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wedouglas 08-11-2006 02:15 PM
Do you have to be rich to live anywhere nice in non-eastern Europe?
 
People who live in Europe, where do most people live?

I'm looking at places in southern france and italy, and I cannot find any nice places under 500K Euros. What's the deal?

Do people make that much for in Europe or do most people live in shitty apartments/shitty locations?

scottybuzz 08-11-2006 02:53 PM
well with any rich place, there will be poor people. period. the street workers dont commute to work, likewise the shop workers, work your way down the scale. You wont find any seriously fuckig nice place like u would find in america for 500,000k in southern france but you could find yourself a place not too shabby - goodluck

Mr C UK 08-11-2006 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wedouglas
People who live in Europe, where do most people live?

I'm looking at places in southern france and italy, and I cannot find any nice places under 500K Euros. What's the deal?

Do people make that much for in Europe or do most people live in shitty apartments/shitty locations?
I have lived in UK, USA and Spain and it appears that on the whole that western Europeans earn less than USA and get screwed more for property than anywhere else!

My opinions aren't usually as strong on this issue but after reading a property website today and seeing what house I could get in FL or Eastern Europe for the same price as my apartment in UK, I am like :( :( :( :(

And we get taxed too high, and the weather is unreliable, and , and and and...... :2 cents:

Damian_Maxcash 08-11-2006 04:59 PM
Spain would be your best bet if you stay away from the Costas

Pornwolf 08-11-2006 05:12 PM
Everything over there is too expensive for me with this terrible exchange rate. Damn you George Bush! Damn youuuuuU!!!!

E$_manager 08-11-2006 06:02 PM
Don't you want to live in Check? It is nice and not expensive there.

slapass 08-11-2006 06:39 PM
I just looked into Portugal. Language thing but it was really cheap.

Edit - Italians seem really dull with the week I spent there.

Webby 08-11-2006 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by slapass
I just looked into Portugal. Language thing but it was really cheap.

Edit - Italians seem really dull with the week I spent there.
Northern Italy/Switzerland is a damned nice location slapass - but never checked the current costs of real estate stuff - it's likely to be a lot more than when I lived there.

PS And Portugal seems to keep having these forest fires and lack of water annually - pain in the ass.

wedouglas 08-11-2006 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Webby
Northern Italy/Switzerland is a damned nice location slapass - but never checked the current costs of real estate stuff - it's likely to be a lot more than when I lived there.

PS And Portugal seems to keep having these forest fires and lack of water annually - pain in the ass.
Switzerland was one of the most expensive places I've been.

Webby 08-11-2006 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by wedouglas
Switzerland was one of the most expensive places I've been.
I'd need to check, but chances are the "perception" has more to do with currency exchange wedouglas - ie.. for Euro people it may not sound so much.

As long as the dollars remains at a silly level it may be worth looking at countries where the US dollar is "accepted" as a common payment method - places like (often) the Caribbean or Latin America etc.

Literally a couple of years back you could buy complete estates for relatively little money in places like Panama and Costa Rica - tho these are generally shooting up at anything between 25% and 60% in the last few years and show little signs of slowing - but may give "better value" against the dollar.

wedouglas 08-11-2006 07:18 PM
Yeah, I am aware of the exchange rates killing my buying power, but I really have no desire to live in those places. I'm in love with Europe.

Also, I paid $25 for a pizza in Geneve. Luzerne was even more expensive. My $50 Adidas' were selling for well over $100

E$_manager 08-11-2006 07:38 PM
Spain is also a nice place to stay. Real Estate is expensive, but life costs normal money.

Webby 08-11-2006 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wedouglas
Also, I paid $25 for a pizza in Geneve. Luzerne was even more expensive. My $50 Adidas' were selling for well over $100
Mmmm.. sounds about right :winkwink:

Remember - cos it was sheer crap and foul stuff - paying the equivalent of $100 of four "take-away" Chinese meals there.

These prices sound like most of the EU - restaurant prices are silly in comparison to the US.

Webby 08-11-2006 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cristie
Spain is also a nice place to stay. Real Estate is expensive, but life costs normal money.
Agree Cristie - it's a good place for a net base/corp stuff as well, but for normal living - as you said - it's like the rest of the EU as far as costs of living go.

JFK 08-11-2006 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Webby
Mmmm.. sounds about right :winkwink:

Remember - cos it was sheer crap and foul stuff - paying the equivalent of $100 of four "take-away" Chinese meals there.

These prices sound like most of the EU - restaurant prices are silly in comparison to the US.
I find the European prices pretty high, like an 8 Euro small draft beer in Paris at a downscale sidewalk cafe:disgust

Webby 08-11-2006 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JFK
I find the European prices pretty high, like an 8 Euro small draft beer in Paris at a downscale sidewalk cafe:disgust
They are damned expensive when you consider it's just a glass filled with shit that costs nothing :winkwink: Suppose it's the overhead cost - but that sure is not 7 Euros.

That's the difference with the Euro side and the US/Canada/Latin America area - a decent beer in Costa Rica is 50 cents.

Project-Shadow 08-12-2006 07:30 AM
Oh the joys of overpriced beer. I paid hahaha163;3 for a pint of watered down Krononbourg yesterday :(

Damian_Maxcash 08-12-2006 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JFK
I find the European prices pretty high, like an 8 Euro small draft beer in Paris at a downscale sidewalk cafe:disgust
Paris is disgusting for overpricing. My favorite is when they charge you extra for drinking your coffee at an outside table.

Webby 08-12-2006 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by damian2001
Paris is disgusting for overpricing. My favorite is when they charge you extra for drinking your coffee at an outside table.
hehe.. reminds me why I left..

How much is a beer in a London pub these days damian?

gangbangjoe 08-12-2006 08:03 AM
you should have thought about leaving a few years earlier.


when the dollar owned the german mark :winkwink:

Damian_Maxcash 08-12-2006 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Webby
hehe.. reminds me why I left..

How much is a beer in a London pub these days damian?
In a standard central London pub about 3-4 pounds (about $5-7) for a pint of lager. If you know where to go then it can be cheaper.

For a good night out in a central London club then think about getting a mortgage.

I think most locals stay well clear of west end bars - perhaps a few times a year for a special night out - the clubs are always way better in the outer suburbs anyway.

Webby 08-12-2006 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by damian2001
In a standard central London pub about 3-4 pounds (about $5-7) for a pint of lager. If you know where to go then it can be cheaper.
Sheesh.. yea.. it's getting worse :disgust

Webby 08-12-2006 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by gangbangjoe
you should have thought about leaving a few years earlier.

when the dollar owned the german mark :winkwink:
It's even better now for GBP/Dollar values - One transfer a short while back gained just over $15K in "extra" dollar value - amazing stuff :)

Lykos 08-12-2006 10:11 AM
U have to be rich to live in east europe as well:)

polle54 08-12-2006 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by wedouglas
People who live in Europe, where do most people live?

I'm looking at places in southern france and italy, and I cannot find any nice places under 500K Euros. What's the deal?

Do people make that much for in Europe or do most people live in shitty apartments/shitty locations?

I live in Denmark in an apartment with a friend of mine, in the city.

65m2 -> price was 2.200.000DKK app. $366k USD.

thats pretty standard price here in Denmark for apartment in the city.
This is brand new so it's damn nice but expensive :(

polle54 08-12-2006 11:16 AM
but in Bulgarian it's much cheaper

the guy I share the apartment with has just bought a condue in bulgarian to around $100k with a view of the water and not long from sunny beach where the shit goes down in bulgarians

bizzking 08-12-2006 11:18 AM
ofcourse :)

fuzebox 08-12-2006 11:21 AM
Ok, people in this thread complaining about food prices in europe, how many of you were buying food/drinks at the Westin during Internext :winkwink: :winkwink:

Webby 08-12-2006 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by polle54
I live in Denmark in an apartment with a friend of mine, in the city.

65m2 -> price was 2.200.000DKK app. $366k USD.

thats pretty standard price here in Denmark for apartment in the city.
This is brand new so it's damn nice but expensive :(
To be honest that's not such a bad rental - actually sounds good polle - basically equivalent to a full home at $1500 ish. Thats much the same as average home rentals in Costa Rica.

Try the same property in the London area and it's miles higher. Just had a friend move out of .. prob about the same size property in Sloane Square and she was paying the equivalent of $2450.

wedouglas 08-12-2006 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzebox
Ok, people in this thread complaining about food prices in europe, how many of you were buying food/drinks at the Westin during Internext :winkwink: :winkwink:

Ha. On vacation maybe. I wouldn't be caught dead paying those prices on average haha.

polish_aristocrat 08-12-2006 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Webby
To be honest that's not such a bad rental - actually sounds good polle - basically equivalent to a full home at $1500 ish. Thats much the same as average home rentals in Costa Rica.

Try the same property in the London area and it's miles higher. Just had a friend move out of .. prob about the same size property in Sloane Square and she was paying the equivalent of $2450.
I think he means he lives ( probably owns ) in an apartment there, so nothing about renting here ( unless Im missing sth )

on another note, real estate prices in Poland went crazy in past 3 years

about 100% increase in past 3 years in the big cities and experts predict that they will increase for a good few years so the demand is very huge and the supply is small so it increases the prices even more

pornguy 08-12-2006 11:43 AM
I have heard that in Ukraine you can find some nice places on the outskirts of the major cities. But they may not have all the services that you are used to.

polish_aristocrat 08-12-2006 11:45 AM
wedouglas, now this is really not my problem and I shouldn't care, but weren't you considering buying a lambo recently or some better Porsche?

I guess if you have the money to blow on expensive toys, then you could also rent or buy some nice apartment / house in Europe

personally I've been thiinking recently about moving to Barcelona, I heard its a great city and im gonna visit it for like 2 weeks soon... then I will know more if I want to move there

but the rental prices are relativly cheap from what someone said a few days ago on GFY ( I would probably rent, buying woudn't be an option for a few reasons )

Klen 08-12-2006 11:51 AM
Prices are big everywhere,if you want live cheap then live in car hehe

fastfun 08-12-2006 11:56 AM
I would recommend Spain over most other European countries. Its cheaper and more laid back. Stay out of the major cities, real estate prices is a joke there

tony286 08-12-2006 11:59 AM
I heard that in europe they do 100 yr mortgages

Webby 08-12-2006 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
I think he means he lives ( probably owns ) in an apartment there, so nothing about renting here ( unless Im missing sth )
True - me assuming :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
on another note, real estate prices in Poland went crazy in past 3 years

about 100% increase in past 3 years in the big cities and experts predict that they will increase for a good few years so the demand is very huge and the supply is small so it increases the prices even more
That sounds kinda inevitable PA - Poland is going to end up on par with the neighboring countries. Sounds like a damned good investment time.

Not sure if you've seen it happen yet in Poland, but often there is lumps of foreign investment as part of the engine driving real estate upwards? Can think of the money being dumped into Croatia by "foreigners" for villas and homes.

Where I am now (Costa Rica), there is definately a desire by foreigners to purchase properties - values seem to be rising at around 30% - 60%/year depending if near coastlines/beaches etc. I'm stunned at the values of some properties we have here - they earn a few mill just on annual capital appreciation alone.

It's the old story - they don't make any more land :)

Webby 08-12-2006 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tony404
I heard that in europe they do 100 yr mortgages
The normal max is about 30 years Tony - but, with the affordabilty decreasing it don't sounds too long before 100 years is the norm :winkwink:

polish_aristocrat 08-12-2006 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Webby
True - me assuming :)



That sounds kinda inevitable PA - Poland is going to end up on par with the neighboring countries. Sounds like a damned good investment time.

Not sure if you've seen it happen yet in Poland, but often there is lumps of foreign investment as part of the engine driving real estate upwards? Can think of the money being dumped into Croatia by "foreigners" for villas and homes.

Where I am now (Costa Rica), there is definately a desire by foreigners to purchase properties - values seem to be rising at around 30% - 60%/year depending if near coastlines/beaches etc. I'm stunned at the values of some properties we have here - they earn a few mill just on annual capital appreciation alone.

It's the old story - they don't make any more land :)
investment time? well, perhaps... but the better investment time was 3 years ago

I personally don't see Poland becoming as wealthy as f.e Germany soon, so prices shouldn't increase so fast, but they actually reached Germany already or almost reached

but the polish cities, unfortunately also polish culture and mentality and many other factors ( politics, infrastructure also weather ) suck a little compared to Western Europe so that's why I don't see any real reasons for the prices to skyrocket so fast

but the supply is very small, 5 times less apartments are built each year than needed

foreign capital... well, to a certain degree yes, but its not done not on a massive scale as far as i know

wedouglas 08-12-2006 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
wedouglas, now this is really not my problem and I shouldn't care, but weren't you considering buying a lambo recently or some better Porsche?

I guess if you have the money to blow on expensive toys, then you could also rent or buy some nice apartment / house in Europe
Don't forget that a 100K car is like 1/7 as much as a nice, small place in a desirable area of Europe. Might not seem like it, buy 100K is nowhere near 700K. Especially considering what you get for 700K.

I also would never rent. I think it is a waste of money unless you have no choice.

Magix 08-12-2006 12:48 PM
go to baltic states...

teomaxxx 08-12-2006 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

I personally don't see Poland becoming as wealthy as f.e Germany soon, so prices shouldn't increase so fast, but they actually reached Germany already or almost reached
I read somewhere in newspapers that since Poland joined EU, around 2 milions of people left Poland for work in western Europe.
Is that true?
I am from Czech and only few tens of thousands people left this country for work in EU.

wodka wyborova :winkwink:

Kinky John 08-12-2006 01:36 PM
Amsterdam made me poor . . the cost of living is high

we all got fucked by the euro currency switch . . prices went up

but salaries stayed the same . . a Croatian dude i know says he could

live for a year on my base monthly . . i'm looking at Bulgaria now

Kevsh 08-12-2006 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by polle54
but in Bulgarian it's much cheaper

the guy I share the apartment with has just bought a condue in bulgarian to around $100k with a view of the water and not long from sunny beach where the shit goes down in bulgarians
When I was in Budapest I was just looking out of curiousity - and it's generally cheaper than other Euro cities but that will change soon. A few big developers have moved in to renovate old buildings in trendy areas to high-priced condos.

Plus, no secret stays that way for long.
:Oh crap

(And yes, I know Budapest is not in Bulgaria - I was drawing a comparison that there are "cheaper" cities in E.Europe!)

klinton 08-12-2006 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by teomaxxx
I read somewhere in newspapers that since Poland joined EU, around 2 milions of people left Poland for work in western Europe.
Is that true?


wodka wyborova :winkwink:
yes it's true :)
;]

Antonio 08-12-2006 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Kinky John
Amsterdam made me poor . . the cost of living is high

we all got fucked by the euro currency switch . . prices went up

but salaries stayed the same . . a Croatian dude i know says he could

live for a year on my base monthly . . i'm looking at Bulgaria now
well, I'm Bulgarian and my whole familly still lives there, my brother has almost finished paying off his appartmnet and not so long ago (a month or two) bought himself a nice house about 30kms from Sofia for 18 000 Euros

so yeah, Bulgarian property is still pretty cheap but the prices are going up and up and up - it happened in all the Eastern European countries that joined (or are about to join) the EU (see what polish said in his posts)

many Western Europeans are buyng properrty in Bulgaria, lets face it, if you retire with 1000 British pounds monthly pension you want really live large in London (if you can manage to live at all on that kind of money)


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