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Anthony 05-31-2007 10:05 AM

The UFC's Next Light Heavyweight Champion - Video
 
Maurcio "Shogun" Rua

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15...2-saitama-city

Anthony 05-31-2007 10:07 AM

That first fight btw, is Shogun breaking Rampage's ribs with knees. :)

WarChild 05-31-2007 10:07 AM

Yup, Rua is the real deal.

Deej 05-31-2007 10:13 AM

Shogun is a mean one for sure!

Its seems to me though that the UFC is ran through some sort of "FCC" ya know what I mean.

Im mean i watch the UFC and its hard core malicious brawling...but then I watch pride or MMA or even the overseas whatever, they seem so much more rapid and intense. More skilled and deadly.

I mean take this guy here Shogun, You dont see mother fuckers flying heel stomping your face...

what im wondering is...are they allowed to and just dont? or are there more rules as far as eye gouging and face stomping goes in UFC?


Shogun will dominate

boneprone 05-31-2007 10:18 AM

These guys just keep getting more scarry...

Not just in UFC but in the local ranks...

Some of my cousins were training to make a comeback, but the locals now are fucking brutal.....

The BP4L has evolved to submission grappling tournies now rather than MMA cage fights.

Fucking scarry now days.

Brutal man. Just Brutal..

Anthony 05-31-2007 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej (Post 12519393)
Shogun is a mean one for sure!

Its seems to me though that the UFC is ran through some sort of "FCC" ya know what I mean.

Im mean i watch the UFC and its hard core malicious brawling...but then I watch pride or MMA or even the overseas whatever, they seem so much more rapid and intense. More skilled and deadly.

I mean take this guy here Shogun, You dont see mother fuckers flying heel stomping your face...

what im wondering is...are they allowed to and just dont? or are there more rules as far as eye gouging and face stomping goes in UFC?


Shogun will dominate

No stomps allowed in the UFC, or knees to the head on the ground.

CybermedAndy 05-31-2007 10:21 AM

Rua = legit world class badass

Deej 05-31-2007 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 12519429)
These guys just keep getting more scarry...

Not just in UFC but in the local ranks...

Some of my cousins were training to make a comeback, but the locals now are fucking brutal.....

The BP4L has evolved to submission grappling tournies now rather than MMA cage fights.

Fucking scarry now days.

Brutal man. Just Brutal..

That dude leben ( from portland), Ive seen two of his fights, Now mind i dont think he won either one, but that guy can take a hit... lots of them!!

That last fight he got his head ROCKED and he kept truckin... some of the best fighters cant take that abuse and keep going! They werent weavyweight or nothin, and VERY unskilled fighting compared to the higher ups....but you cant say the blows werent rockin his skull... hes a brut

boneprone 05-31-2007 10:21 AM

But we are making a comeback..

Us fat old married dudes have been training a lot back in the MMA school getting in shape and entering tournments..

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...HPIM1458-1.jpg

Exxxotica has gained some weight!

Deej 05-31-2007 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 12519438)
No stomps allowed in the UFC, or knees to the head on the ground.

ahh ok... yea see that looks a little too brutal...

his style is wicked though.... flying heel followed by a mean elbow and fist .4 seconds behind


a serious combo there

Anthony 05-31-2007 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 12519448)
But we are making a comeback..

Us fat old married dudes have been training a lot back in the MMA school getting in shape and entering tournments..

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...HPIM1458-1.jpg

You doing no gi now? I just had my first MMA fight almost 3 weeks ago. I lost, I didn't trust my BJJ and played too defensively. Got tagged hard.

boneprone 05-31-2007 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej (Post 12519444)
That dude leben ( from portland), Ive seen two of his fights, Now mind i dont think he won either one, but that guy can take a hit... lots of them!!

That last fight he got his head ROCKED and he kept truckin... some of the best fighters cant take that abuse and keep going! They werent weavyweight or nothin, and VERY unskilled fighting compared to the higher ups....but you cant say the blows werent rockin his skull... hes a brut



My cousin beat him when he was starting out... Via KNOCKOUT....

SxDx 05-31-2007 10:25 AM

MMA definitely got more interesting with the integration of the two largest organizations

Deej 05-31-2007 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 12519462)
My cousin beat him when he was starting out... Via KNOCKOUT....

thank your cousin for building up the layers of melatonin :thumbsup

Anthony 05-31-2007 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoneyBetsAndy (Post 12519441)
Rua = legit world class badass

"Shogun" Rua = #1 Ranked MMA LHW in the world

boneprone 05-31-2007 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 12519461)
You doing no gi now? I just had my first MMA fight almost 3 weeks ago. I lost, I didn't trust my BJJ and played too defensively. Got tagged hard.


Yep.. Im back into it.. Grappling submission only.. Its all my wife will let me do..

Ive been losing.....

But my youngest cousin Steve (exxxotica's brother) has been winning..

This Saturday is the regional championships.. He's in it!

The old sckool BP4L entourage will be there in full support!

Like the old days!

boneprone 05-31-2007 10:27 AM

Here he is training.

http://a303.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...84146302_l.jpg

He's a tough fucker. Like his brother used to be..

But we wont let him do cage shit.. Only grappling submission.

boneprone 05-31-2007 10:28 AM

We are getting too old... We have been getting our kids into it instead..

LOL..

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...806_105923.jpg


http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...906_173445.jpg


In two years Ill be taking my son to Rany Courier's school here in Portland.

boneprone 05-31-2007 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 12519461)
You doing no gi now? I just had my first MMA fight almost 3 weeks ago. I lost, I didn't trust my BJJ and played too defensively. Got tagged hard.

Be careful man..

Your weight class some of those fucks hit real hard...

I dont have it in me anymore to take hits like that.

But in your class those hits can be real real bad mang...

YOu should do what we do now. Do the Submission Grappling.

Its a pure form without the headblows.

NTSS 05-31-2007 10:38 AM

He will have to completely change his style of fighting to fight in the UFC. Alot of the stuff he does is not allowed in the UFC. i.e. strikes to the back of the head, knees to the head while down, head stumps etc.

Never the less he is a bad ass mofo with an iron chin!

nice vid!

Anthony 05-31-2007 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 12519492)
We are getting too old... We have been getting our kids into it instead..

LOL..

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...806_105923.jpg


http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...906_173445.jpg


In two years Ill be taking my son to Rany Courier's school here in Portland.

Nice. My kids have been doing BJJ now going on 2 years, I rolled with my son before my fight, and I can tell I won't be able to handle him in 2 years. He's 5'4" 140lbs now, at 12. His twin sister's nickname is "Armbar". :)

Vegas Ken 05-31-2007 10:41 AM

Randy Couture just opend a school here in Vegas with an awesome kids program.

Anthony 05-31-2007 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTSS (Post 12519529)
He will have to completely change his style of fighting to fight in the UFC. Alot of the stuff he does is not allowed in the UFC. i.e. strikes to the back of the head, knees to the head while down, head stumps etc.

Never the less he is a bad ass mofo with an iron chin!

nice vid!

But look at the main thing he's getting when fights in the UFC.

ELBOWS!!! :):):)

Muay Thai Fighter allowed to use elbows... Look what Kenny Florian did with 6 months training, imagine what the Chute Boxe boys are gonna do. :)

Anthony 05-31-2007 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas Ken (Post 12519543)
Randy Couture just opend a school here in Vegas with an awesome kids program.

Randy Coture and Bas Rutten's Legends Gym.

Heard nothing but awesome things about their new place.

boneprone 05-31-2007 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 12519531)
Nice. My kids have been doing BJJ now going on 2 years, I rolled with my son before my fight, and I can tell I won't be able to handle him in 2 years. He's 5'4" 140lbs now, at 12. His twin sister's nickname is "Armbar". :)


Damn! Thats awsome!!

Hey, whats going on here.. How come you Asians are so big??

You guys eat Barry Bonds Wheaties or something growing up?

Dwreck 05-31-2007 10:45 AM

Wow! Im impressed! Actually floored and excited at the same time! Nice to see a new breed a fighter!


Anthony whats the url of some of the best MMA sites, with videos, profiles, news and bio's?

I would love to know

boneprone 05-31-2007 10:46 AM

YEah Randy's school up here in Portland is the best. They win all the tournments..

MMA, Cage, Submission, you name it.

They are known as Team Quest. The BP4L of the local fighting network up here in the NW.

Digipimp 05-31-2007 10:47 AM

yes shogun is the truth, but technically speaking hendo will be champ before him

Digipimp 05-31-2007 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwreck (Post 12519577)
Wow! Im impressed! Actually floored and excited at the same time! Nice to see a new breed a fighter!


Anthony whats the url of some of the best MMA sites, with videos, profiles, news and bio's?

I would love to know

sherdog.com

Anthony 05-31-2007 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwreck (Post 12519577)
Wow! Im impressed! Actually floored and excited at the same time! Nice to see a new breed a fighter!


Anthony whats the url of some of the best MMA sites, with videos, profiles, news and bio's?

I would love to know

For General MMA, with fighter bio's, and great clips http://subfighter.com
For a crazy MMA board, the one and only underground http://mma.tv/tuf
ESPN's new MMA source http://sherdog.com

Drake 05-31-2007 10:49 AM

Yeah I've seen that clip before. Rua dominated. I almost felt sorry for Rampage because he just kept getting his ass handed to him painfully. It was like watching a big kid beat up a little kid.

As far as UFC and Pride, how did UFC manage to buy Pride? Isn't Pride the bigger and better network? Pride is better, more fierce, with more devastating fights.

Anthony 05-31-2007 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 12519570)
Damn! Thats awsome!!

Hey, whats going on here.. How come you Asians are so big??

You guys eat Barry Bonds Wheaties or something growing up?

It's gotta be enviroment and diet. I came over to the USA at 4, and I'm 6'1" 250lbs. So my boy is gonna be at least 6'4", and a monster.

Though they really can't be called Asians or Pacific Islanders anymore, they are half Puerto Rican. So Filiricans or Puertopinos. :)

Digipimp 05-31-2007 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike33 (Post 12519620)
Yeah I've seen that clip before. Rua dominated. I almost felt sorry for Rampage because he just kept getting his ass handed to him painfully. It was like watching a big kid beat up a little kid.

As far as UFC and Pride, how did UFC manage to buy Pride? Isn't Pride the bigger and better network? Pride is better, more fierce, with more devastating fights.

pride lost their major tv contract because of supposed connections with the yakuza and it hurt them financially. that in combination with fighting with this loser Ed Fishman in the US and they ended up giving in to a deal. the unfortunate part is pride always had better rules, and better fighters and when fertitas bought pride they talked about continuing it and so on, but it looks more like they're holding it out and letting it die in an effort to negotiate lower prices on contracts for fighters to fight in the ufc.

Anthony 05-31-2007 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 12519528)
Be careful man..

Your weight class some of those fucks hit real hard...

I dont have it in me anymore to take hits like that.

But in your class those hits can be real real bad mang...

YOu should do what we do now. Do the Submission Grappling.

Its a pure form without the headblows.

Hit me up on icq 21239908, I'll shoot you the video. I lost to GnP in the first round, I took about 15 to 20 shots to the back of the head.

Drake 05-31-2007 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 12519628)
It's gotta be enviroment and diet. I came over to the USA at 4, and I'm 6'1" 250lbs. So my boy is gonna be at least 6'4", and a monster.

Though they really can't be called Asians or Pacific Islanders anymore, they are half Puerto Rican. So Filiricans or Puertopinos. :)

It's true. 2nd generation Asians are big/tall in America. As a result, we're going to see more and more Asian athletes in American sports in the future. It's already happening in basketball and baseball. They're eating the same hormone injected sludge we are.

Doctor Dre 05-31-2007 12:00 PM

Yea he's considered to be the #1 205er in the world already by most publications now that Lidell has lost... The only thing missing arround his waist is a new belt :P

Doctor Dre 05-31-2007 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej (Post 12519393)
Shogun is a mean one for sure!

Its seems to me though that the UFC is ran through some sort of "FCC" ya know what I mean.

Im mean i watch the UFC and its hard core malicious brawling...but then I watch pride or MMA or even the overseas whatever, they seem so much more rapid and intense. More skilled and deadly.

I mean take this guy here Shogun, You dont see mother fuckers flying heel stomping your face...

what im wondering is...are they allowed to and just dont? or are there more rules as far as eye gouging and face stomping goes in UFC?


Shogun will dominate

Yes there used to be more forbidden moves in the UFC then in Pride FC. As for today, the UFC bought Pride FC and it will be unified rules (ufc rules everywhere). I will explain the rules difference in a couple minutes.
Another reason is that the Chute Box guys use a very unorthodox style of striking. They are like wild dogs (check his brother Ninja, Wanderlei Silva etc).

Andersen Silva is also an ex Chute Box guy.

The main difference between both orgs :
You cannot use elbows in pride (mostly because elbows create cuts and stopage)
You can use footstomps in pride
You can use knees to the head when 4 points are toutching the ground in pride (deadly in north south position)
You cannot slam someone on his head in the UFC

The UFC is currently trying to allow 4 points knees on the ground, but I doubt we'll ever see foot stumps or head slams ever allowed. The worst thing for the sport right now would be a death in the octogon since It'S becomming mainstream in the USA.

It was pretty much a concensus agaisn't the MMA hardcore fans and press that the Pride guys were overall much more skilled, but lately, with all the upsets in the octogon, it's giving UFC fans something to brag about... but the Hearings of this world couldn't do anything agaisn't guys like Big Nog and the other top pride guys. Time will tell who are the better fighters.

Doctor Dre 05-31-2007 12:09 PM

Fouls: [Top]
1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.

Doctor Dre 05-31-2007 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike33 (Post 12519620)
Yeah I've seen that clip before. Rua dominated. I almost felt sorry for Rampage because he just kept getting his ass handed to him painfully. It was like watching a big kid beat up a little kid.

As far as UFC and Pride, how did UFC manage to buy Pride? Isn't Pride the bigger and better network? Pride is better, more fierce, with more devastating fights.

Bad management from Dream Stage Ent... they got tied up to the Yakusa (or the other org) and lost their TV deal over there. Everything went down from there.

The UFC on the other hand, aren't paying their fighters that much and have been constantly selling over a million pay per view every event lately.

They are rumored to have bought pride for 70 mills.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digipimp (Post 12519633)
pride lost their major tv contract because of supposed connections with the yakuza and it hurt them financially. that in combination with fighting with this loser Ed Fishman in the US and they ended up giving in to a deal. the unfortunate part is pride always had better rules, and better fighters and when fertitas bought pride they talked about continuing it and so on, but it looks more like they're holding it out and letting it die in an effort to negotiate lower prices on contracts for fighters to fight in the ufc.

Actually they made the announcement a while ago but they OWN it since less then a week ago. They said in a press conference last week that they are not dropping the ball on pride (would be stupid, huge brand recognition in Japan).

The fightters they signed lately all have in their contracts that they can fight both in the UFC and Pride FC

Joe Harlot 05-31-2007 12:16 PM

I love watching UFC rather WWF its all scripted.

Kevsh 05-31-2007 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Harlot (Post 12520153)
I love watching UFC rather WWF its all scripted.

:Oh crap Huh?
WWF is not like UFC, it's not even in the ballpark.
One is fake wrestling, the other is real mixed-martial arts ...

It's like comparing a Jean-Claude Van Damme movie to a Kimbo Slice fight...

Nicky 05-31-2007 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Harlot (Post 12520153)
I love watching UFC rather WWF its all scripted.

lol yea those two really shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence :helpme

Drake 05-31-2007 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre (Post 12520141)
Bad management from Dream Stage Ent... they got tied up to the Yakusa (or the other org) and lost their TV deal over there. Everything went down from there.

The UFC on the other hand, aren't paying their fighters that much and have been constantly selling over a million pay per view every event lately.

They are rumored to have bought pride for 70 mills.

It seems to me UFC is growing rapidly but the payouts for the fighters isn't increasing propotionally, but I don't know for certain and it may be premature to pay higher. It amazes me how many of these guys just love to fight and are willing to get their heads bashed in for a couple grand. I hope the organizations begin having large pay days to get the best fighters out there and to develop the sport by encouraging future fighters to begin training and looking to make a name for themselves in this sport rather than sports on the decline like boxing.

Drake 05-31-2007 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre (Post 12520103)
The UFC is currently trying to allow 4 points knees on the ground, but I doubt we'll ever see foot stumps or head slams ever allowed. The worst thing for the sport right now would be a death in the octogon since It'S becomming mainstream in the USA.

It was pretty much a concensus agaisn't the MMA hardcore fans and press that the Pride guys were overall much more skilled, but lately, with all the upsets in the octogon, it's giving UFC fans something to brag about... but the Hearings of this world couldn't do anything agaisn't guys like Big Nog and the other top pride guys. Time will tell who are the better fighters.

You're right - they're taking it slowly because a death would severely hurt the sport that's still in its infancy. I think a time will come when it won't be as much of an issue, but it's far down the road.

Ramos 05-31-2007 12:45 PM

and I ran...I ran so far away.........

- great music.

Doctor Dre 05-31-2007 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike33 (Post 12520241)
It seems to me UFC is growing rapidly but the payouts for the fighters isn't increasing propotionally, but I don't know for certain and it may be premature to pay higher. It amazes me how many of these guys just love to fight and are willing to get their heads bashed in for a couple grand. I hope the organizations begin having large pay days to get the best fighters out there and to develop the sport by encouraging future fighters to begin training and looking to make a name for themselves in this sport rather than sports on the decline like boxing.

The org is cleaning a couple millions from live gate (4 mill last UFC) and 1 + million ppv buy (approx 28 mills clear after cable providers get paid).

They made more PPV sales then boxing or wrestling in the last year.

(Theses ammounts does not include bonuses, PPV cuts, profit sharing or whatever else).

MMAWeekly has obtained the fighter salary information for UFC 71, which took place on Saturday, May 26th in Las Vegas.

The following figures are based on the fighter salary information that the UFC is required by law to submit to the state athletic commissions, including the winners' bonuses. (Chuck Liddell and Quinton Jackson had flat salaries with no win bonuses.)

Although MMA fighters do not have collective bargaining or a union, the fighters' salaries are still public record, just as with every other major sport in the United States. Any undisclosed bonuses that the UFC also pays its fighters, but does not disclose to the athletic commissions (specifically, PPV bonuses for PPV main event fighters), are not included in the figures below. Also not reflected below are the taxes that the fighters have to pay.

In the listings below, "Main Event Fighters" are defined as fighters who compete in the main event of a show. "Main Card Fighters" are defined as fighters whose fights appear on the main card, but not in title fights or in the main event. "Preliminary Match Fighters" are defined as fighters whose matches take place before the live broadcast goes on the air, regardless of whether or not those matches end up airing on the PPV broadcast.

In addition, next to each fighter's name is the number of UFC fights that he has had, not counting fights that took place during Ultimate Fighter seasons because those fights are officially classified as exhibitions.


Title Match & Main Event Fighters

-Chuck Liddell: $500,000 (18th fight in UFC; lost to Quinton Jackson)

-Quinton Jackson: $225,000 (2nd fight in UFC after 17 fights in Pride; defeated Chuck Liddell)


Main Card Fighters

-Karo Parisyan: $32,000 (9th fight in UFC; defeated Josh Burkman)

-Ivan Salaverry: $17,500 (6th fight in UFC; lost to Terry Martin)

-Terry Martin: $12,000 (4th fight in UFC; defeated Ivan Salaverry)

-Kalib Starnes: $10,000 (3rd fight in UFC; defeated Chris Leben)

-Chris Leben: $10,000 (9th fight in UFC; lost to Kalib Starnes)

-Houston Alexander: $8,000 (1st fight in UFC; defeated Keith Jardine)

-Josh Burkman: $7,000 (6th fight in UFC; lost to Karo Parisyan)

-Keith Jardine: $7,000 (6th fight in UFC; lost to Houston Alexander)


Preliminary Match Fighters

-Din Thomas: $28,000 (7th fight in UFC; defeated Jeremy Stephens)

-Wilson Gouveia: $16,000 (4th fight in UFC; defeated Carmelo Marrero)

-Thiago Silva: $16,000 (1st fight in UFC; defeated James Irvin)

-Alan Belcher: $14,000 (4th fight in UFC; defeated Sean Salmon)

-James Irvin: $7,000 (5th fight in UFC; lost to Thiago Silva)

-Carmelo Marrero: $5,000 (3rd fight in UFC; lost to Wilson Gouveia)

-Sean Salmon: $3,000 (2nd fight in UFC; lost to Alan Belcher)

-Jeremy Stephens: $3,000 (1st fight in UFC; lost to Din Thomas)

Disclosed Fighter Payroll: $920,500

Anthony 05-31-2007 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike33 (Post 12520269)
You're right - they're taking it slowly because a death would severely hurt the sport that's still in its infancy. I think a time will come when it won't be as much of an issue, but it's far down the road.


Interesting info about how many boxers have died in the boxing ring.

Quote:

An editorial in The Spokesman-Review of Spokane, Washington, after the fight said nearly 900 boxers had died as a result of injuries in the ring since 1920.

"It is time to halt that tabulation," the newspaper said. "It is time to ban boxing, a sport in which death is the predictable outcome of athletic proficiency ... it is surprising that more boxers don't die.

Anthony 05-31-2007 01:21 PM

double post

WebTitan 05-31-2007 01:47 PM

wow...that guy has some devastating knee strikes...

TampaToker 05-31-2007 01:53 PM

Wow never see that guy fight before pretty impressive i must say :thumbsup


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