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You Know What I Wonder About With Regards to SegPay?
Why does a billing company that does business with the public by processing payments need whois privacy guard on the main domain that they use to do business with the public? Why would they not want you to know where they have their office if you whois'd them? Why would they not want you to have a phone number? Individuals might use such a service with the intent of keeping their personal information out of public reach. Thats understandable for a personal site or a site that doesn't solely exist for the purpose of facilitating financial transactions between people. But a billing company, is where they are located someone's personal information? What are they hiding?
alpha# clear alpha# whois segpay.com Whois Server Version 2.0 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: SEGPAY.COM Registrar: ENOM, INC. Whois Server: whois.enom.com Referral URL: http://www.enom.com Name Server: PDNS1.ULTRADNS.NET Name Server: PDNS2.ULTRADNS.NET Name Server: PDNS3.ULTRADNS.ORG Name Server: PDNS4.ULTRADNS.ORG Name Server: PDNS5.ULTRADNS.INFO Name Server: PDNS6.ULTRADNS.CO.UK Status: clientDeleteProhibited Status: clientTransferProhibited Updated Date: 20-dec-2007 Creation Date: 18-jan-2005 Expiration Date: 18-jan-2009 >>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:31:06 UTC <<< NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring registrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration. TERMS OF USE: You are not authorized to access or query our Whois database through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume and automated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or modify existing registrations; the Data in VeriSign Global Registry Services' ("VeriSign") Whois database is provided by VeriSign for information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a Whois query, you agree to abide by the following terms of use: You agree that you may use this Data only for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone, or facsimile; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to VeriSign (or its computer systems). The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign. You agree not to use electronic processes that are automated and high-volume to access or query the Whois database except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or modify existing registrations. VeriSign reserves the right to restrict your access to the Whois database in its sole discretion to ensure operational stability. VeriSign may restrict or terminate your access to the Whois database for failure to abide by these terms of use. VeriSign reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and Registrars. =-=-=-= Registration Service Provided By: Enom, Inc Contact: [email protected] Visit: www.enom.com Domain name: segpay.com Registrant Contact: Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc. Whois Agent ([email protected]) +1.4252740657 Fax: +1.4256960234 PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1 C/O segpay.com Bellevue, WA 98007 US Administrative Contact: Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc. Whois Agent ([email protected]) +1.4252740657 Fax: +1.4256960234 PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1 C/O segpay.com Bellevue, WA 98007 US Technical Contact: Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc. Whois Agent ([email protected]) +1.4252740657 Fax: +1.4256960234 PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1 C/O segpay.com Bellevue, WA 98007 US Status: Locked Name Servers: pdns1.ultradns.net pdns2.ultradns.net pdns3.ultradns.org pdns4.ultradns.org pdns5.ultradns.info pdns6.ultradns.co.uk Creation date: 18 Jan 2005 23:29:26 Expiration date: 18 Jan 2009 23:29:26 =-=-=-= The data in this whois database is provided to you for information purposes only, that is, to assist you in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. We make this information available "as is," and do not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a whois query, you agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this data to: (1) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that stress or load this whois database system providing you this information; or (2) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via direct mail, electronic mail, or by telephone. The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or other use of this data is expressly prohibited without prior written consent from us. We reserve the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by these terms. Version 6.3 4/3/2002 alpha# |
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Keith Kimmel, one of three men charged with the theft of more than $200,000 in Ameritech equipment this summer, identifies himself with Martin Luther King Jr. as he fights for consumer rights to low priced telecommunications services and free access to proprietary information about how devices work. Such ideas might be typical of people claiming to be "hackers." But Kimmel's parents suggest his alleged actions may be related to a psychiatric condition. Police arrested Keith Kimmel on July 29, along with two other Mishawaka men. Kimmel, who is president of the South Bend Hackers Club, was charged in July with two Class C felonies in connection with the break-ins.
--- "That's his name ShortFuse. The group was called South Bend Hackers Group/Club or something. I still have a folder somewhere with all his details.. Remember when he was causeing shit, so i did some "research" on him. I still have that filed away somewhere hahaha. It was actually a personality disorder, namely narccisstic personality disorder." --- Pathological narcissism occurs in a spectrum of severity [6]. In its more extreme forms, it is narcissistic personality disorder. NPD is considered to result from a person's belief that he or she is flawed in a way that makes the person fundamentally unacceptable to others [7]. This belief is held below the person’s conscious awareness; such a person would typically deny thinking such a thing, if questioned. In order to protect themselves against the intolerably painful rejection and isolation that (they imagine) would follow if others recognised their supposedly defective nature, such people make strong attempts to control others’ view of them and behaviour towards them. Psychologists commonly believe that pathological narcissism results from an impairment in the quality of the person’s relationship with their primary caregivers, usually their parents, in that the parents were unable to form a healthy, empathic attachment to them. This results in the child conceiving of themselves as unimportant and unconnected to others. The child typically comes to believe that he or she has some defect of personality which makes them unvalued and unwanted [6]. To the extent that people are pathologically narcissistic, they can be controlling, blaming, self-absorbed, intolerant of others’ views, unaware of others' needs and of the effects of their behavior on others, and insistent that others see them as they wish to be seen [4]. They may also demand certain behavior from their children because they see the children as extensions of themselves, and need the children to represent them in the world in ways that meet the parents’ emotional needs [8]. (For example, a narcissistic father who was a lawyer demanded that his son, who had always been treated as the "favorite" in the family, enter the legal profession as well. When the son chose another career, the father rejected and disparaged him.) These traits will lead overly narcissistic parents to be very intrusive in some ways, and entirely neglectful in others. The children are punished if they do not respond adequately to the parents’ needs. This punishment may take a variety of forms, including physical abuse, angry outbursts, blame, attempts to instill guilt, emotional withdrawal, and criticism. Whatever form it takes, the purpose of the punishment is to enforce compliance with the parents' narcissistic needs[8]. People who are overly narcissistic commonly feel rejected, humiliated and threatened when criticised. To protect themselves from these dangers, they often react with disdain, rage, and/or defiance to any slight criticism, real or imagined [9]. To avoid such situations, some narcissistic people withdraw socially and may feign modesty or humility. There is a broad spectrum of pathologically narcissistic personalities, styles, and reactions -- from the very mild, reactive and transient, to the severe and inflexible narcissistic personality disorder. Though individuals with NPD are often ambitious and capable, the inability to tolerate setbacks, disagreements or criticism, along with lack of empathy, make it difficult for such individuals to work cooperatively with others or to maintain long-term professional achievements [10]. With narcissistic personality disorder, the person's perceived fantastic grandiosity, often coupled with a hypomanic mood, is typically not commensurate with his or her real accomplishments. The exploitativeness, sense of entitlement, lack of empathy, disregard for others, and constant need for attention inherent in NPD, adversely affects interpersonal relationships. Individuals with NPD frequently select as mates, and engender in their children, "co-narcissism," which is a term coined to refer to a co-dependent personality style similar to co-alcoholism and co-dependency [8]. Co-narcissists organize themselves around the needs of others. They feel responsible for others, accept blame readily, are eager to please, defer to others’ opinions, and fear being considered selfish if they act assertively. |
The Freak Is Back!!!
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I think it's a valid question. Why would a billing company have domain privacy settings on their whois, you think if someone is going to be handling your money they would want to be a little more upfront and transparent with everything.
I guess i will just be a "hater" for asking the same question. |
why do you need whois protection on this domain http://www.terroristsupply.com ?
more on keith kimmel here http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=795095 |
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might as well get in here now:thumbsup
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I do not own terroristsupply.com now and have not for years. The "people" that own it now are park page spammers. Spammers are another class of people who need whois protection because if people could actually find them someone just might take it upon themselves to put their lights out for good as a public service. |
For all we know the name was originally purchased with someone's personal credit card while he was at home drunk like most of us have reserved names.
Who cares? Means nothing. |
I think you have a few screws loose but I'll have to concede that you do have a point. I always wonder about large companies that are not willing to list a corporate address... why is it so secret?
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http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=795095&page=2 what sort of a lunatic owns a domain called terrorist supplies? your parents must be so proud. :Oh crap you checked out wayback on it keith? you forgot robots text keith :Oh crap http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=795095 |
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Look at the posters nick name and see if hes a "Pimpin Bro" Look at his post count. Look at his signature. Scan the title. Reply. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh |
This is shady indeed.
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i think its a very valid question to be honest!
as a biller with thousands of peoples personal and credit card details on record, you shouldnt have anything to hide, let alone your address of business. |
Or, if we need a comparison, how many mainstream banks have whois guard on their domains.
I did a quick check of some well-known national banks: Registrant: Bank of America (DOM-1661276) 1201 Main Street TX1-609-12-15 Dallas TX 75202 US Domain Name: bankofamerica.com Registrar Name: Markmonitor.com Registrar Whois: whois.markmonitor.com Registrar Homepage: http://www.markmonitor.com Administrative Contact: Domain Admin (NIC-14308786) Bank of America 1201 Main Street TX1-609-12-15 Dallas TX 75202 US [email protected] +1.4692018544 Fax- +1.4692018308 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Host Master (NIC-1535660) Bank of America 2000 Clayton Rd. CA4-704-04-21 Concord CA 94520 US [email protected] +1.9256928812 Fax- +1.9256754905 Created on..............: 1998-Dec-27. Expires on..............: 2012-Dec-27. Record last updated on..: 2007-Aug-26 12:10:20. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.BANKOFAMERICA.COM NS3.BANKOFAMERICA.COM NS4.BANKOFAMERICA.COM Registrant: NATIONAL CITY CORPORATION 4100 West 150th Attn Joseph Wright CLEVELAND, OH 44122 US Domain Name: NATIONALCITY.COM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Promote your business to millions of viewers for only $1 a month Learn how you can get an Enhanced Business Listing here for your domain name. Learn more at http://www.NetworkSolutions.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Administrative Contact: Wright, Joseph [email protected] National City Corporation 1900 East 9th Street Cleveland, OH 44114 US 216-257-7839 fax: 216-257-7854 Technical Contact: Sumner, Jeff [email protected] National City Bank 4100 West 150th Cleveland, OH 44122 US +1216-257-7891 Record expires on 24-Aug-2016. Record created on 25-Aug-1995. Database last updated on 28-Dec-2007 07:35:02 EST. Domain servers in listed order: DNS01.NATIONAL-CITY.COM 161.150.129.253 DNS02.NATIONAL-CITY.COM 161.150.129.252 DNS03.NATIONALCITY.COM 161.150.197.252 Registrant: JPMorgan Chase & Co. (DOM-1444222) 201 North Walnut Street Mail Suite DE1-0175 Wilmington DE 19801 US Domain Name: chase.com Registrar Name: Markmonitor.com Registrar Whois: whois.markmonitor.com Registrar Homepage: http://www.markmonitor.com Administrative Contact: Domain Administrator (NIC-14460179) JPMorgan Chase & Co. 201 North Walnut Street Mail Suite DE1-0175 Wilmington DE 19801 US [email protected] +1.3022821773 Fax- +1.3022821660 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Domain Administrator (NIC-14460179) JPMorgan Chase & Co. 201 North Walnut Street Mail Suite DE1-0175 Wilmington DE 19801 US [email protected] +1.3022821773 Fax- +1.3022821660 Created on..............: 1995-Oct-11. Expires on..............: 2008-Oct-10. Record last updated on..: 2006-Dec-29 23:43:41. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.JPMORGANCHASE.COM NS2.JPMORGANCHASE.COM NS05.JPMORGANCHASE.COM NS06.JPMORGANCHASE.COM Registrant: Wells Fargo & Company (DOM-304416) 420 Montgomery St San Francisco CA 94104 US Domain Name: wellsfargo.com Registrar Name: Markmonitor.com Registrar Whois: whois.markmonitor.com Registrar Homepage: http://www.markmonitor.com Administrative Contact: Bill Richter (NIC-1468956) Wells Fargo & Company 201 N. Sunrise Ave. MAC A0701-022 Roseville CA 95661 US [email protected] +1.4158083158 Fax- - Technical Contact, Zone Contact: William Martin (NIC-1594502) Wells Fargo & Company 201 N. Sunrise Ave. MAC A0701-022 Roseville CA 95661 US [email protected] +1.4158083158 Fax- - Created on..............: 1993-Apr-28. Expires on..............: 2013-Apr-29. Record last updated on..: 2007-Jan-19 15:38:43. Domain servers in listed order: NSF.WELLSFARGO.COM NSG.WELLSFARGO.COM NSH.WELLSFARGO.COM Hmm, not really a widespread industry practice in the financial industry... now what might I be missing here? |
because the Segpay office had the same address as the Ibill office
there's a thread where that is adressed somewhere |
I don't like you Keith, but this is a very good question.
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btw - i still think you are an idiot :2 cents:
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Maybe they don't want some psychopathic loser coming to their office.
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Has anyone bothered to look at the Contact Us page?
http://segpay.com/contactus.asp Segregated Payments Ltd. Reg., Apollonos 26, P.C. 1514, Nicosia, Cyprus Contact Address: Segregated Payments Ltd. Reg., 3111 N. University Dr. Suite 705, Coral Springs, FL 33065, USA Doesn't sound like they are hiding too hard, if they have their addresses listed on a contact page. :disgust Idiots. |
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HELL , NO, much easier to create drama:2 cents: |
You are really asking for it you know.
You fail at life |
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read the post above - it might be interesting :2 cents: |
Lets see if we can play connect the dots:
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Toccata announces that it is launching a new subsidiary, SegPay. :warning:warning:warning:warning |
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are you really that stupid ? no one was saying they didn't post their location on the internet. This was about their whois, which I think questions what was going on at the time of the registration and what they wanted to hide. Apparently no one has bothered to update the whois info since then. I see no reason why they have to hide something now but at the time of the registration apparently they did, if not why else would they put whois privacy on it ?? |
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Maybe the simplest possibility is the answer and nothing was shady at all? My registrar puts whois privacy on automatically when you first register a domain whether you want it or not. If you want to listen to the ramblings of what some people are claiming is a thief with mental problems, then go ahead. |
They may able to redeem themselves with regards to NATS, but I don't think too many people will be touching TMM/SegPay as a result of all this. I was ready to get on board, but have canned that idea.
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if i may add: no company is really located on cyprus, it's always just postboxes
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no need to try to spin it, i don't give a shit who is asking the questions. Anyone can go to the whois and see for themselves that the domain never had an address or name attached to it. I am sure some bros will run in to say that it doesn't mean anything and they will try to spin it more. With all the ibill connections, ex ibill employees and how segpays parent company having had used the same address as ibill at one time, i think my questions are valid. |
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LINK with such recommendations as: "Out of Business: Force a Company, Business or Store to Close Its Doors For Good! by Dennis Fiery" Keith Kimmel says: "This is an exceptional book on grinding an ax with your least-favorite companies. Full of advice on starting rumors and much, much more." then perhaps it's time to start ignoring them. |
I wouldnt go near segpay with 10ft pole. If they were the only processor left, I would take checks and get a day job.
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I don't even know this Keith Kimmel character, but the Salem, err, GFY, Witch Trial is enough to turn my stomach and root for him. |
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I just quote what people have said 90% of the time, but i still get the absuse but no worries I am use to it. |
may be they dont want to show the real name of their owner. I dont blame them
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Good thread, onebit.
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who let this nut case out???
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maybe they are just little hiders. shame on them
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no shit? thats scary. |
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Not sure who owns that blog, but interesting to say the least. |
some group ready to fuck the whole adult business.(again!)
thanks god we found it early. thanks you minusonebit. |
Back up to the top. Still no change on their Whois, of course.
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Who cares what their whois says
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A response from Segpay would be interesting... although this one is probably going to get lost in the 50 other TMM threads that minusonebit has recently started.
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