A good day to reflect that Bush has killed more Americans in a war.......
 

....that had nothing to do with 9/11, than Osama Bin Laden did ON 9/11.

Our President is a bigger terrorist to American citizens than the terrorists themselves.

Those are the facts and they are undisputable.

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George Bush is the worlds largest terrorist and that is undisputable.

Oh boy.... Here we go again.....

What is indisputable is your lack of insight.

I hate political posts on this forum. It gets ugly!

Your right and bin laden is still free, why do the right wingers not have a problem with that.

Feel free to enlighten us on yours....


You cannot argue my first post here, but feel free to make any and all excuses you can.

Bush is a genius.

It's still till this very day amazing to me that they cant find this fucking retard, simple fact is in my opinion they dont want to.

Its sad, he rather listened to his oil/conservative friends, instead of thinking a bit.
Imagine, how 0.5 trilions of dollars (which are the current direct costs of war and non-direct costs are estimated much higher then this), could made this world much safer, if it was dedicated to energy efficiency and savings. Even lesser costs of oil, would shut up all those guys like Chavez, Putin and Ahmadinezad. And US would be much wealthier (so we at EU too).

Yep.

It's a shame the way it went down.

So much American support - we were all on the bus - right until he took that Left turn into Iraq...

Those of us who cared to have a window seat (and so many people didn't) were like "umm... why are we going THIS way? The bad guys are THAT way..."

And it's been a disheartening matter ever since, imho.

Most politicians are heavily influenced by their oil/energy friends, and other huge "contributors" that have the $$. The level of influence tends to vary for the most part depending on the president....

but consider this. Bush IS the oil/energy friends.

Imagine the big "influences" suddenly becoming the ones with the actual power, to control as they see fit. Hell, they could jack up prices by 30-40 cents per gallon with virtually any excuse like say.... "regular maintenance."

And what would those oil/energy friends (who are now in power) like more than to control some of the largest sources of oil in the world?? What do you think they'd do to get it?

the one people in control are the ones who pay :2 cents:

yo... "we have all the guns and money" and no matter what the leader of the free world does he or she is going to be hated by a certain percentage.

Most people are influenced by MONEY. and thats what its all about.

agreed.......

There is a guy in Iraq that buries the unknown dead. Daily.

During Saddams reign he would bury about 40 people a month.

During the begining of the Iraq war he buried up to 2000 a month a couple months in a row, these days he buries about 60 Unknown dead a month.

Unknown dead being people whose bodies are not claimed or identifiable.

I am not going to dispute how retarded Bush is, that can easily be agreed on, however the Iraqi's are killing each other far more than Americans are killing them.

To this day I am still pissed about 911, I still do not think America has killed enough Islamic extremists, I think Iraq may have been a mistake but at the same time it has brought many Islamic extremists into Iraq where they are truly slaughtered.

Islamic Extremism is the problem and many extremists have gone to Iraq like flies to shit, our soldiers clear them out daily with ease. I for one am glad they are there killing them mother fuckers, and I do hope they keep killing them.

America has a kill ratio of about 200 to 1 if not more. That 200 to 1 figure is not civilian death, or innocent deaths. They are verified insurgent kills.

No war in the history of the world has had better ratio's with exception to possibly the Spartans 3 day battle with Xerxes.

Aren?t you the guy that used to work as a fluffer in gay movies? Why don?t you let smarter people discuss things like this?

LOL, kids...

Nobody hates George Bush and his failed policies more than I do, but today is the day to remember the innocent people killed in a senseless attack and grieve along with their survivors.

Dubya and his cronies will eventually pay for their leadership failures and illegal activities.

But anything would be better than Hillary in 08, she'll pull out the troops, let Iran take over Iraq and then cut off our oil supply. I figure we should finish the job we started so that the troops that died didn't do so for nothing!

Just a little fact that the press doesn't tell you
The military does keep a breakdown of deaths due to accidents, disease, or other non-combat reasons. In the 1980's this was usually around 2000 per year. In the 1990's, this number fell to under 1000 per year. Much of this was due to the fact that the total size of the military shrank when the Cold War ended.

http://fred08.com

How is Bush a terrorist? I mean, I know it's cool these days to bag on the president, but is he leading the troops that are there right now? Is he making the day to day decisions that are happening right now. Did make all those people join the military?

No.

The reason why so many US serviceman are being injured and killed over there is because their hands are tied. This could of easily been over and done with by now and all they would of had to do is give the commanding officers the ability to do what they know works. Even following the Geneva convention, this could of been done and over. If you think that I'm wrong, ask someone who was, or still is, over there. They'll tell you.

the way he said it is wrong but you cant dispute the facts

the other thing is, no army from democratic country is ever able to finish this job. But I agree that withdrawn in this situation would be really stupid, since Iran, Saudi Arabi, Turkey and in lesser extent Syria would come to Irak to protect their own interests = even bigger civil war then its now. Which would mean interruption of Iraq oil supply and really sky high oil prices. The only inteligent withdrawn is only possible by cooperation with these three countries.
Everyone, who read a book from T.Friedman about Lebanon civil war, (he got a Pullitzer price for it) knew how Iraq war will end up, before it started even.

Not again...

This video of Cheney from 1994ish saying that they couldn't go into Iraq cause they couldn't get out, really speaks volumes now....

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-...elated&search=


They knew the risks and decided to go in anyway. Even tho' Iraq had nothing to do with the war on Terror.

Dont know if anybody watched 9/11 Fahrenheit in the uk, It was a documentary on 9/11 and what suprised me is that Bush and his father has or did have business deals with the Bin Ladin Family in Saudi. Which Osama is from as he is Saudi Arabian and does not originate from Afganistan

The Bin Ladin family aren't all terrorists though. He doesn't even speak to his family last I heard.

Yes they have suposedly broken all links with him but from what the documentry was saying about bush, he is deff has a shady past with his military and his bussines ties with the Arab world before he became president due to his father, Was also suprised to see footage of the one of taliban leaders in America meeting his father, It kinda seems weird that your enemys were once all your freinds

The other thing that got me to, was when the first plane hit the tower, Bush was at a childrens school, One of his advisers or security guys walked in and wispered in Bushes ear about what has happend, so what does he do..he just carrys on sitting there with a kinda of puzzled look and starts reading a book to the children almost as if he did not know what to do, surely if something disastress is happening in a country and the president is in a classroom you dont just carry on sitting there..

Pigshit. As someone has already posted...you do not possess insight. The invasion of Iraq has everything to do with the war on "terror".

well spoken!

Yah with all hat technology and all that billions of dollars Bin Laden is laughing at them by hiding in mountains and riding on a donkey.
Wonder they didn't find him yet.
As far as Bush goes, I can't wait till he's out of office and out of possibly doing more damage to the American reputation worldwide.
Seems everyone worldwide felt sorry for the United Stated but after Bush's moves seems everyone hates the US now.

this thread could go on for a while...

Um, ok, so the administration has admitted there was no connection between Iraq and OBL. You must have some top secret information that the terrorist we call the president does not possess?

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I said that the invasion of Iraq has everything to do with the war on "terror". I did not say that there was a connection between OBL and Iraq...now did I?

You guys are all sheep and the NWO is your shepherd.

I think he took a right turn into iraq. :2 cents:

How many have died so far in the 2000's?

I can argue with it simply because I wholeheartedly believe9/11 was an inside job

ok, please explain how going into Iraq had anything to do with terrorism. Don't just say it did, please provide facts and only facts, no opinions please.

I'm sure we'll all be waiting a long time for your facts.

Fact...the invasion of Iraq is strategic geo positioning of our military forces in the global war against "terrorism"...but I do not feel the need to state any other facts...as I am tired of repeating myself to every ignorant person that asks me to. As I stated...someone stated that you do not have insight...which you do not. I do not care to have intercourse with someone like you...so you are dismissed.

Yeah, like I figured, all worthless opinion, no facts. You're posts are useless.

Here's a PDF file with the break down http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personne...eath_Rates.pdf

Without international support...

Without the WMD's in existence that rallied domestic support...

While magically having billions in assets *poof* in accounting SNAFU's...

Under the auspices of declaring war on a _word_. A word/concept that's existed since the dawn of language - the Romans called them "barbaraus" - and depends solely on one's point of view...


It pains me to realize that there are Americans who still think it was a good idea. They're entitled to it, of course... but it still makes me worry a bit about our future.

Our forefathers warned us to avoid foreign entanglements. Seems like we're the ones doing the entangling these days.

Well, just to play devil's advocate then....If you were in charge after 9/11, what would you of done different? Same exact situation, just replace Bush with D. What do you do?

QFT :disgust

is that not true with any relationship?

you could compre it to divorce.

everything moves in cycles.

we are just on a downward trend, it will rebound and we will all be inbed with osama soon enough

In my opinion, 1 of the things Bush should've done is go to congress and either legally declare war or better yet. get a letter of marquee and reprisal for Bounty Hunters to go after OBL... $1billion dollar bounty.. much cheaper than however many billions have been spent coming up empty-handed so far....then batten down the hatches with a more moderate temporary version of Homeland Security and look at making changes in American Foreign Policy that;s encouraging/empowering the terrorist networks.

That's a nonsensical question because I don't have the data that our president should have in front of him to design such courses of action.

However, hypothetically speaking - I can say that I certainly would have garnered international support before entering Iraq. Part of the reason the world dislikes us so much right now is because we snubbed them. We're supposed to be a leader in the international community and encouraging tolerance, but instead, we told everyone that we don't care what they think. We have the muscle - we'll do what we want.... and that's a philosophy that I feel could come around and bite us in the ass in another 20-40 years as China develops as a world power... when they'll have the muscle.

I also would have an answer for the American people in regards to the billions of dollars of assets that have simply vanished in Iraq since this whole thing started. The fact that our current administration hasn't really done that is both disheartening, and might lead the casual thinker to come to certain conclusions regarding it all.

I'd also try and raise the level of discussion on the matter in the American citizenry to one that's above that of buffoon status. "War on Terror" kills me every time I hear it. How can you ever defeat "terrorism?"


I mean, who the hell really knows what's going on, right? There are so many accusations and implications flying around it'd make anyone dizzy... and no one's saying anything. Billions of dollars unaccounted for, thousands of young men and women dead, and everyone's mouth is shut.

I guess the _big_ thing I woulda done different is running a much more open shop. Something a lot more unimpeachable than our current regime.

The president is supposed to answer to the American people regularly. The one we have now seems to take pleasure in flexing his power more than supporting congress and moving us along the path that our forefathers set... he doesn't seem to think that he's accountable to us - whether we voted for him or not.

And that bothers me... significantly.