ICM submits new documents in support of .XXX
 

ICANN just posted some new documents in support of the ICM application at:

http://www.icann.org/announcements/a...nt-13mar07.htm

They even quote GFY! [e.g., Annex 9]

Lots to read, so please post the juicy stuff.

he's really fishing now. must suck to be on the ropes and have nothing to grasp at. notice how out of the thousands of posts on gfy only the ones that are able to be SPUN are there. if i was ICANN i would strike down his application out of the sheer intention to make everyone involved more stupid by reading his derelict.

baboon.

Pages 22-24 of:

http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements...te-08mar07.pdf

quote from GFY, e.g. baddog, Brandon Shalton, Polish Aristocrat, Mike South, ....

I wonder why ICM doesn't participate much on GFY, given the role they wish to play in the adult industry??

Dr. Vinton Cerf
Members of the Board of Directors
ICANN
4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
Marina del Rey, California 90292-6601
RE: Sponsored Community Support - Industry Pre-reservation Service



"The Pre-Reservations Are Not Defensive
It appears that less than 0.1% of the pre-reservations were submitted by webmasters who have expressed opposition to .xxx.
The bottom line is that no sTLD applicant has demonstrated a comparable level of support prior to - or even during - launch. It is outrageous to suggest that ICM has failed to demonstrate the support of its sponsored community for .XXX."

Some photos copyright fubarwebmasters are in those documents, e.g. page 22 of:

http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements...-memo-post.pdf

I wonder if ICM and/or ICANN licensed the rights to those images??

Annex 10 (from 2004) shows Tom Hymes of AVN wanting to be considered for the non-profit board involved with .XXX:

http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements...ex10-hymes.pdf

It's my understanding AVN posted against it since then, though? See:

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg01594.html
http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg01600.html

After reviewing all of it, they still don't post the alleged list of 24 companies that are supposedly backing the proposal. They have redacted lists of "supporters", i.e. folks who pre-registered dot-xxx names or joined their mailing list.

Their position is to portray opponents of .xxx as a small but vocal minority.

man they are attacking hard , I hope icann can see thru their bullshit

wondered about that too


and on that note. . who be the big players who be having deals with ICM for the 'good' names ??


or ya think those deals dont exist? ! :warning :warning

fucking pigs...

ICANN had a board meeting yesterday (Tuesday March 13, 2007), to discuss .xxx and other topics. Keep an eye on:

http://www.icann.org/minutes/

as the minutes are supposed to be published within 5 business days. I would think, though, that they won't make any decision until at least the meeting later this month in Lisbon, Portugal, as the GAC (Governmental Advisory Committee) still hasn't fully weighed in. But, predicting what the Board will do is tricky, as they've done unpopular things without any shame (e.g. approving the 7% annual price increases in .com, despite overwhelming opposition).

wow, just got online, haven't had the time to read through this yet, but it looks like more bullshit from ICM's side than ever

wtffff, i read the quotes, all of them couldnt be further from the truth

the quotes in particular come from like 2 months ago, since then the opposition has definitely increased

seriousy, someone including probably me, needs to read all these documents to be able to provide a comprehensive reply to their claims

ICM Registry submitted letters of support with its application from members of the sponsored community, with combined points of presence in 35 countries, and representing a large portion of the adult industry and tens of thousands of webmasters.

wtf? do they really count all affiliates of the programs who supposedly decided to support .xxx few years ago, as .xxx supporters?

"in contrast, in the past three years, a few hundred webmasters opposed to .XXX have attempted to manipulate the public forums to overstate the size and significance of the industry opposition"

:eek7

Bullshit....


We will be in Phoenix when this vote goes down...

Last time i was in Toronto for that show, got shot down then...will get shot down again....

This time ....it will be stepped on like a bug..that wont die.

http://icann.org/tlds/agreements/xxx...-outsource.pdf

look at this? seriously, WTF? do they think I was being serious?

Someone from the adult community should sumbit the same kind of documentation to ICANN.

If the ICM think they can fool ICANN with their lies, they are wrong.

"icommie"

Ismellit

What's funny is that they do post a redacted list of domains that were pre-registered, showing only the first 3 letters, see:

http://www.icann.org/correspondence/...ation-aatt.pdf

The file is searchable.

For example, a 5 letter domain beginning with "yah" is pre-registered. Can it be.....Yahoo? (more than 10 other matches exist for yah**** names, if one does a "next" in one's search).

There is a 6 letter domain beginning with "goo" -- Google?

There's a 3 letter domain beginning with "msn" -- uh oh, no guessing needed on that one. :) A 3-letter domain beginning with "aol". That's not hard to guess either. Indeed, more than 10 pre-registered domains beginning with "aol".

Thanks George,I will follow upon it! At no time did any of the organizations ask for permission to use the images:mad:

I tried to warn people about the pre reging of .xxx shows support and a few other things I tried to point, but you all thought I was crazy...

And with the dirty tricks we have tried to play they have pointed out like auto posting and shit icann is prolly gonna go ahead and let this one go through....

I truelly hope not, but if they do it is our own fault, cheaters never win!

Get there asses...

i'm getting depressed again....

How desparate to have the need to disparage!


Fight the additional 15 minutes of fame!

If being high on life doesn't keep you going,
and making money doesn't keep you afloat...


...for everything else, there's xanax!


Fight the MC!

ICM's definition of the sponsored community:

ICM precisely defined the sponsored community for .xxx as a self-identified group of responsible adult webmasters with distinct needs and interests that differentiate them from the rest of the Internet community: Within the universe of adult websites, the .xxx community is composed only of
those webmasters who wish to work together to implement industry best practices in a specific, easily identifiable virtual marketplace, while providing a forum for interaction and cooperation with other community stakeholders affected by the adult-content industry. This type of selfidentified
community is nothing new. ICANN has already executed registry agreements with several applicants that defined their sponsored community in virtually identical terms, by reference to those who wished to make use of the sTLD. Moreover, the responsible business practices of this community already distinguishes its members from others in the adult webmaster industry.


cliff notes: the sponsored TLD community is anyone in Adult who wants .XXX

What would be quite ironic, is for ICANN to view all of those that send in their support for .XXX to see if they use ICRA or RTA labelling right now or in the past using archive.org.


Fight the irony!

just got to the footnote:

2 ICM recently reviewed websites operated by or affiliated with those who expressed support for .xxx, and compared them with a site operated by approximately fifty, randomly selected webmasters who have opposed .xxx. Though admittedly not scientific, the comparison is instructive: 93% of the sites operated by ICM supporters employ warning pages, age verification tools, and password-limited access. In comparison, less than 40% of the sites
operated by ICM opponents have such practices. Nearly 80% of the sites operated by ICM supporters have ICRA or other labels, compared to 20% of those operated by ICM opponents. These differences emphasize the distinct needs and interests of the adult content webmasters who
make up the sponsored community. (They also illustrate the tensions and transitions taking place within the industry, which are thoughtfully discussed in Dick Thornburgh and Herbert S. Lin, eds., Youth, Pornography and the Internet (CSTB 2002).)



"trust me" is all i hear.



Fight the independent, third-party, unbiased analysis!

No-one told me I was crazy, they simply ignored my posts, but I commented here a while back about the dubious wisdom of taking on ICANN with the style and language used here. A month ago I also wrote about how the lack of opposition to .XXX could reasonably be perceived by those outside the industry (eg ICANN board members) as tacit support.

We shall see how this works out, but if I were an outsider I can imagine being convinced by some of those statistics and declarations. I sometimes wonder if it wouldn't make more sense simply to allow whatever crap comes our way to arrive without comment. It often seems to me that the degree of lethargy is such that until the brown smelly stuff is up around our noses, nothing will dispel it.

then the spin would be, "see, they don't care or are concerned about the yyyy issue".

Fight the apathy!

"Some photos copyright fubarwebmasters are in those documents, e.g. page 22 of:

http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements...-memo-post.pdf

I wonder if ICM and/or ICANN licensed the rights to those images??"



When I first saw that photo and the ICM contention, my first thought was perhaps that photo was taken before the seminar was in full swing!

desperate ot not, someone needs to reply to their new claims again

For some reason, ICM registry has seen fit to include a letter I sent to Hendeles years ago. It's old news, and something I have dealt with openly with Lawley, my colleagues at FSC, my current employer and many other people since then.

You should write Dr Vin directly about this and let them know the sham they are trying to pull now.

really good letter :thumbsup

i love this little claim
even someone with only a first year statistics education the act of combining support .xxx - wish to register will result in an artifical inflation of support because people who don't support .xxx but wish to get information about registering domains for defensive purposes would have to choose that list.

especially given the fact that what you select will result in you getting different information.

on pg 22 it also states that "fewer than 100 webmasters participated", I was in the room and counted apx 150 people:2 cents:

at 150,000 dollars per infringement, if i was jfk i would pursue him to the fullest extent. no permission to use images means infringer.

Maybe this whole thread needs to be sent to ALL the ICANN officials by anyone-and-everyone who has direct email addresses, such as:

[email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected]

nothing against these adresses (don't know most of them) but you're missing the key email adresses of the ICANN board directors there

and personally I don't think sending this thread to ICANN will accomplish anything

IMO a few different people need to take a few hours of their time again to write some longer reply to ICANN regarding the claims and accusations of ICM presented in the newly published documents

EDIT: what sucks though is that ICM are reading this thread right now probably, so we can't really discuss our strategies public on GFY anymore,.... at least not everything....

After reading this and other opposition letters, I wonder if ICM thinks that ICANN is stupid and can be manipulated by the garbage in ICM's letters.

IMO, this opposition letter posted today to the ICANN site, is worth a read---I only hope that ICANN voting members also read it.

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg01619.html

Why wouldn't they? people that make stupid comments and suggestions should stop and think first.

I understand--can you post the other important ICANN Board Directors email addresses?

Concerning ICMs monitoring this forum, perhaps we need to hedge our comments about ICM with "In my opinion" and other First-Amendment shields?

????

This is retarded. They're just trying to extort some cash money.

As should everyone that has changed their position

first of all, that post is already almost one year old

second, it clearly has a :winkwink: next to it, which should be sufficient clarification that it was not serious

third, after all my fight against .xxx, now you suddenly suggest that i am stupid and want to blame me for some joke I made one year ago?

fourth, .... well there won't be any fourth, although there could be, since ICM may be reading this thread - so we have to keep that in mind when discussing certain things

We well understand, and sincerely appreciate your personal, unending and extremely strong and continuing efforts against .xxx and the very GRAVE dangers to the Adult Internet that I personally think will ensue unless ICANN sees through ICM and denies .xxx once and for all!!!!!

my email is in my sig, please e-mail me and I'll point you in the right direction

Personally I don't think the email adresses of ICANN CEO and Chairman should be posted here, considering they could be mis-used by some people.

I wasn't referring to potential legal consequences of the words you use when speaking about ICM, rather about the fact that basically we openly discuss everything here and then they monitor it and know our next step.

Just like in the movie that I watched yesterday where the bank robbers were listeting to the police which was surrounding the bank so they knew everything which was planned.

Another concern is that ICM apparently likes to twist words and put things out of context, like they did with quotes from FightThisPatent or myself... But I guess this should be taken care soon, some new detailed email to ICANN should explain the tactics ICM used...