Aaron Russo's Freedom to fascism - What the fuck?
 

Just watched this masterpiece, one of the most impressing movies about the federal reserver system in America and the (not so) hidden fascism of the rulers.

Here is the summary..

There is NO LAW that requires americans to pay income tax from labour, it has been settled in court many times but is kept from the public eye by the media.

A private bank called the federal reserve prints the dollar bills and lends to the american government. This was settled in 1913.

The money printed by the federal reserve has no gold backing it but is printed out of thin air, like monopoly money.

The federal reserve charges interest on the money they lend to the american government which they printed out of thin air.

The interest paid to the federal reserves private bankers are the income tax of the american people. This means that the money you pay in taxes for income from labour if you are american goes straight into the pockets of private bankers as interest on loans.

There is much much more, see the movie if this interests you. This is just the main plot.

Now my question is why the fuck are the american people submitting to this obvious tyranny? Where is the revolution?

Actually, the Supreme Court has ruled time and time again that you have to pay income tax. They are the ones that interpret the laws and make sure they are constitutional. That guy can say whatever he wants, but the courts over the centuries have said otherwise.

just saw V for Vendetta last night

I have no urge to worry about a country I dont live ins laws. Doesnt Sweederland have a huge suicide rate?

Me neither, except when other countries rulers are cold hearted dictators ruining everything for the rest of the world for their own personal gain.

Please dont just say things when you have no clue. The supreme court have ruled that americans do NOT have to pay income tax time and time again. The supreme court and the constitution says the income tax for labour is NOT consitutional. And if you read the constitution you see that so is the case..

Show me one case where they have said that. I will show you hundreds where they have said you do.

Okay, no problem.

In 1894, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that the income tax was unconstitutional because it was not apportioned among the states in conformity with the Constitution.

Now lets see those hundreds of cases that dont exist.

Learn your own fucking history, embarrasing that someone from across the atlantic must point it out to you.

Ficalora vs Commissioner
Sisk vs Commissioner
United States vs Sitka
United States vs Stahl
Brown vs Commissioner
Lysiak vs Commissioner
Miller vs United States
United States vs Benson
Ivey vs United States

Please show me what case you are talking about. Name the case please.

The 16th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified in 1913. It would override any previous decisions that were made by the courts. The 16th Amendment States:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

Those are not supreme court cases, you said hundreds?

Here is another one:

Damn beat me to it, but we all know that can't be true because the movie said different??? hahaha

Problem is that this was not passed by most states, they just kind of did it anyway.

That is a state income tax and has nothing to do with federal income tax.

Don't we get someone blabbing about this movie every few weeks......
As pocketkangaroo pointed out the 16 amendment gives the government the right to tax our income, end of story game over.

42 states ratified it. Two-thirds is all that was needed.

Alright, you keep living in ignorance, I dont care.

Those are all facts. I'm sorry that you have nothing to back up your argument. You can't provide any court cases after 1913, can't discredit the ratification process, can't really do much of anything to dispute it.

Take it as a lesson not to believe everything you see on YouTube.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...dom+to+fascism

Yes MR Kangoroo, now I understand why the fascist have gotten as far as they have in america, because of people like you. "Just because they say its so it must be so, lets watch tv!"

:1orglaugh You're the one living in ignorance, taking the word of some movie as fact, do your own research. Look at it this way, do you think in past 100 years the rich and powerful of America would paying income tax if they didn't have to?
Why are they paying high priced attorneys and accounts to find loopholes in the tax laws and set up tax shelters if the US government has no right to tax our income?
They have the means for the research and legal backing to fight it but they don't..... Hmmmmmmmmmm

My suggestion to you is to go read on how amendments are ratified and become law, go read law books not watch a biased movie with an agenda to meet.

Woodrow Wilson, The man who signed the federal reserve act said this:

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

I didn't say anything was true. The states, courts, and people did. Your argument is with them, not me. They put the Amendment in place, the states voted it in, and the courts upheld every attack on it. I am not arguing about income taxes, I'm just saying that his arguments about it not being constitutional are wrong.

I also don't see why you are so upset with our income tax. Our taxes make Sweden's look like small potatoes.

I am going to find cases and proof, give me some time and I will be back later to show you.

Im not saying we are good at anything, Sweden is a puppet of the US.

I no longer mind this idiot bad mouthing me. it can only make me look good in the eyes of intelligent people.:1orglaugh

If you find something, send it to every lawyer and accountant in the US. If there was really something out there that said we didn't have to pay taxes, don't you think someone would have figured it out by now?

why are you wasting your time kangdah? It's law here but if by chance a person filed suit against the US government/IRS and won establishing that they have no right to tax our income, how long do you think it would take the congress to re ratify the 16th amendment? A day 2 at the most, it would be quickest ratification in US history.

I do find it ironic that a Euro is complaining about US tax laws though, you guys believe in tax more then you do freedom of speech, I also wonder if you would even be making an issue of this if there had been a democrat in the whitehouse for the psat 7 years.

The first two sentences in that are made up. There is no documentation of him ever saying it. Just people on conspiracy websites using it.

The rest is from his book "The New Freedom". He also altered parts of that paragraph as well.

If you don't believe me, pick up the book and see for yourself.

People have figured it out and people have won cases but since the fourth branch of the government aka the media is ignoring this fact nobody knows and cares.

http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/theman.asp

His argument was addressed in United States v. Thomas. It lost.

Here is an idea. Go fix your site and let us worry about our own country.

Wrong the 4th branch of government here is $$$, and if there are cases won against the US government, lawyers would be all over it making fat cash off of people suing the US for refunds of monies paid.
But instead you use the words of some old man who has a website set up to sell you books as fact.

Precedent on this has already been set by the Supreme Court, you can bitch moan and cry all you want but if a US citizen refuses to pay income tax hes rolling the dice on whether or not he will prosecuted and serve jail time.

This is officially the stupidest thread I have ever seen. Are all people from Sweden this gullible?

how are you calling people ignorant? or telling people to start a revolution if you feel this way about YOUR country?

btw, what would sweden be a puppet for? To balance power in scandinavia?

do you KNOW the definition of ignorance?

R

well i dont have time to read all this thread

i just wanted to drop my reply in here saying that i need to see this movie

:)