Pro gun freaks - why don't you realize a few things like:
 

You have a huge gun (crime) problem and many other countries dont have that problem. Why is that you think? Could it have anything to do with your country being flooded with guns?

Why dont you realize that the more guns there are in general the more dangerous it is and the bigger the problem gets.

Why dont you realize that it is statistically proven that its more likely accidents will (and do) happen with guns in houses which are there for "self protection" than that those same guns actually are used for self protection.

The moment a gun is available there is an extra risk of something bad thats gonna happen with it. A risk that wasnt there before. Why do you people fail to see that? Can someone explain that to me?

Thank you :thumbsup

Exactly, well said:thumbsup

when are you going to realize that as a population grows, so do the statistics?

Ask the Austrailians how gun control has worked for them :2 cents:

Talking about stats:

Look at this. Outdated but i think the results arent that much different now for some reason :)

Firearms Death Rate (per 100,000, age adjusted) for Selected Countries in one year between 1990 and 1995 (Krug, Powell and Dahlberg, 1998)

http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...NS/GUNSTAT.gif

Lets find a good explanation for this. Maybe, just maybe, could it be because America has a huge gun problem? Or is that just crazy thinking based on myths?

Because if there were no guns some big thugs might try to do a home invasion on my wife and children while I am out of town.

I feel safer knowing that my loved ones are able to protect themselves and make it an even playing field.

Even when I am home I feel safer. If the dog barks or the alarm goes off I am ready.

Criminals are gonna get guns. They don't care about any laws let alone gun control laws.

The bad guys will be armed no matter what!

With that said..let's even the playing field and make them accessible to any responsible citizen that wants to own and carry one.

Any non-felon can get a permit to carry a handgun in my state and I'm all for it.

Franck.. the joke that keeps on giving..

Handgun crime 'up' despite ban
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm

Same thing happened in Australia...

In one survey, 10% of families admitted to having unlocked and loaded firearms within easy reach of children (Patterson and Smith, 1987). Another study showed that two-thirds of accidental firearms injuries occured in the home, and one-third involved children under 15. 45% were self-inflicted, and 16% occurred when children were playing with guns. (Morrow and Hudson, 1986) A study from 1991-2000 showed that twice as many people died from unintentional firearm injuries in states in the U.S. where firearm owners were more likely to store their firearms loaded. (Miller, et al, 2005)

Keep in mind: All these people, if you asked them, would say they are RESPONSIBLE gun owners and bought their gun for self protection. I wonder from all those people actually ever needed them for self protection. The damage those guns did is way more than any burglar wouldve done in that same period.

Imbecile, im not saying ban guns because obviously its too late. America is flooded with guns and banning guns now wont make much sense. Im just saying America is fucked already and there is no way back. The problem will only get bigger and bigger. In 200 years from now 99% of you idiots will carry guns and people will shoot eachother for farting in public. Go ahead though, i dont care. Its your culture right. The culture of *cough cough* freedom. Look what it got you. Scared people who buy guns like its candy and let their kids blow their brains out.

when are you going to realize that the guns are going no where... weather it's america or mexico... or mexicali for that matter... California has had the most strict laws on guns in america now tell me about LA's crime rate and if a little faggot looking white boy like you would like to walk through watts at say around 2 am with no GUN hahah you'd be another dead STUPID white boy...

now this may come as a suprise but we need a form of gun control here such as training.. and profecencey tests.. with quatrerly retests or something along those lines... but you can't take the guns out of the citizens hands who want to properly carry them.. you can say what yuo want about me dood you don't know me personally at all.. yes I carry one of my hand guns on me at all times.. am I a redneck? no dood I was born and raised in Las Vegas I am a city boy.... I have ever pulled my gun as a citizen... well 3 times in the 7 years I have carried ccw... time number one... a robery attempt during an interview at a girls house.. (yes belive it or not some criminals think that because were in porn and own porn companies that we have 1000's in cash on us at all times)

time number 2

a guy at a gas station in broad daylight was going to try and stab me because I told him to leave a girl alone ( you know the guys in the white van that want to seel you home theater systems) yeah one of those guys...

then a 3rd time when I was driving here in vegas.. have yuo drivin here? no one knows how to drive... well a guy thought that because I had to jump in front of him on the road that it was his civil duty to come at my car with a tire iron mistake...

now thats 3 situations where legally I could have shot the bad guy dead... out of those 3 situations I have fired 1 round at a bad guy striking him in the stomach then stopping the threat....

why did I not shoot the other 2 guys... because the threat was stoped once they met resistance.. which 6times out of 10 thats what will happen when a bad guy meets resistance... so I agree with you.. there are some gun toting assholes that are waiting to shoot someone over property even like breaking into your car..which in some states thast still legall.. here in nevada it's not but you have to know when you life is in danger and when the threat has been stopped...

so just because I carry a gun and I am a firm advocate for proper gun ownership.. there most def not for everyone.... unless you can train and train well

Don't you guys know its high fructose corn syrup thats the real enemy not guns. Just say no to sugar replacements.

I am right now sitting in a fire arms free country. I am in Mexico, and you know what. I can go to the street corner, and buy a gun faster here, that I can in the US. Where they are legal.

More crimes here are done with a firearm than in the us.
Here 9 out of 10 burglaries are with a firearm, and 11 out of 10 murders are with a gun.

Guns are fun

I want to shoot you

Thats fucked up. The average person here wouldnt be able to find a gun anywhere.

The Chimps wouldn't allow it. :2 cents:

Do you really think i care about the idiot that shot himself while cleaning his gun or whatever other accidents your talking about ?

Lets ban cars also while we are at it many people die in cars they should be banned.

One last thing me and most gun owners really dont give a fuck what you or the other antigun people think. Dont like guns? Dont buy guns but dont expect gun owners to care WTF you want us to do.

I think you'll find they work out statistics based on 100 people, so %'s so that the number of people increasing does not affect the statistics.

The problem is not the ownership of guns but the irresponsible owners of guns.

You leave your gun loaded and unlocked so a kid can get his hands on it what do you expect to happen?

Wrong. If those guns werent in that house in the first place you wouldnt have the SECOND problem of irresponsible gun owners. No gun around = no problem. A gun around is the start of a problem.

As one pro gun poster here on the board said "we will take our gun deaths to live like men" sounds like a lot of them are living in the movies.

where are you at holland?



my buddy is from ireland... and another buddy from england and he's right... it's easier to get a gun in places where they are illlegal than it is where they are legal....

lol.. so you are admiting that criminals will always have access to guns, ban or not..? so then.. the more you have law abiding citizen owning a gun. the better... Kinda defeat the point you were trying to make no? Stats shows it.. gun crimes go up when only criminals get to have gun.. simple..

Your just jealous.

You were born being told you can't have one.

We were born to kill.

Blood makes the grass grow

Well maybe we could go back to using horse and buggy for transportaion, that way we would eliminate all car accidents involving drunk drivers.

you do know that more kids die int he bathtub each year in america than kids dying from finding guns around the house right? should we ban bathtubs now? have a showerfree country? what about kitchen knifes... little kid playing with akitchen knife while mommy looks away is a bad situation too man... it's the gun owners not the guns... like I said my guns are all over my house and they havent went off one time imiagne that... in fact I have never seen a gun misfire in my life... and I have handeled lots of guns.... the worst I have personally witnessed was a glock not ejecting the casing like it should and blowing up in the breach which resulted in injury to the hand.... now I have seen many many people shoot themselvs in the leg, the back, the stomach.. because they forget one thing... dont; put that finger on that trigger til you got your target in sight... dood we can go back and forth all day long.. your arguing a loose battle here... for as many reasons you have to not like guns we have that many reasons to like guns... you can't say for certian that if guns were gone there would be less crime... because you knw what criminals don't need weapons they already have one it's called the brain...

So why is America on top of those gun crime stats and not Holland for instance? Please explain that to me imbecile.

Please imbecile, this comment alone shows what we all know already.

Lets keep this thread for the few gun owners with 3 braincells or more. Not imbred white trash like you. No kindly fuck off down syndrome boy.

Imbecile, guns were made for 1 thing: Killing things. Cars are needed in our society. Guns are not. Its quite sad i have to explain this to you. Now go play with Danza, youve shown you are waaaaay too fucking simple to post in this thread.

I point out a fact to you and all you can respond is calling me an idiot and what not? you want to talk about braincells being below the charts... dood if your going to debate something on the boards then learn to be a man not a little sissy boy that all you can do is talk shit from behind your comp.... I hope to god you come to the xbiz show.. in fact I'll fly you out here... if mommy and daddy that you live with let you go that is.... Vegas is a pretty big city for a little kid like you dood....

Funny how you imbeciles keep coming up with excuses for guns and simply ignore this. What is this based on you imbeciles think? Please tell me why the US is on top and not another country?

I grew up in Texas, my Dad has enough guns to fight a small war, most of my neighbors do too, the owner of Target Masters in Dallas lives across from us. My dad, friends, family, and so on didn't lock up the guns, we didn't move the bullets from one place to another. What my parents did do is teach me the proper ways to use a gun, load, clean, handle, hunt and overall be safe and understand guns aren't toys. Being so I learned to hunt and survive on my own, which I 1000000% used in the Marines.


Since 'guns' seem to be killing people, we should get rid of all knives first, since more knives simply sit in a kitchen and are used for jackings, robbery, killings and by mistake, hurting yourself and maybe even another. At that we should quit driving cars since they kill more people than guns. While we are at it why don't we pad the world and take everything away so nobody can ever get hurt on anything.


And for the record.. 25ish other countries have a higher Murder rate than America. So lets see.. Over half of Americans own guns.. YET, less than 50% of the murders and violent crimes have a gun involved.

* Americans use firearms to defend themselves from criminals at least 764,000 times a year. -------> This figure is the lowest among a group of 9 nationwide surveys done by organizations including Gallup and the Los Angeles Times.

* In 1982, a survey of imprisoned criminals found that 34% of them had been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim. So owning a gun works, saving maybe 34% of the people.


And lets not forget this.. 'registered' firearms have a very very low, sometimes into single digits of 'gun crimes' per state.


Guns are not dangerous people.. Its the idiot holding the gun that is dangerous.

Yo down syndrome, please fuck off. This thread isnt for you. You are mentally very unstable and your families inbreeding has took its toll on you. Go away. Go clean your guns or something.

Firearms Death Rate (per 100,000, age adjusted) for Selected Countries in one year between 1990 and 1995 (Krug, Powell and Dahlberg, 1998)

http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/...NS/GUNSTAT.gif

Without guns you wouldnt have the problem you have now.

you cant argue with the point i just made so you then ask me a lame "gotcha" hypothetical question? lol Ask a sociologist, he'll tell you.. Lots of crazies in the land of Jerry Springer which has a population of 300 millions btw... Lots of guns in Canada.. how come so little crimes in comparison..?

I'll let you ponder over that oh wise one.. gotta go :thumbsup

Are you nuts? How can you compare a bath with a gun, a gun is designed to kill or hurt, and children dying in a bath is more to do with an adult looking after them.

I love how franck will never admit when he's wrong...


nice post Doc

I agree we had guns around the house from the time I can remember and never not one misfire.. imiagne that... maybe the fact is this


francks family and what ever country he is from are to stupid to know what "don't touch" means or know how to properly do something so in order to save that country from killing themselvs they had to make guns illlegal

So imbecile, it has nothing to do with the fact that America is flooded with guns and Holland isnt?

The entire United States had 16,692 murders in 2005. Think all 17k were killed with guns?

Obviously we have more inner cities than anywhere else.

Violent black and hispanic gangs jack the numbers up by having nightly shootings.

And no their guns arn't usually bought legally.

Yes, he is fucked up in his white trash brain. Seriously. Total wacko an a danger to society. A gun freak whos seen too many Rambo movies. He is always walking around with a gun in the hope to use it.

Without guns I would be ruled by a dictator, like other countries with no guns.

Funny how some of the countries in that graph with far lower stats have free access to guns as well. Maybe the statistics about the US have to do with something more than unfettered access to guns? Possibly, dare I say, the culture? Far from it to think that guns may simply be another enabler of the display of cultural imbalance, not as inherently dangerous to society.

Ok I'll go play with the other 100's of thousands of law abiding citizens that voted for the concealed carry gun law. Yeah, we're all imbeciles.

What you gonna do when somebody sticks a gun in your face? I know what I'm gonna do...

By your logic anything killing people need to be banned ?

Thousands of Kids die each year in the US because they drown in a swimming pools - By your logic the US needs to Ban the pools ?

Thousands of Americans die in auto accidents each year because they were in small cars - Ban small cars ?

Guns are "NOT" legal in Washington DC but they have thousands shot by guns every year. This is the same in Detroit, New York and many other cities
so have some fucked up law against guns isn't going to save anyone !

Find a way to disarm the crooks and make them turn in all their weapons and I'd be all for a complete ban.

:D

my guns don't kill anyone.... not unless the trigger is pulled... and for that you have to pull that trigger.... like I was saying parents are to blame not the guns.. I haev 2 kids lots of guns.. pit bull and a chow.. not one prob... I have a friend realy big into the church, you know like "grade a moral standing person" took a nap and her daughter put her newborn in the bath" well not going any further but the point I am making is there are lots of dangers around the house... and a gun was designed to inflict great bodily harm if death should so come out of that bodily harm then so be it.. but I don;t shoot to kill I shoot to stop the threat.. as should every gun onwer...

yes we take showers everyday and it does not hurt us.. but to a child that does not know that can kill them just like a gun just like a knife just like a dog just like a car just like drano under the sink hell after the radio station had the "hold your wee for wii" promo now we know that water can kill you... how bout that you can OD on water and DIE... there are lots of dangers in the world... are you one of those people who carries like hand gel in your pocket so you can clean your hands after each time you shake hands? do you worry alot? honestly you take more of a risk driving your kids to school everyday than you do of ever commin into a gunfight with anyone... does that stop you from driving? does that stop a sport like nascar? does it stop automobile makers from making faster cars? how about drinking? more people die each year from alcholol related deaths than will die in the next 10 years from guns in america... how about making alcholol illlegal around the world then?

Reminds me of a time that AaronM and I went to TJ. We were walking thru the shops getting asked by every owner you want this? You need that? Eventually, I started making stuff up.

I need a rebuild kit for a Lenkurt carburetor, I need a white fire hydrant . . . no one can help me (well, I did have one guy that did dig out his phone book to direct me to where I could get the fire hydrant). When I asked for a machine gun, the very first guy yelled down the alley to someone else that could help me.