings around them traffic-wise. This is our moment to show that we care about IDEAS, too... and not just the opportune buck. Dominant opinion will rule. Now consider where and how opinion is acquiring its biggest TEETH. Let yer webmaster imaginations run wild -- :winkwink:

2hp

davecummings

05-09-2006 01:42 PM

That pro-xxx guy who posted from Boston has no clue about reality:-((

Dave

seeric

05-09-2006 01:43 PM

W3

R

7337

selena

05-09-2006 01:52 PM

I just posted on my blog, and asked my readers to write in about it.

I don't have tons of traffic, but it can't hurt. :)

seeric

01-25-2007 05:38 PM

old thread bump. same principles and assets are at play and stake.

polish_aristocrat

01-25-2007 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 9862155)

[SIZE="6"]take 5 minutes right now and email [email protected]