Paying surfers to sign up for sites
 

Check this shit out

http://biglbucks.com/bigl/

These guys tell surfers to sign up for ifriends and webcams.com then say they'll paypal them money for doing it.



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Titties Titties Titties

Boobs

lol ... they pay $4.99 he gets $45 for it.. sends them $20. Sounds pretty smart too me lol though alot of hassle

Smart till the sponsors find them and can their account and keep whatever they made, leaving them having paid out to the surfers lol.

LOL yeah seriously, not a good idea.

he moves on from sponser to sponser:

http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=281340

So far sponsors are dropping his accounts for fraud. Wait till Paypal catches on.

He even posts on gfy :winkwink:

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/692195-bucks-bribing-people-sign-paysites-attn-silvercash.html

Haw.

I've been seeing paid ad spots for his site on mainstream sites.

That person must be so desperate for sales

:Oh crap.

Clever idea.

But at the same time fucking stupid.

2c

what a douche bag

i'll take two bob

It's called giving a Rebate, and is common practice in mainstream, not sure why it wouldn't be allowed in Adult.

YES I love making more money!

Surfer signs up for $1 trial. "Webmaster" gets paid $30+ for the $1 trial. Surfer cancels before trial rebills. Affiliate program gets fucked.

Makes sense now?

He's not telling them to cancel, he's not instructing them how to cancel, he's just giving them an incentive to join.

You think people don't join trials and cancel all the time anyway?

I would be curious to see what his conversion rate form trial to full join is.

It is called Incentivized Traffic, It is huge in mainstream IE free ipods etc..

Every once in a while some one comes along and tries to do it to the adult market. Personally I have never accepted it in mainstream..

I guess it would be okay if the people signing up were actually looking for a program to signup to, but in this case they are all planning to just cancel during the trial without even giving the site a chance...

Are you kidding?

It totally undermines the PPS system, fraud plain and simple. People are signing up to rip off a piece of the sponsors cash, not because they're interested in the site. When a sponsor pays PPS they're investing in a targetted customer, how well do you think his accounts rebill?

This thread made me laugh. Some people just dont get it. This guy is a total newb and now he is probably like what the hell did I get myself into this time.

I see it more like...

A car salesman selling cars to his friends to collect commision, then having his friends return the cars for a refund, then splitting the commision.

is there a downside to his plan?

Buyer kickbacks from affiliates are not uncommon in mainstream.

I'd love to see the adult industry allow them. It would eliminate shaving if you had surfers coming to you for their free gift after they signed up.

Correct. He's only 18. I don't think he meant any harm. He most likely didn't know that rebates were not allowed in adult.

It's nothing at all like a rebate. A rebate is me buying a product for $100 and getting something like $20 or $30 back. Show me a mainstream rebate where I can spend $1 and get myself a check for $20.

The guy is stealing from the sponsor. If anyone can't see that, they're fucking stupid.

i see red flags everywhere!

haha, true... 10 years ago I started out by joining chat rooms and asking people to click on my pay per click banner *shudder*. I'm just amazed at all of the replies from people that see nothing wrong with it.

that guy is probably making bank....and he probably doesn't pay the surfers anything

Here is the email he sends out to surfers...

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Hello! You are recieving this email because you recently signed up to
complete an offer at BigLBucks.com, the site where you can earn easy
cash.

Your transaction id is 312. Please write this down, or keep this email
in your records.

Please do not immeadiately cancel your account!

You will recieve an email when you have been credited. It takes 1-5
days to recieve credit.

After you have recieved credit, you will recieve payment in 1-3 weeks.


If you have any problems, feel free to email us at
[email protected].

Thanks!
The BigLBucks Team
---------

I'd be interested in seeing what kind of advertising he does to get people to that page in the first place...

No I am not kidding I do it ALL the time in mainstream. If I have a product sale for a produt that is say $50.00, and that company is paying me 75% of the sale ($37.50), I can, and do, offer rebates up to $20 that I personally pay that person 90 days after the sale via PayPal.

I have been doing it for years, and I make a lot of money doing it. It's very common practice.

80% of the people don't even collect their rebates.

That´s fine but can´t be compared to pps. Using it for revshare would be OK. Surfer buys a membership for $30.00, you get $15.00 and pay the surfer $5.00 back. No problem at all.

But for pps it´s simply stealing from the sponsor.

Wow.. now THAT is an idea.

well its pretty shady...I wonder how his conversions to full memberships is though? would be very interesting but this breaks the terms of every site I've seen for obvious reasons. Does he tell them to cancel trials?

exactly.

There's nothing at all wrong with that. You're giving a rebate. What this guy is doing is stealing from the sponsor program. You're cutting your own profit margin to give an incentive to the surfer to make a purchase. This guy is abusing the PPS system and the sponsor program is getting fucked.

If the guy was using it for Revshare purposes im sure the sponsors would have no issue at all. However the way he has it set up currently is leaning towards fraud.

Not leaning; it *IS* fraud.

I thought about doing that years ago, but most programs did not allow offering buyer incentives in the TOS.

Here's the banner ad that I've seen on mainstream sites

http://www.adultnuke.com/asswipe.gif

couldnt anybody say they signed up though. how on earth does he track his surfers? ahhh that gives me an idea ;)

This is theft and fraud when the surfer is cancelling (and being told to cancel by the affiliate who is being paid for the join). No defence for this sort of shitty practise.

The guy has the audacity to question Silvercash for this not being in the Terms! Fucking laughable.

This practise of *rewarding* surfers to join sites and then paying after they cancel has been around for a while. This practise was occuring some years ago with Clickcash/iFriends sites.

Instant account termination from the sponsor should take place.

Also the bulk of mainstream rebates are manufacturers rebates, so the money is coming from the manufacturer, not the store. :2 cents:

that idea could work, if he didnt pay anyone....and he went on revshare lol

The guy is posting on SomethingAwful's forums and telling people to cancel after they've signed up.


http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...stid=321109696

If the sponsors were really smart they would pay the guy a nominal amount and follow the cancelled check to see where the money went.

Then, sue the bastard!