Potential Fix for AdWords Keyword Pricing
 

how much would you guys pay for a script that cloaked your landing pages for the landing page quality bot.. so you'd get cheaper minimum bids?

(i have already coded it, and have been using successfully this system for a few months.. at the nudging of my awesome adwords rep, she shared some info)

I spend several thousand per day on AdWords campaigns, so I am continually updating this system to work better and better, and maneuvering Google's ever-changing algorithms.

If we can figure out a way to make it worth my time, I'll make this system something that I can sell/distribute.

It's complicated, so whatever the pricing would be, it would come with a 1-year support contract.. including any/all updates I make to it.

I'm open to monthly fees or a one-off. The product would be ioncube encoded like all my others.

Nice job. Glad to see you've figured this out -- it's been an "underground" trick for some time now.

And if you get banned, just make another account -- it's not like it's AdSense -- you're paying THEM.

I wouldn't suggest selling that if you want to keep making money. If it becomes widespread, you might end up loosing your several thousands a day .

Dre, its undetectable..

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Several thousand per day on adwords??

How do you fund your account :helpme

well there are risks to doing such a thing.

Cloaking scripts are simple to write, I doubt selling it would really be worthwhile.

fiffy cent for it

some people get net terms.. i just use an amex

edit: its spread across 12 accounts..

what risks? its undetectable, but assuming adwords somehow got wind of it.. they don't turn away money.

Sure... they don't turn away money... But they will get pissed about you withholding their money from them by lowering the cost of the bids.

cloaking scripts aren't fool proof, what say I decide change the ip range to a new one and/or use a generic user_agent on the adwords bot.

The system is VERY shaky and subjective.. you can create an ad, get a $1 minimum.. delete and try again, get 20 cents.

They're not going to care, nor find it.

I'm not sure you understand how the landing page bot works..

It only hits your page once, when it's created, to evaluate it.

And assuming an AdWords rep goes to the page, or someone else at Google.. they have no idea what the bot "saw" while it was there.

They don't have access to it.

^^ straight from AdWords reps

Also, the landing page bot is simply Googlebot.

Google has combined all of their bots into the new Googlebot, and it ALWAYS requests robots.txt.

WTF is up with Adwords lately. I'm getting a lot of words that are not being shown because they want me to up my bids to over 40 cents a click. WTF? Hell one they wanted $5. Some of these words are getting voer 10% click thru. Um WHY would I need to up a bid that is getting 10% click thru? That is GOOD. Hell anything over 5% is good and should not be required to have to increase their bid just to be listed. Google has to understand that people are using their service TO MAKE MONEY. Keep price gouging and see people like me go to the "other guy"

Problem is there is no other guy.

No one running a real business will throw away 60% of the market because they're pissy about Google.

Hence my releasing this script, get your old minimum bids back.

Also, conveniently google has royally fucked their organic SERPs in the last 2 months with all kinds of random updates, bugs, etc.

Many of us saw *thousands* of pages falling out of the index, gone from the site:domain.com command.

These are on PR4,PR5,PR6 domains.

So it would seem their strategy is to destroy our organic sales, and charge us more for sponsored. :thumbsup :mad:

point taken. :)

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I think most of the people that understand the value in this script have probably already developed their own.

A few people have icq'd me with the sentiment that they'd rather I didn't release this, because it gives such an advantage.

Yahoo. Ever hear of them?

If the bids they require me to have are going to cause me to LOSE money it doesn't matter if they are 99% of the market. It's not worth using them.

I really rather conduct my business HONESTLY. All I'm asking is for Google stop doing bullshit things.

There's nothing dishonest about doing this.

Do you think SEO is dishonest too - since you're optimizing your site to get Google to rank you higher?

It's not like I found some backdoor to steal clicks.. this is quite different.

No reason to get all hostile.

Yahoo's system is severely more broken than this one, and I sincerely doubt you'll get half of your ads running on Google that you're running on Yahoo. They have a serious disdain for the adult market.

Properly executed you can make anything profitable on AdWords.

But they can see your bids, and find it weird your biddings are so low and ban your account for that reason. It has happened to multiple advertisers I know

I don't want my account banned from the adwords system, or even take that risk

There is nothing weird about low cpc's.. several of us on gfy are getting clicks at 1-2 cents, and have been doing so for a year

everyone who icq'd me, i've put you on a list.. i'll get in touch around the end of the week.

i'm off for a few hours, leave me a message on icq if you want added to the "interested" list. :thumbsup

Good marketing thread for your script. Why not post the script free on every board you can find to make a real dent?

Now there's a thought. :winkwink:

:1orglaugh

I'm only going to sell it to about 20 people, and 14 have already said they'll purchase when it is released.

Thanks, though.

If anyone else is interested, let me know. In order to protect the investment of the people who use this system, I will *not* sell it to anyone else once we close this round of purchasing.

I will, however, try to help everyone I can by answering any AdWords questions in this thread. Please try to google your questions before asking them, so these aren't questions covered by the FAQ or one of the thousands of blogs. :thumbsup

I simply called them and after she reviewed my ads, my keywords and landing pages, she stated that my keywords were extremely relevant, my ads were accurate and certainly compliant, and my landing pages had nothing wrong with them that she could see.
So a quality review person will check them over and get back to me. Hopefully with everything back to "normal".

Based on what I've seen around, it seems to have been a sledgehammer that tagged a ton of extra people. So I'd call or write them first, and simply layout your argument that you have relevant keyword, relevant ads to keywords, and relevant landing pages. A clear honest line from google to your page. And ask them to hand review please.

From what I'm hearing, the reps can only encourage a re-review by the automated landing page bot.. they don't have an override. Please keep me updated on that situation, I'm interested.

I've spoken to half a dozen or so people who've called yesterday and today and are waiting outcome of hand review by the quality control team. Most havent touched anything at all, just the phone :)

I tinkered with 1 ad that was overdue for a good tinker, lol. So I let her know that I didnt care if that one had to wait to be re-approved or whatever, but please have them hand check it for quality, relevancy etc. and let me know the outcome.

But other wise they can flag them manually. I've had it done once before because of a different reason.

I guess you missed the big shakeup where they disabled tons of ads over the past few days :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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hmm.. thanks for reading the thread! :thumbsup

np.. seriously though, good luck with this. Adwords hit me real hard yesterday, killed my 3 best campaigns, so I hope you really do have a great system in place to 'beat' the system. I lost all respect for that company, mainly considering what they've done is completely arbitrary. It's not like they had a consistent pattern, or only removed the real junk sites. They removed random sites whether they were relevant or not for whatever reason and then just used the 'quality score' thing as an excuse.

well there were other updates back in april that did similar things to many people, which is what prompted this development.

i recovered my pre-april-sweep bids and did not have ANY impact from this weeks sweep.. so i'd say its working. :thumbsup

Yea, that one just hit one of my campaigns, I was able to get around that easy enough, so i'm hoping I can do the same this time. It's just a hassle, and it opens my eyes to realize how badly G$ sucks, so i'll look for other places to make money and ease my dependency on that shitty company.

My problem is with the way they approached this. Like many others on the board I am one of their premium advertisers, spending over 2k a day on advertising. And then suddenly you find out that they have killed all your campaigns.

I really feel that the account reps should have talked to premium advertisers first, and help them optimize everything before releasing the Landing Page bot to go out and kill everything. Now everybody is cleaning up their shit, I spend 40k trying to fix everything and they are missing millions of dollars in revenue. I think their shareholders are not aware of this

Same problem here... As a premium member I'm on the phone every half hour today and I think I'm getting some progress here... I too noticed that they have "in-activated" keywords of random sites.

I have good reason to believe that the "problems" will be solved soon, so definitely no cloaking of landingpages for me!!
Anyway, Thanks for the offer... :pimp

What is your reason to believe that the problem will be solved soon if I may ask :)

any news?

i will post the finalized pricing tonight in this thread.. i will speak with the people who want to move forward via icq.

pricing will be $1500 for 1 year of updates, and 1on1 personal support.

product will be delivered within by friday to everyone who has payments cleared by then. i will accept a maximum of 20 purchases.

to date, 22 people have said they would purchase when i made this post.

however, in keeping my word and protecting the value of your software license, it will be first come, first serve for the 20.

contact me on icq to arrange payment details. i will not be accepting epass, or paypal.

to answer some questions by icq:

1) im not accepting monthly payments a few reasons:

A) in the interest of protecting your privacy. the only reasonable way for me to enforce monthly payments is to have it connect back to my servers, and i absolutely despise products that do this - so, i wont sell one.

B) it would be more work to build in expirations and such, and i'd have to charge more.. the general consensus was people would rather pay less, but have their money go towards the development of the product, not copy protection.

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2) your product will not expire after one year, that is just the time i'm guaranteeing that i'll offer support+updates for. i may do it longer, but i guarantee that i'll offer one year's worth.

3) if google by and large changes how they evaluate pages' quality score, i will morph this tool into something to optimize for that new process. updates are not just minor improvements, i will be providing a tool that enables you to deliver optimized pages for their current-at-the-time algorithms. i will continue to morph with this for at least one year (see question 2).

what's the purpose of cloaking a landing page here? Isn't it possible to deliver the same data to googlebot without having to alter the look of your initial page?

Ill bite
what are your guarantees on this ?
do you guarantee 2c a click on every word ?

if i could guarantee 2c a click, this would be worth $300k+ :winkwink: