War with Iraq
 

I was watching the news last night, the US is pushing the UN for action agaisnt Iraq. From what I understand the US doesnt have the approval of the UN just yet and even if they dont get it they will act reguardless. Anyone know exactly whats going on?

Hmmmmmm .... wait for next week's "Our Weekly Reader." It will be covered in detail.

You have it covered.

We really don't give a shit what the UN says anyway, do we?

I heard a little more was going on, like Britian was already drafting? And they already have the back of the US. If the UN disapproves of a war with Iraq what will they do if we attack anyways?

We run the UN for the most part anyways:winkwink:

Tony the PM has our back covered. We have been foward postioning troops for the past several weeks. Those in the Reserves have been extended for another year. Our aircraft have been bombing Iraq air defenses with more regularity. The removal of Sadam is already in motion. The UN may pass a resolution of condemnation but that is all they have the power to do.

Probably nothing. Yell like little girls. From what I remember, the UN has little to no enforcement of its policies. They can get Peace Keepers, nothing else. And since there's no enforcement, we end up with problems like we have right now.

Yes! Policies with no enforcement! Cool!

Well, where the planes are gonna take of from?

We have bases all over the world for days like this. Woohoo!

its a bad time for war

But, other than England nobody is supporting the attack at the moment. It is impossible to attack iraq just with the support of England. Having a base in somewhere does not mean shit if the country does not approve the attack.

Ah, fuck 'em. We'll launch missiles up their ass on the way over their air space.

I heard Russia plays a important role in this, if the UN disapproves, and Russia disapproves of war and we go ahead and act reguardless, I am wondering if we are going to start a war with Iraq and end up in a war agaisnt more. All those countries we already targeted because of the terroist organizations they contain. I am thinking that they are going to gang up on us. Its possible isnt it? Nobody expects it but it happens

If all else fails, Canada will come save us.

We have enough aircraft carriers to carry out the attacks without land bases, if it has to be that way. Our long range bombers can fly out of the US just as they did in Afghanistan. But we have several air bases much closer that belong to the US and England that can be used, and it appears that the Turks are going to allow us to use our airbases in their country. It would be helpful, but not neccessary, for other countries to provide assistance.

Was that a quote from bush?

:1orglaugh

Even though Turks hate Iraq more than any other nation in the world, it seems like there won't be any support.

The consequences of war are never 100% predictable, but we will deal with whatever consequences that may arise. Russia does not have the military capability to wage serious war, other than their nukes they are a third world nation now.

The real question is what will happen to the US if it attacks without UN approval? World opinion on US foreign policy is already very low, and acting against the UN isn't gonna help any.

Also, most of the current terrorist problems are a result of US foreign policy towards the middle east, so attacking Iraq will probably have the same effect as poking a hornets nest with a stick. The US might succeed at removing Sadam Hussein, but it also may result in more Sept. 11th type of terrorists attacks. And if that happened, the UN would be sitting there just waiting to say "we told you not to go into Iraq, now look what happened."

LMAO.... haha

Actually they launch from Qatar, Kuiat, and 4 or 5 carriers in the Gulf.

Saddam has ignored 16 Un Resoulutions since the 91 cease fire that kept him in power.

He attacked Iran in the 80', Kuiat in the 90', and has gased his own people many times. He is a clear and present danger to the world.

The Iraqi People would also be MUCH better off. If you don't think this is so, you just aren't paying any attention to the situation at hand!

With or without UN approval those that hate the US will still hate the US.

Its alright for people to hate the US, but people should realize that attacking Iraq might result in another Sept. 11th type of attack. They shouldn't think that attacking Iraq would have zero consequences for the future.

They will always hate us, but war is what brings it out, everybody will back everybody. That how the world wars happened isnt it?

To put it a different way then those that would attack us will attack us with or without UN approval. The US will deal with whatever takes place if and when it takes place. Are we going to experience more attacks upon the mainland or assest around the world, more than likely we will. Will these attacks curtail the US from persuring what it considers to be in its best interests, no.

Is iraq the only country in the world that is ignoring UN resoulutions?

There will not be any Third World War fought over Iraq, period. We may not have as many countries on our side as we would like to have, but no country on the Earth will assist Iraq, other than by verbally condemning the US.

Yea there is no doubt the world would be better off without Sadam in power in Iraq. The US is using those violations to push a war through the UN. But <b>if</b> the UN doesnt approve and we strike reguardless that gives a reason for other countries to jump in.
We all know the true reason we want war with Iraq is that they are after a nucleur trigger. And sadam would pull it.
Iraq is in tight trade with Russia I believe, wouldnt surprise me if they didnt already have nukes

By far yes.

The only probably not.

Most dangerous: YES

No, and his violating the UN resolutions, or not, is not his problem. His problem is, he has made himself an enemy of the US so he in effect has chosen to committ suicide. End of story.

I am little drunk but it seems clear to me that its a good thing that alot of us are in this business and not in the National Defense business ;o)

Today, or Yesterday eitherway,

Russia, and China has publicly stated that Iraq either adhears to the UN Mandate, or suffer the aftermath.

He has to go, why anyone would doubt that is very strange.

As far as terrorism and terrorist. Simple find them and kill them. They need to be hunted worldwide, yesterday we caught another one in Pakastan. One by one, find them and kill them.

If we do nothing, they will try to hit us.

If we go after them, they will try to hit us.

Which would you prefer?

Yeah -- then I couldn't work in the nude.

Exactly why we are pushing war with Iraq, They are after nukes and would most likely use them if they had them.
I cant help to wonder what exactly would Sadam use them on?
Sadams goverment is whacked.
We will all know in a couple, few weeks whats going down

First off I don't look for or want war.

However, if Saddam gets weapons of mass destruction he could give them to a terrorist regime and use them in the US. That is unacceptible to me.

It may be a stretch, it may not be. But that coupled together with the betterment of the Iraqi People and the World. It really is a no brainer!! He's got to go! Won't be hard either!

A beautiful statement. Thanks for the smile Chris.

The worrisome thing about Russia is that if the US attacks Iraq on its own, Russia will probably take advantage and attack Chechen rebel bases in Georgia again. That would cause major escalation in the region.

Getting kicked off the UN's Human Rights Council doesn't fall into the category of running the UN.

Worst thing I can think of if US attacks without UN approval is UN won't help if US starts getting their ass kicked (see: Battle of Mogadishu).

How about we take Washington, DC by force? :BangBang: Oh wait, shouldn't have said that, too late to take it back, federales have already probably classified me as part of the AXIS OF EEEEVIL.

We will go on with or without the UN.

KD

I thin Iraq is a good start, but it shouldn't stop there

England DOESN'T support you.

Tony Blair does, but he's just a twat.

70%+ of the UK population are against an invasion of Iraq. Even more if we don't have UN support.

Interesting jammy boy, relaxing today right? No work? Oh it's saturday OK.

The United States does not need the "permission" of the United Nations before attacking another country. The United Nations entire purpose is have a forum where countries can settle their differences before dropping bombs on each other. No one seems to talk about this, but the Iraq is in violation of a number of UN resolutions and the UN seems to care less about it.

Iraw was defeated during the Gulf War by the United States, and there was a number of defined conditions put into place during the surrender of Iraq.

One of these conditions is that Iraw allow UN weapons inspectors into Iraw to confirm that all weapons of mass destruction have been eliminated, and that these inpectors remain in place until the UN (read: US) is happy that these conditions have bee meet.

Another one of these conditions was the no fly zones in Iraq. These have been put into place to protect the Kurds from the Iraqi military, who tends to gas the Kurds when they have nothing better to do. Also, these no fly zones also protect Kuwait from further attack. These no fly zones are not open to discussion; They are part of the surrender terms. Yet Iraq is free to launch missles at the planes on patrol in these no fly zones.

This is Germany and WWI and WW2 all over again. Germany was defeated and terms of surrender included that Germany could not re-arm itself; Hilter did what ever he wanted which resulted in WW2.

There may not be much support for a US attack, but no one is going to stand up to the US.