Recruiting girls at shows.....
 

Rule number 1:

If the girl has a badge and you try to recruit her, you should be promptly kicked in the balls, ejected from the show, and banned from returning to the event in following years.

Rule number 2: Hotel staff and locals are always in season.





Back to rule number 1......

Either she's already a model or she's not content. Who the fuck are you to try to recruit a girl who is already involved with another company in any capacity?

Shooting a model is one thing..But I'm talking about trying to recruit a girl to "your team."

Your thoughts?

What about recruiting employees?

Curious...

your right

Kick them in the balls!

who cares, seems like a trivial thing.

You probably wouldn't be surprised how many offers Ariel Rebel got.

17?........

How many offers did you get? You're kinda purtay...

What gets me is that when she tells them she is there with you, they probably didn't stop there....They keep pushing.


It's not that they have big balls....It's that people are fuken stoopud.

I got propisitioned by RRRed after taking over for her when you were shitfaced. Aside from that, 3 for massage positions, and 2 to really really drunk girls that i would never even think of touching. :1orglaugh

Most played it safe and worded it hypothetically, but the intent was still obvious.

WTF? She proposed to you too?

That cheating bitch.

Note: BrettJ can get a mother fucker loopy REALLY fast.

Exactly... it happens all the time with employees, and it's not a bad thing.

Would people have to worry about models if they had them under contract?

Good thread... :thumbsup

Totally agree.

Absolutely totally agree with you on this.

Because 90% of the time models don't give a fuck about the contract.

Ask anyone who works with 18 and 19 year old girls that question and you'll usually get the same answer. :)

Well, haha... at risk of being attacked by one of said models, I think most would agree that typically they do not use sound logic and I can't see a contract holding one down.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You haven't learned to watch out for Brett yet?!

I tried to recruit Aaron. he was not pleased!

Now you know how I was how I was!

Worried? Who's worried? I'm just wondering what kind of inbred fuckers think they have a chance of pulling a girl who came to a porn convention with another company.

hey its not my fault you weren't wearing your badge, you were hot. get over it.

We had a quick chat about this during the karaoke and I completely agree with you.

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bACK OFF BITCH HE IS Under contract to me!!! :mad:

why shouldnt you try and recruit models from other companies, i mean business is business and trying to steal the other comapanies workforce is just something that happend in business, and i dont see why the world of the adult webmaster should be any different. im not a webmaster as yet nut i do have girls who work for me, and as far as im concernede if someone else tries to recruit them which has happened then as far as im concerned if the girl want to go then ill generally be glad to see the back of them cos i dont really wanna deal with ppl who have no loyalty. plus if your smart enuf to have ya girls under a contract you shouldnt have to worry bout this shit anyway

contracts are meaningless to girls - can't force a model to work for you who no longer wants to and you sure as hell aren't going to get a judge to stop her from working for somebody else. which makes taking models to shows a risky venture, i don't see much of an upside and i definitely have seen the downside.

I'll have to look for it again, but there's a paysite from a different program that's got ariel rebel all over it.

Aaron,


Think of the way the "model" views this....


1. I work for someone for $x
2. This other guy is talking to me, maybe he will give me $x + $y?
3. $x + $y > $x


I'm sure they don't mind the offers, either way, they know if they are popular at the shows they could always find a better deal.


As for the people who hunt the girls down to recruit them, well, some people in this business will do ANYTHING LEGAL for a buck. If recruiting your girls and making money like that is wrong(which I think it is, although, it's not like many people are in this business, or any business, to make friends over $$$), I guess you can either view them as shrewd businessmen, or assholes.


:2 cents:


p.s. I do agree with you, I just wanted to present you with viewpoints of the model and the recruiter

Unless a model is on a contract, she is fair game in many/most respects.

If you can pay her enough and convince her that she is at the event representing solely for you since you brought her to the dance, well isn't that quaint - consider it a bonus, but other than that, she is essentially a freelancer, and therefore permitted to exchange business cards and e-mail addys, especially on her own time (when she's not working your booth/event).

I've worked with so many models that I wish would work only for me, but I realize that unless I can afford to keep them under contract, I just have to accept that they will make money working for others too.

On the other hand, if a model has indicated she is under contract or otherwise not interested, let it go - there are plenty of models out there. Get your event pix and move along...

Good thread...obviously there is a diversity of opinion on this...

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It's the answers in threads like this that sure let ya know who you want to sit down, have a drink, and talk about biz with, and who you shake their hand, and move on.

I know what those dots mean :)

I don't think this kind of stuff should go on, but everyone knows it does.

Okay, let's spin this around...

Say a program sponsors a photographer or affiliate to a show - you are saying that they are forbidden from conducting business under the same terms as models, if they are freelancers?

To me, if you are under contract, you are off-limits, if you are a freelancer, you are open game (with that said, I have never personally recruited "workers" at industry shows, since I already know how to find talent myself - what I look for at shows are b2b networking opportunities).

Sorry to break it to you, but that is how it is in mainstream too. It used to kill me training people for years about the intricacies of a business only to have them "stolen" away by a competitor, but that is what happens sometimes.

I appreciate loyalty as much as the next person, and always tried to instill it in my people (because I personally value loyalty, and am loyal to those I conduct business with consistently), but in a free market, I also understand the hard cold realities.

People are not property. If you do not hold them close, make them feel inexpendable (and reward them accordingly), or worse - lose touch with their wants and needs...they will walk.

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That`s true...Everybody knows what`s going on but no action,he?

Absolutely ridiculous.

Models aren't personal property. Like everyone else, they are trying to make a living and pay their bills.

If you have a model under an exclusive contract, that is one thing, but most of these models are not exclusive and are not being paid enough by one company to survive.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with approaching a model at a show, handing her your business card and telling her to call you if she wants to work.

I disagree. Contracts and Non-competes are two different things entirely.

If you have a girl under contract, you will certainly get a judge to uphold that contract if it is valid. While it is true that dealing with models is sometimes difficult in this regard, it would be even easier to get a judge to stop the other company from using that model if the contract is valid.

I point out "if the contract is valid" because I have seen some pretty pathetic contracts in the last 11 years. Many of them would not hold up in court because they were not written by a lawyer and have provisions that either would not hold up in court, or legally COULD NOT hold up in court.

As for non-competes, they are difficult to uphold unless they are narrowly defined in scope and time frame. I have seen non-competes that last for years, or indefinite, and these will never hold up.

Moral of the story, work with a lawyer and protect yourself.

well that's right...

I agree with you aaron

My thoughts...you are WAY off

If I lived by that rule Id never have shot the first scenes of Midori, Anna Malle, Melissa Hill, Anastasia Blue or Raylin...to name a few

LOL wow. Well, yeah recruiting the people working there, isn't a good idea!

i dont know what US law is like, but in the uk the simple fact is that any contract made that wasnt made during the course of illegal activities is enforcable by the courts, so in the uk they could force them to continue working for ya, but what would most likely happen is that they would simply force the girl to pay damages as a result of breaking the contract.

Well said. :thumbsup

The funny thing to me is that most people seem to think this is about stealing models but the specific person that prompted this thread is not, never has been, and never will be a model.

I stopped taking models to shows a long time ago. Not because I was afraid of them being "stolen" from me but because when people find out they are model, all of a sudden they get treated like hookers.

No matter how you spin it, recruiting from within the industry is dumb and can only cause problems. :2 cents:

As usual, you are clueless to the point of the thread.

Yes, there is something wrong with it. It's disrespectful and shady. If a model contacts you and is seeking a better deal, that's different but I'm talking about the assholes like you who approach random girls at shows.

NOTE TO SELF: Never do business with JMM or any companies in his sig.

So lets see. You know nothing about me yet I am an asshole who approaches random girls at shows now?

For the record, I have never approached a girl at a show, but thanks for your keen business insight. Now, would you like to retract that statement or are you going to stand by it and look foolish?

Am I to assume that every girl you have ever approached to model was not, at the time, doing any modeling for anyone else?

I was not referring to girls with solo sites who are under contract with another company. In that regard, I agree with you. However, MOST of the models at shows are just models and not under any type of exclusive or even semi-exclusive contract with anyone so there is NOTHING WRONG with handing them your business card. If you truly cared about any of the girls you shoot, you would want them to be successful in their careers.

Oh, and since we are making brilliant business decisions based on a couple of lines posted on a message board, I send THOUSANDS of dollars in joins to teenrevenue. I guess I should stop doing that now.

NOTE TO SELF: Cut Aaron M some slack because you know that he is smarter than his last post.

Who?

How many of those girls did you recruit from shows after they told you they were already with a different company?


How many of those girls were not models and were attending a show with their boyfriend/husband who is in the industry?

How many of those girls were affiliate reps of adult companies who told they were not interested and yet you still pursued them?

My guess is ZERO and that's who MOIST of the girls at shows are. They are wives, reps, girlfriends of other attendees. People who you are there to meet and potentially do business with. You have ZERO chance of recruiting 99.9% of these girls but more than 50% chance of offending and/or pissing off somebody by doing it.

It's a bad business practice and anybody who thinks otherwise needs to have their head examined.

It is according to Mike South. You may want to keep that in mind if you ever consider doing business with him. :2 cents:

There is a difference between handing a girl a business card and stalking them. On the latter point, I agree with you. No means no. Many of the girls at shows are models. I would think that most who aren't would find it flattering to be asked. At the AVN shows for example, there are over 100 models on the floor, or at least there used to be.

In the future, you might want to count to 10 and take a deep breath before you post. I am the one guy in this industry who has put his money where his mouth is when it comes to the rights of models. I actually made a law protecting models.