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Lars + mouth = foot You whine and whine that poor AFF is getting all the attention and sure enough right when we have turned the spot light off of you and AFF ( see sexbankroll threads) you start posting and stiring shit up again. I would swear you do it for the attention, LOL and you call me a drama whore. jesus when will you learn to keep your mouth shut. You just totally put all of the attention back on yourself that was going to sexbankroll... good job dumbass. Take my advice, shut the fuck up.... and take some PR classes, when you talk i think you say the worst things possible. Someone call Andrew so he can take Lars' keyboard away before he sinks the company. |
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This is a good thread. Got some good info here good job will76.
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maybe thats cause Lars knows that there are a lot of webmasters out there that want to promote a sponsor that will allow them to do pretty much anything they want to get sales...so coming back into the spotlight gets those webmasters attention.
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I want to make sure everyone knows we pay out the biggest checks and nothing you can say or do will change that in fact we are once again raising payouts ! So everyone get ready cuzz MAY is going to be insaine with even bigger fatter checks for our affilaites, we are still the biggest and will remain so becaus we pay the biggest checks.
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your logic is 1+1=4 I think my equation is more accurate. Look Lars' posts here " zango zango zango zango zango zango " he is just putting more and more attention on himself so he can cry and say that everyone is picking on him, classic. :upsidedow |
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I think you could use some of that own advice. You single handedly are the one person who made everyone know about Zango. You may think this holy crusade your doing is good, but I bet you've recruited more webmasters to try Zango than anyone else ever has from GFY. WG |
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What was Will thinking? |
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I guess the question is which is greater : people who sign up or the people who drop them... |
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Why can't they just come out and say "Sorry, we fucked up. We're not doing it anymore."?
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I can guarantee you have done more damage by doing zango installs then I have done from educating people about it. how ironic the person who use to promote zango is calling me out and saying i am the one doing harm here. Some people need to get their heads out of their ass. |
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Using spyware is the same as making sick and killing your customers, in this case affiliates. |
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I hope that you are not accusing us of something. |
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So how many computers did you help infect, 1000, more than 10,000 ???? Did you even download the shit you were promoting to see how it worked or did you even really care ? You posted in a previous thread the only reason you stopped was because they didn't pay you. |
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Lars has a Top 100 website (in the world).
Translation: he can do whatever he fuck he wants. He can yank your chain day and night, he can smoke crack naked, or he can jerk off while listening to Helen Reddy albums. PR? Who gives a flying fuck? PR among online pornographers? Now you will make me laugh! He's got the world by the balls. |
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Now instead of being a parrot, why don't you back up what you are saying and refute my post 2 up where i replied to Wiredguy. Read explain why you agree so much with what wired guy is saying...... |
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You jumped in this thread to tell me I am doing more harm than good. When in fact you probably infected 1000's of PCs with zango. :upsidedow Then i defend what i am doing here with several reasons stating how I am doing more good than bad and you run like a little bitch. Why don't you come back and talk about this, or does one sentence comments and run, suit you better. |
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Will is using some pretty harsh language when it comes to Zango.
Last time I checked, they are an adware company not a spyware/malware company. They clearly lay out terms and what comes bundled with their shit, so in no way are they 'infecting' users. It is very easy to remove, and each popup window clearly identifies the ad is served with Zango and provides links to removal instructions. It currently conforms to all laws and requirements. They are running a brilliant operation and probably rolling in the dough. In no way are they 'stealing' your sales, as the user has consented to receiving relevant advertisements to their searching. Can't blame people for outsmarting the masses and reaping the rewards. |
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The New York Times dubbed this kind of software as stealware. There is plenty of evidence out there showing exactly what is happening, and has happened. Sure, they morph thier business model a little every time they get into hot water. http://www.benedelman.org/spyware/180-affiliates http://www.benedelman.org/news/070804-1.html If all their installs are so squeaky clean why did they just get fined by the FTC? Why were they advertising porn to kids they sucked in from a kids site(and even made the graphics especially for children)? A real stand up maneuver from a standup company. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072701620.html Why do they keep deleting relevant and factual information about them on Wikipedia? http://www.vitalsecurity.org/2007/04...on-part-5.html Why do they let the 'affiliate' that did the Myspace phishing continue pushing their scumware? http://www.vitalsecurity.org/2006/07...l-pushing.html To say that Zango / Seekmo / Hotbar / 180solutions / Metricsdirect software is easy to uninstall is almost true, depending on how and where you get it. But it certainly leaves a lot of artery clogging shit behind. If you don't think you are losing sales to this type of software... Even today you can lose a sale by Zango software popping up someones page that is identical to the page you just sent that surfer to. If that is not facilitating theft, what is? If a surfer is on AFF, why is there any reason to pop another full page of AFF, if not to steal that customer? Why aren't they a member of the BBB anymore? Here's a link that gives a few details among other information about this thiefware company. http://www.ghettowebmaster.com/zango...siness-bureau/ Will, All these people that give you shit about making this public appear to be irritated that you upped their cost per click to steal traffic, or made their cut of the pie that much smaller when doing installs, or both. Those are the only reasons anyone might bitch about exposing scammers and thieves. |
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Everyone should be focused more on the hackers who are actually infecting users instead of consenting users who install Zango. I hate Zango also, and in no way am I supporting them. However, they are playing within the rules and certainly had a unique idea which has made them rich. |
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If you pay more than anyone else why do you need to put up your payments? You are already the best place to send the traffic and there's little chance of someone sending it elsewhere. If on the other hand you are slipping then you do need to pay more to get more people to stay on to try your program. Just applying common sense to the discussion. "We pay more and better than anyone else, so going to increase payments For no reason other than we are nice guys." Make sense to anyone else? |
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I agree with you that it may be better to be cautious, and I do realize it does hurt affiliates quite often-- but zangocash is not nearly as bad as a lot of other programs that do direct cookie stuffing and realtime page modification of affiliate links and hijacking of SERPs, etc.
popups rob affiliates of money too, if you want to get technical-- they can overwrite a "legitimate" cookie, which means the legit site just lost their commissions. it's all a matter of degrees. nothing is absolute; what one webmaster considers ethical another may not. I do however believe that affiliates should be informed of the potential risks of using such a program and the fact that such programs may be hurting themselves and other webmasters. as a side note, plenty of people and / or companies settle a lawsuit when they've done nothing wrong... if you're innocent but you think the odds may not be in your favor or you don't want to risk it, it's quite common to settle. plenty of people sued by the RIAA did nothing wrong, yet settled because if they would have lost they could have faced much stiffer penalties. __________________they do not give you viruses. "spyware" and "adware" are not synonymous with "evil evil software." the alexa toolbar is spyware. as is the google toolbar. as is windows itself, actually. opera was adware. ad-supported-software. if you want to get technical, google itself is adware-- it's software delivered on a web platform that's supported by ads. all of these things lie on a continuum. zango isn't something I'd want on my PC, but it isn't nearly as bad as a lot of other things out there.zango does quite well with me. I use their videos on some of the media sites I own. I get an average of 1:5 click/install ratio for content syndication. For gateway installs I have about 1:25. It's nice income for me, about $3-4k/month. As long as you follow their rules and communicate well with your rep. you will get paid on time. I focus mainly on the model videos, they seem to do best for my demographics. |
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Giving out more to affiliates means you make less, if you get more traffic and more sign ups you can still maker less by paying out more. Unless there is a catch somewhere. Go get a calculator and work it out for yourself. Paying out 50% of $100 = $50 Paying out 55% of $110 = $49.50 Paying out 55% of $120 = $54 Paying out 60% of $120 = $48 Unless you massively increase the turnover you can lose more than you gain. Unless there are catches. Maybe getting lots of newbies to send traffic they never get paid on makes it profitable. Maybe your program works like that. |
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As I showed you the gains in sign ups have to rise a lot faster than the rise in payouts to just stay level. But if it's all about how much you payout you are dead right. Different scales of how we judge success. Wizzo is just here to give money away. And if you believe that you're stupid. Maybe he thinks you are stupid and that's why he's telling you this. He's not the tooth fairy and neither is AFF. The biggest guy is not always the guy who gives away the most. He can be trying to hold on to market share, trying to keep traffic from going elsewhere, trying to look like a good guy by paying out more. If you think AFF will do 3% more sign ups for every 1% more they pay out then good for you. I do not think it's that easy. |
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